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Chuck Austen Speaks!

 
  

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I'm Rick Jones, bitch
13:33 / 24.04.03
Some really horrible quotes in this about teenagers fucking in spandex.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:57 / 24.04.03
This guy occassionally has had glimpses of quality in his writing career but is really not very good. His latest Uncanny script is pretty weak, and this interview just makes him seem all the creepier. I don't know why he's become Marvel's 'go-to' guy.
 
 
CameronStewart
15:41 / 24.04.03
Hahaha at the topic abstract.

Don't forget that this guy came from doing porno comics.

(And Miracleman.)
 
 
The Photographer in Blowup
15:54 / 24.04.03
It's a bad day for Humanity, then.


Meanwhile, Juggernaut is on a trip to Canada, and has another run-in with Alpha Flight, only this one doesn't go too well.

"After that, Juggernaut has to face his past sins, and decide whether he wants to stand trial, really face the music and turn his life around, or whether he wants to go off and be what he's always been. A thug with a lot of power. He's represented by She-Hulk. He bares his soul to her and reveals at long last why he's lost some of his power, what pushed him to rock bottom and made him ready to come stay with Xavier, and she tries to help him see he's making the right decision to be a good guy.

"In the meantime, Cyttorak has chosen another representative as his avatar, and he comes to hunt Juggernaut down, destroy him, and to take the title of 'the one, true, Juggernaut.'


What does this have to do with the X-men and their quest for a better world for mutants and humans alike?

Why do these guys - Claremont, Casey and Austen - stray so far from the premise of the story?

Don't tell me it's because of lack of storylines - Morrison is writing new stories and still pushing forward the goal of the X-men: X-Corporation, made the school public, had the highly revolutionary of remembering it was a SCHOOL, and filled it with students, not just one Kitty Pride here or a Jubilee there.

So what's with the 'Cyttorak' and the whole mystical angle?


Then I brought back the romance and the sexual interplay because, for me, that was the thing that set this book apart from other Marvel books. Not only could you belong, but you could find love, and lust and sex with cute teenagers in tight fitting spandex!

Could you be a bigger pervert than that, Chuck you hound? So that's the appeal of X-Men after all.


Man, i can't wait for Morrison to end his run on New X-Men so i can put Marvel behind for good.
 
 
The Photographer in Blowup
15:56 / 24.04.03
Chuck did porn comics?

i think that covers some of the issues on his writing, then.


What titles did he write/drew?
 
 
Persephone
16:05 / 24.04.03
[rot]

Is it just me, or does "cuck" seem like the dirtiest word ever?

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Spatula Clarke
16:28 / 24.04.03
It's not just you, but I'm trying to figure out whether to use it best as a noun or a verb.
 
 
patrick
16:34 / 24.04.03
Don't forget that this guy came from doing porno comics.

This is wrong on so many levels...
 
 
The Photographer in Blowup
17:06 / 24.04.03
He does seem to have a thing over dominant/dominated characters.

He writes about a woman in love with a comatose man... in a rather disturbing, obsessive way.

And portrays another as a plain schyzo taken from killer Instinct.

He thinks he's being innovative using a gay character.

And he loves teens in spandex suits.

And he can't shut the hell up about child abuse, and how he had a tough relationship with his father.

He's creepy, that's all i'm saying.
 
 
Krug
17:39 / 24.04.03
'It's so much fun. Like reading comics when you were a kid, but more grown up.'

"Had I taken over from Chris at the height of his run, I would have been intimidated. But comics are a much smaller industry now, and almost a fetish industry at this point. Bendis once told me in response to his sudden rise in popularity: 'It's like being the hot guy on the bowling team. In the grand scheme of things, what does it matter to the rest of the world?'

"That's still my take. I failed at writing the X-Men? Okay. No one died, and a few thousand people disliked a story.

"I blew readers away with my latest X-Men? Okay. Thanks. I still have to scoop dog poop out of my back yard."

"I had wanted Alex as soon as they asked me to write the series. I always liked the character. But in particular, after I researched him, I liked that he was a 'step-parent' in Mutant X. I'm a step-father of two girls and it makes for an interesting dynamic, and a unique perspective. You learn to love them like your own, but they're not your own.

