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T Blixius
02:28 / 20.05.06
Hmm, how can we have had a 3 year old thread on wacky tobacky only run to two pages ? Not alot of potheads on Barbelith then it appears.

Weed makes me more creative. But only if smoked every so often, daily smoking habits aren't good for health and the positive effects quickly wear off with constant use, leaving one rather dull.

I would like to venture this :

everything in moderation shall be the whole of the law.

now then, do as thou wilt.
 
 
*
03:25 / 20.05.06
Laboratory, Calabi. "Try to stay within the remit of the forum" shall be the part of the Law which thou hast overlooked.

On the other hand, I'm sure there are plenty of pothreads in Temple.
 
 
Dead Megatron
10:57 / 20.05.06
Not many pothreads, but many pot references.
 
 
ngsq12
16:36 / 20.05.06
Quantum:

When one is confused, one must think to be no longer confused. I am equating confusion with being out of breath, so to speak.
 
 
Spaniel
17:05 / 21.05.06
Hmm, how can we have had a 3 year old thread on wacky tobacky only run to two pages ? Not alot of potheads on Barbelith then it appears.

Maybe, or maybe it's because a lot of us are in out late twenties or older and simply don't have the hunger for ellicit substances that we used to have, or the desire to talk about them*.

I'm thirty and for the record I've almost entirely stopped smoking pot, but a lot of my friends still smoke it regularly, however it's very rare for us to actualy have a conversation about getting stoned - unlike when we were teenagers when drugs were pretty much all we talked about.


*Honey Pot's thread in the Temple being one of rare exceptions.
 
 
Nobody's girl
08:36 / 31.05.06
I know of a woman who was suffering from Hyperemesis gravidarum so severely that the doctors thought she was going to miscarry her child, at which point she said "Fuck it, I'm going to have a smoke to calm me down." and her sickness disappeared. Her partner said it was a pretty stressful experience for him because finding a decent supply suddenly became about sustaining the life of his child and the health of his partner!

I think in situations like this usage for pregnant women is perfectly sensible. As far as use in labour is concerned I'd certainly say it's got to be better than some of the opiates (morphine and diamorphine) they're more than happy to dope you up with in hospital! It's hilarious, you spend the whole of pregnancy avoiding too much caffiene and alcohol but go into labour and they'll give you heroin!
 
 
Quantum
14:51 / 31.05.06
When one is confused, one must think to be no longer confused. I am equating confusion with being out of breath, so to speak.

I'm confused by that... now I'm thinking about it... now I am no longer confused. Phew! Thank god I'm not stoned!
 
 
grant
13:16 / 01.09.06
10 studies on marijuana the [pro-prohibition] government wishes it never funded.

It's an interesting list, but I wish there were links to the studies themselves.
 
 
Slate
01:27 / 20.12.06
Mexican Superweed!

Interesting to note the other news about Pot being the USA biggest Cash Crop of 2006 and how it outstrips corn. With all the Genetic modifications being done in Agribusiness, I wonder if there are similar things being done to the blessed erb? I know there are selective breeding programs being done by the likes of Jack Herer and others so I am wondering if this hybrid sprung up from a very persistent cross breeder or from a back yard lab? It may seem a bit far fetched but hey, I'm stoned right now.
 
 
archim3des
04:25 / 28.12.06
I've only recently begun to link my chemical uses with actual religious practice, though I have been familiar and aware of its connections.

For marijuana, I've found myself quite lacking. Being born in 1983, I grew up in a world where, where weed had been removed of its cultural connotations several generations before. Having been a victim of the almost 80 year old "War on Drugs", its connotations, at least to my working class parents, consisted wholly of the drop-out/deadbeat images of the DEA's ad council. For a long time i saw use of any chemicals as a weakness, a failure, and felt the Circuit II status fear relevant to such a topic.

For some recent time I have been engaging myself in a GD inspired system of magical training. I alter a lot of its rituals based on the belief that those rituals where suitable for a specific era, and the worldview it facilitated. In Hermetic terms, I utilize marijuana in meditiations and excercises involving Malkuth. Once cultivated, the "high" feeling quickly translates into pathworking imagery, allowing breathtaking travel in whatever realms you intend to visit.

In my opinion, the euphoric feeling weed effects, varies in flavor from strain to strain, but the effects general effect a minimal level of potency. I find that this feeling seems to facilitate pathworking, but it does put a limit on the length of work possible. My seratonin limits seem to crash pretty hard after the level of the thc in my blood takes a dive. That combined with 45 mintues of silent asana, which to me is a pretty intense body stress, can leave me in not the best of moods.