Man...does he talk shit or what.
I haven't read Uncanny since Casey's third and there's no reason to read it now.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
17:45 / 24.04.03
To be fair to Austen, the Cytorrak/Juggernaut stuff and all of this other obscure weird stuff has been with the characters for several decades now, and is a part of the X-Men, even if it is a distracting part that the franchise would be better off without.

He's definitely playing to a niche audience who feel alienated by the more thoughtful New X-Men and high adventure X-Treme X-Men comics - he's going for that "we're a family! a family! a FAMILY! A FAMILY! A FAMILY! (...and we all have crushes on each other...)" vibe that Claremont used to have in his 'character development' issues of Uncanny X-Men and New Mutants, which was also aped very frequently by Scott Lobdell in his better issues of X-Men and Generation X. It's all about playing to the reader's fantasy of a world where they can fit in with other people, and maybe make out with Husk. Or Iceman.

The problem is, Claremont and Lobdell had some degree of humanity in their writing, weren't so obviously creepy, and didn't write human interaction as though they've never had any in their life. It's not shocking to me that the people who seem to love Austen's Uncanny X-Men the most are the kind of Hero Realm-loving nerdy shut-in stereotype comic fans.

There's just something about it, you know? I'm kind of glad that I'm not the only person here with a morbid fascination with the Austen X-Men. It's begging to be torn apart and analyzed, and then handed over to the proper authorities.
 
 
The Photographer in Blowup
18:39 / 24.04.03
You learn to love them like your own, but they're not your own.

You couldn't get a better line from a serial killer.

Flux - i know Cyttorak has been in continuity for years, but that's not an excuse to bring it back.

Morrison brought the Shi'ar back (and i never liked it originally; never thought it played a role back in Claremont's days concerning the whole Human/mutant peaceful world - it was mindless filler) but this time they're relevant: they're being used by a psychotic psychic terrorist hellbent on destroying mutankind - way i see it, it's connected with the concept behind the X-men titles.

But in what way does the cyttorak stuff develop the cause of the X-men?

This is just the sort of thing that has plagued the X-Men titles for decades: they're drawn as these people that want to change the world, but what have they acomplished so far? What do they really do?

Nothing. No writer ever goes all the way with them: they sit around in their mansion and wait for Apocalypse/Sinister/Nanny/Mojo to strike... and that's it.

Everytime Marvel actually seems to try something new, they chicken out: i remember back during the whole Onslaught fiasco, how Victor Creed was running for President. What happened? Killed. A few years ago, Senator Kelly runs for President, and is shot too. Even DC has their own President now, and it made for some good new stories.

And now that Morrison has come aboard and finally made the X-Men more pro active, i expected others to see what they were missing all along, but everyone still goes after Claremont.
 
 
CameronStewart
19:34 / 24.04.03
>>>Chuck did porn comics?<<<

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Matthew Fluxington
19:38 / 24.04.03
(shudder)

He's so creeeeeeeeeeeeeeepy!
 
 
Spatula Clarke
19:39 / 24.04.03
Tasteful. I especially like the Joker's cameo appearance on that second cover.
 
 
The Photographer in Blowup
20:21 / 24.04.03
He should have stick to drawing comics, and let the writing to those who know.
 
 
Krug
02:30 / 25.04.03
You couldn't get a better line from a serial killer.


Hahahahahahhahahhhahhahha.

btw how do you put a sentence in bold here anyway?
 
 
Jack Denfeld
06:21 / 25.04.03
He did porno comics? What's that? Is that like comics about super-strippers or something?
 
 
Eskay Uno
07:03 / 25.04.03
So he did a couple of porno comics, so what? And how many of us have odd habits other folks think are creepy? Like reading comic books past the age of 12? Just 'cause he's not an amazing writer is no reason to get all Michael Jackson on his ass. Grow up y'all.
 
 
The Natural Way
09:34 / 25.04.03
'Cuck' isn't a patch on 'Skunt' or, even worse, 'Skunce'.
 
 
The Photographer in Blowup
10:13 / 25.04.03
I don't think the question here is that he did porn comics, Stone.

Austen owes this reaction to himself, for the silly stuff he says in his interviews, and for being an awful writer.

His talent is obvious in drawing, and he only got the writing gig out of a need to fill in Joe Casey, when no one else was available. He should have only stayed there enough time for a real pro to take over the task.

But because Uncanny X-Men is a comic book with a stable readership, his quality can't be quantified; whether he writes shit or not, it doesn't matter because the 100000 X-men fans will still be buying it despite the quality.

In any other book, if the quality begins to falter, it reflects on the sales, and something is done: a writer is changed; the comic is relaunched with a flashy number #1; or it's just cancelled. Well, Uncanny X-Men doesn't have to worry about that.

So Austen can just write his crappy storylines, that the sales won't drop.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:02 / 25.04.03
Somewhere out there is a writer who can make UNCANNY a really great book, the likes of which the pages of UNCANNY haven't seen in YEARS.

It isn't Chuck Austen.

Here's hoping Marvel finds that someone who can make this book really work soon.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
13:13 / 25.04.03
On the other hand, who cares? Why does Uncanny X-Men need to be a good comic? We've got New X-Men. Austen's Uncanny is clearly intended for another audience, and they should get their own X-Men too, right?
 
 
The Natural Way
13:41 / 25.04.03
Absolutely.
 
 
CameronStewart
14:38 / 25.04.03
>>>>So he did a couple of porno comics, so what?<<<

It just sheds some light on some of the things he says in interviews.

And for me - and I say again, for ME - it's a very rare occasion when porn comics are genuinely well-crafted and erotic (Manara comes to mind). For the most part I find them very sad, and I imagine those who draw them to be creepy, seedy little men.
 
 
penitentvandal
14:48 / 25.04.03
So - it basically is the Paedonaut epic, isn't it? Jee-zazz...

I'm also glad to know that Chuck's annoying, one-dimensional portrayal of Northstar is officially okay because he 'has gay friends'. Fuckin' straight white liberals, man...
 
 
Eskay Uno
17:16 / 25.04.03
A "Paedonaut"?!

Does anyone here actually KNOW Chuck Austen? A man is not what he says in an interview! I think all of us could easilly come off as silly and stupid and maybe even a little creepy if we got interviewed about something we are passionate about. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, people don't have to agree, but what's with the dismissive, judgemental, and insulting attitude? What are your standards? What is normal and acceptable?

Cameron, didn't you get some stupid flack for doing that Stripperella cover? I'm sure you balked at alot of those unjustified comments. But this is different, right?

I'm with Flux & Runce: Uncanny has a very different audience that really seems to dig it. Let them have it and let's keep enjoying New.
 
 
The Photographer in Blowup
17:41 / 25.04.03
But Uncanny X-men has a pretty easy to follow premise: human/mutant peaceful relationship.

Apart from Morrison, though, i don't think anyone before - and i'm including Claremont here - ever seemed interested in addressing the subject at all, but continue to write the same garbage for 30 years.

Now, i know no one has such a sophisticated writing as Morrison's, but this pseudo-babble rubbish about Polaris and Havok, and Juggernaut and Cyttorak, isn't taking the story anywhere. Even Claremont, who was always avoiding doing anything about the mutant/human conflict, still had impact on the story.

It's just like a novel: see all chapters and paragraphs - if there is something that if taken out wouldn't hurt the rest of the story, then it doesn't need to be there: it's mindless filler.

That's what i think Austen's stories are: the next writer can come along and tackle the same characters, and still ignore everything by Austen that no one will notice any gap.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
17:51 / 25.04.03
I really think you are wrong about Claremont. The guy wrote the book for over 15 years, and wrote a wide variety of stories - some of them were off-premise, but jeez can we just assume that was to keep things interesting for the reader and the writer alike?

Claremont built everything Grant's working with. When you say that he's being true to the premise of the series, you really mean "Grant is staying true to the spirit of the original Chris Claremont run, but with his own interests and tastes added to the mix."
 
 
ciarconn
18:01 / 25.04.03
An interesting sidenote.
I was reading UnXM 422, and there is an asiatic/american lawer surnamed Ishikawa...
Name rang a bell...
Probably ost of you do not remember those MC2 series by DeFalco... like J2 (the son of the Juggernaut).
Austen is followint the blueprints laid by DeFalco in those stories (J2), the Juggernaut eventually marries Miss Ishikawa, becomes a fulltime X Man, has a son, and gets left behind in other dimension.
He's just adding the/his emotional aspects of parent relatinsips and dominance.
I'll get flacked by this, but I do lie what he is doing, it's simple comics, with a lot of character development. Very emotional. Even if sometimes he does fall short (like with Polaris, though I suspect he'll eventually get to explain that).
 