I can't even begin to conceptualize of the significance of the role of marijuana in the mating and clan/tribe rituals of my generation.

I am currently in a phase where I smoke a lot of the stuff, and find some awkwardness to it. Every now and again, once my stash runs out, I get random paranoic or panic flashes. I think this does qualify, in clinical as an addiction, but I feel that it is due in greater part to my capacity to formulate habits as a psychological neccesity, then to the chemistry of the plant. As with any psychotropic entity, Choronzon is all to easy to invoke. The refractory period of weed can leave me in a pretty troubled state for hours. Though this is also pretty reliant on my mental state, before, during, and after ingestion and digestion of the actual chemicals.



konx om pax, fellows.
 
 
Dutch
10:48 / 28.12.06
I saw a documentary the other day on called "stoned in suburbia", in which this really nice old lady was telling the interviewer about the benefits of cooking and baking with skunk as an ingrediƫnt. She gave the weedpies to other elderly people who suffered from arthritis or other medical problems.

The mother of a friend of mine has a lot of ache in her bones that marihuana can treat a lot better and safer than the medication she use to get for it, without the negative side-effects.

Although I think that mary jane has a lot of positive effects and uses, it can be dangerous in that it has tended to make some people I've known totally apathetic and lazy. For some, the smoking is all that matters and they don't even seem to get a high out of it, or much fun. I've smoked a few joints in my life, I've had periods where I've smoked too much and it made my naturally doubting mind a little too filled with conflict and restless dubbing. But the good thing about it for me has always been that I never really became addicted to it, after a trial period, I could smoke it or leave it. For some people though, it can become quite an addiction, which seems to happen more here these days in the netherlands if I am to believe my sister who works for social services.
 
 
sn00p
19:35 / 07.01.07
I rationalise my occasional pot use in the same way i rationalise occasionaly eating a steak.

The steak is delicious, i enjoy it very much, but there is a high chance it will contribute to my likelyhood of getting cancer of the lower intestine, it's not particularly healthy, it probably raises my blood pressure and i hear some part of beef don't leave my intestines for seven years ? Or something.

But still, i enjoy the steak, it may not contribute towards my health, but it is still inevitable that i WILL die someday. So everynow and then i eat a big T-Bone and enjoy the hell out of it.

I don't think pot is good for me in the slightest, when i get back from amsterdam my lungs feel like crap and i have to take up jogging for a good six weeks to get back to my half marathon fitness, but smoking pot is a very beneficial and enjoyable experience- for me. (This is just for arguments sake, if i take it i usually eat a small amount of hash, i only smoke every few years)I think it would be unwise of me to cut myself off from this experience because one day i'll be dead anyway and all that will have mattered were my experiences.

As for all that schizophernia stuff, i don't nescarrily believe that to be fair, because you have to prepare if you're going to take a mind altering drug, the same way you have to prepare if you're going to do some exercise- say jogging, for example.
Even if it is true, i could get run over by a car crossing the street or yknow a shark could eat me while swimming. Everythings dangerous these days.
 
 
kan
15:36 / 02.03.07
I bought 1/2oz of nice smelly weed last week and it was still quite damp. The seller told me to keep it 'wrapped up tight'. I then went away for a 5 day trip and came back to mouldy grass. Very upsetting.

I've looked up a few sites giving advice on how to dry weed and all are unequivocal about binning any that shows sign of mould and advise that it should never be smoked. So apart from the fact that it smells like shit now what are the dangers of smoking mouldy weed?

It was quite pricey and I am reluctant to bin it if the risks associated with smoking the mould are no worse than those of smoking the grass itself or the million nasty chemicals from the tobacco I roll it with.

Any info or advice gratefully received.
 
 
Closed for Business Time
15:44 / 02.03.07
I'm not great on the science behind this, but I know that inhaling spores from molds and fungi can cause very severe respiratory problems. A shame, but next time, keep it in a non-airtight container.

Oh wait.. Try this link.
 
 
astrojax69
23:43 / 04.03.07
my understanding is that it should be dried in a nice airy, but dark, wood or mebbe cardboard box until juz noice to light 'n puff...

then keep it in an airtight dark glass jar, out of light. last ya for yonks.
 
 
Evil Scientist
14:11 / 05.03.07
As for all that schizophernia stuff, i don't nescarrily believe that to be fair, because you have to prepare if you're going to take a mind altering drug, the same way you have to prepare if you're going to do some exercise- say jogging, for example.
Even if it is true, i could get run over by a car crossing the street or yknow a shark could eat me while swimming. Everythings dangerous these days.