 
The Photographer in Blowup
19:35 / 25.04.03
No, Flux, i mean Morrison is finally, after 30 years, making progress about the whole mutant/human relationship.

Certainly Morrison is using Claremont's continuity and character development - but in what way is he following Claremont's spirit?

His X-Men did nothing but sit in the mansion and wait for problems to reach them. I never believed for a second when he was writing the comic that the X-men were really into making a safer world for mutants.

All i saw were costumes freaks fighting Hellfire Club and Galactic Empires and the Brood, and thinking: 'This is all neat and fun, but what about making this a safer world for mutants? How are they gonna accomplish that fighting Empires and aliens? Isn't that why the Avengers and Fantastic Four are here for?'

I know Claremont needed material to work with, but must he stray so far from the X-men goals to tell stories?

Morrison is telling entertaining stories and still keeping faithful to the concept behind X-Men: he doesn't need to get into metaphysical babble about Collosus' sister in a Limbo with demons. He's actually finding material by exploring concepts connected to the X-men goals, that no one else before him explored.

Why didn't anyone else ever remember to fill the school with mutant students? It was a school after all - and it got us Beak and Angel, the Omega Gang, the Cuckoos.

Now that the X-Men have gone public, they're giving press conferences and showing the world what they're really about, instead of hiding in self-pity and doubts: they're a lot more positive and cheerful than before (perhaps because Grant got rid of Rogue) - and there are manifestations at the gates, and they're inviting humans to the school...

I don't see one idea Morrison owes to Claremont.
 
 
some guy
22:53 / 25.04.03
His X-Men did nothing but sit in the mansion and wait for problems to reach them.

...except for when they were pro-active, after the massacre.

I know Claremont needed material to work with, but must he stray so far from the X-men goals to tell stories?

Surely the "goal" of the series is entertainment? Claremont could have given us 15 years of God Loves, Man Kills or UXM 200, but what would be the point? The stories you mention aren't any more "off message" than the Imperial arc, after all. The other thing to remember is that Claremont's run was a constant evolution driven by character development - UXM 94 to around 250 is one massive story, not a collection of unrelated adventures.

Why didn't anyone else ever remember to fill the school with mutant students?

Er, The New Mutants?

I don't see one idea Morrison owes to Claremont.

That's interesting, because Morrison seems to think he owes Claremont a great deal...
 
 
The Falcon
03:55 / 26.04.03
Because he does.

In case it escaped anyone's notice, Morrison has also written Vampirella. Perhaps you want to cry about that.

I'm not even reading this interview. I don't care.
 
 
penitentvandal
10:25 / 26.04.03
Y'know, sometimes I think we give Austen something of a raw deal here. Some of his ideas are pretty much in line with stuff we've been saying: he put some human characters in the school, which we were all discussing about a year ago; and now, mere days after someone suggests using UXM as the intersection point between the X-Men and the rest of the Marvel U, we learn he's planning this storyline with She-Hulk in, for example.

In some ways my main problem with Austen is just his writing, which I don't think is good enough to match his ideas. He tends to overplay his hand and use too much exposition, rather than showing us stuff. Rereading the last issue, I found myself thinking about how other writers would play it. If Ennis was writing it, Juggernaut's line about hanging with the guys after the mission would have been a whole issue, and would have been much more emotionally satisfying. Grant would have used a lot more silence and genuine flirtatiousness in the exchanges between Alex and Lorna, and possibly Alex and Annie, too. But Chuck - for all his talk about how he has a feel for the characters - is much more plot-driven, a fact shown up by the ridiculous last two pages of the current issue. Alpha Flight? What, just like that? Shouldn't this have been foreshadowed? Don't they have procedures?

And why is there a member of Alpha Flight who looks like a midget gay clone?

I think this Juggernaut story - if handled well - is probably a better idea for the Austen, tho', because, much as you all want him to do Grant-like stories about the human/mutant thing, the fact is that if he did it would interfere too much with Grant's continuity. And I've always had a soft spot for the She-Hulk, so, y'know...