So I take it you happily smoke crack then? After all it won't definitely rupture your heart.

Not arguing that puff is any worse for the body than legal drugs (although I'd say that the benefits of jogging far outweigh the potential risks). It's a lazy argument to shrug and say "everything is dangerous these days", it's patently not true. As long as you use common sense and are careful then you can reduce possible risks.

For instance, if someone doesn't smoke at all (like myself), I'd recommend they don't get started on the hardest Class A skunk they can lay their hands on.

Kan, I'd suggest being cautious with the mouldy grass. You don't really want to end up with a fungal infection in your lungs. Trust me, antifungal drugs are nearly as bad as chemo when being used to treat systemic infections.

Let that one go and learn from the mistake.
 
 
kan
14:15 / 06.03.07
Thanks for the advice, you have confirmed what I already knew - that this batch is bin-bound.

Actually on reading the page on mould allergies and fungal infections I'm wondering if I've already succumbed through smoking previous undetected mouldy grass, coughing up brown-flecked mucus is not unfamiliar to me. How disgusting, I know. Makes you wonder what sort of warning would be sufficient to make me stop smoking, something I hope to accomplish one day...

Any way, thanks again for helpful comments.
 
 
Nocturne
12:05 / 07.03.07
I would like to agree with Salamander that pot should be legalized.

I would like to disagree with Punji Steak that all drugs should be legalized. Yes, people should be allowed to ruin themselves if they wish to, but it's very difficult to become well informed of the effects of any drug. This thread is a great example of the wide variety of "studies" one can find online, and their differring reports of the effects of marijuana. Many journalists reporting on a study do not describe the chemical or metabolic processes involved, and few give a decent report on how the numbers from their "statistics" were devised. It's very easy to fudge the numbers.

The other reason why all drugs should not be legalized is because it may lead to drugs being used more commonly to harm others, like the "date rape" drug.

Having neither smoked pot nor given birth, I have no idea if mixing the two would be a good idea. But short-term use of marijuana can't really be that bad for you, can it? Would the body have time to break it down and send it through the placenta before delivery?
 
 
grant
15:04 / 13.08.07
There's been some press lately about studies that show a correlation between marijuana smoking and psychosis - as in, smoke dope, increase your risk of developing psychotic symptoms.

But there hasn't been much mention that cigarettes are worse.
 
 
DecayingInsect
16:45 / 14.08.07
That's interesting because the abstract of the article in Addiction states that the researchers used the CIDI to screen for mental disorders. The CIDI seems to cover the full range of mental disorders as recognised by the WHO.

It's not stated whether specific classes of disorders were found to have an association with smoking or if the increase was across the board.

This seems to be different from recent studies claiming a link specifically between cannabis use and schizoaffective type disorders.

But it would be good to have statistics placing the relative risks of alcohol, nicotine and cannabis to the mental health of the individual into perspective.
 
 
GarbageGnome
14:54 / 16.08.07
The problem I see with trying to study the effects of these drugs on the mental health of an individual is quite simple. Every individual is different, so any result would have to be inconclusive. Sure, some individuals may smoke pot and go into "Refer madness" and kill 6 people. But another individual may smoke pot and just eat 6 packs of Twinkies.

However, in order to cause a public opposition to pot, all you really need is one result where someone smoked pot and went schitzophrenic. If that happened, you would get the headline for your study and be able to say "Smoking pot causes schitzophrenia" even though the study shows that only something like..one in a million people actually develope anything close to schitzophrenia. The scientist would just need to put that in the actual lab reports, and not in any article published for the masses.

So while you would get your study of the effects Decaying, you would have to be very careful how that study is interpreted and presented.
 
 
Gendudehashadenough
21:36 / 16.08.07
Hold up. Does the study actually determine whether or not it's the smoking dope that makes these schizophrenic symptoms crop up, or does it mean that the propensity of the psycotic symptoms being associated with cannabis use rises if you smoke dope, in spite of the fact that those symptoms could be less-related to smoking reefer and more-related to say, inhaling ash whist stoking the fire one to many times?

Seems like one implies it is the cannabis causing the symptoms being diagnosed, while the article clearly defers to the correlation/causation fallacy and says that 3 of 100
ppl, who smoke cannabis, are likely (when other variables are controled re: held constant) to develop symptoms of pscycoses which MAY be a direct result of pot toking. Shit, the numerous hearings of 'koala' could be a cause of symptoms by grant's first sentence.

Sounds like a rish by association...
 
  

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