He needs a co-writer, though. Basically. Someone to bring something to the characterisation.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
12:54 / 26.04.03
Deus Ex, you really need to go back and reread Claremont's old stuff. You sound as though you are buying into Grant's press hype in the worst way. Are you his agent?


Certainly Morrison is using Claremont's continuity and character development - but in what way is he following Claremont's spirit?

The soap opera stuff, the structure of the storylines (one story jumps into the next one, dangling plotlines that get resolved a year or so later), the characterization, interests in similar themes.

His X-Men did nothing but sit in the mansion and wait for problems to reach them.

Say what? Cassandra Nova. The U-Men. The Imperial Guard. The Riot. The Phoenix. All of the major stories in NXM so far have come to the X-Men at their home, and the one storyline that can be considered vaguely "proactive" was mostly about them stumbling upon Fantomex and Weapon XIII. Nothing has changed. The X-Men attract trouble, problems come to them. Ideally, they are not vigilantes, so that makes perfect sense.

I never believed for a second when he was writing the comic that the X-men were really into making a safer world for mutants.

The subtext is the same - they are working to make the world safe, but there isn't much they can do. They do what they can, like anyone else. This isn't the Authority, the X-Men aren't fascists or terrorists. They have their school, they do their superhero thing. That's a lot.

All i saw were costumes freaks fighting Hellfire Club and Galactic Empires and the Brood, and thinking: 'This is all neat and fun, but what about making this a safer world for mutants? How are they gonna accomplish that fighting Empires and aliens? Isn't that why the Avengers and Fantastic Four are here for?'

Yeah, but they were there. It sounds silly to argue this, but let's pretend this is real - why would the X-Men, who are supposed to be good upstanding people say "ah, that's not our jurisdiction. We only care about mutant stuff. Tough luck." One of the points that Claremont is very fond of is that even though the X-Men are mutants, that doesn't make them different from humans or other non-mutant superheroes. They are good people, and will do anything to help anyone if they can.

I know Claremont needed material to work with, but must he stray so far from the X-men goals to tell stories?

Well, it does add some realism in a way. You can have a set of established goals, but other things are going to come up.

Morrison is telling entertaining stories and still keeping faithful to the concept behind X-Men: he doesn't need to get into metaphysical babble about Collosus' sister in a Limbo with demons. He's actually finding material by exploring concepts connected to the X-men goals, that no one else before him explored.

Oh, right. Like the Mummudrai mumbo jumbo. And the Phoenix.

Why didn't anyone else ever remember to fill the school with mutant students? It was a school after all - and it got us Beak and Angel, the Omega Gang, the Cuckoos.

Like Laurence says, the New fucking Mutants. The New Mutants were a regular presence is the Uncanny X-Men back in the early 80s in the same kind of supporting role that the current kids are. The class-size was much smaller, but it has been established that there are more and more mutants now, and the school needs to be bigger. Also, the Xavier school wasn't the only school for mutants back then - Emma's Massachusetts Academy was still going strong at the time.

Now that the X-Men have gone public, they're giving press conferences and showing the world what they're really about, instead of hiding in self-pity and doubts: they're a lot more positive and cheerful than before (perhaps because Grant got rid of Rogue) - and there are manifestations at the gates, and they're inviting humans to the school...

Claremont has always had humans working at the school, and has had non-mutants on the teams. Claremont emphasized human contact in fact, Grant emphasizes it in theory. Grant's X-Men talk very big, but they don't actually do too much. They talk about integration, but where are the human characters? In fairness to Chuck Austen, at least he has Creepy Nurse Annie. The humans in NXM are walk-ons.

Grant's X-Men seem pretty depressed to me - they aren't constantly whining in melodramatic interior monologues, but that's really just one of Claremont's annoying stylistic quirks which have developed over time. As you go further back though Chris's writing, you'll find that he didn't really do that sort of thing very often at the series best. (Which, in my opinion, is the Paul Smith and John Romita Jr. runs.)

I don't see one idea Morrison owes to Claremont.

Well, I could go on all day, but the biggest one is the Phoenix.

Please don't talk about Chris Claremont if you obviously haven't read much of it.
 
  

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