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Quantum
11:27 / 13.11.03
Hell no, it makes you lazy, forgetful and careless, stunts your ambition and motivation and can make you paranoid and anxious.

Not from one reefer though, go on, try it..

I'd tell them it was like alcohol, fun but can be dangerous, entertaining but bad for your health (to US readers, here in the UK we smoke it with tobacco, which of course KILLS as it so clearly says on all our fag packets)
 
 
Professor Silly
13:44 / 13.11.03
It's so hard to find unbias information.

I've read of a study done in Jamaca of life-long smokers. The only differences they found from non-smoking Jamacans were that the smokers were less prone to violent outbursts and less likely to abuse alcohol.

Obviously further studies (which are still technically illegal here in the USA) would seem warrented.
 
 
Mister Snee
18:23 / 13.11.03
A lot of my friends just recently started smoking weed on the odd occasion, usually with me. I've been smoking daily whenever I could afford to for coming up on two years now. So when they ask me what the dangers are, well, I tell them "there aren't any". Not from one joint. I mean, if I'm passing around a pipe, and someone's there who's never smoked, and he says "I'm not sure -- what dangers are there?" I'd say, "none; you might get cottonmouth and when you burn out in one to two hours you'll feel pretty ratty for a little while but it passes."

On the other hand, pot definitely has deleterious effects that build up with long-term use. I find that the times when I have the most weed around are when I feel the most creative and verbose, but I also get depressed more often, I have trouble sleeping if I don't smoke before bed, my short-term memory is slightly less efficacious, and of course my tolerance goes way up and I have to smoke more to get the same effects. When I've been smoking every day for a really long time, it stops working "the way it used to", and some of the effects I seek start to drop off while the ones I dislike pile up. But that goes away if I put the reefer aside for a week or two. (As a side note, I've read that taking melatonin supplements is supposed to arrest and even reverse these accretive negative effects, the memory problems, tolerance and all.)

People say using weed for a long time makes you "stupid". Well, it's never made me feel stupid per se. I look at stuff I've written while in a period of heavy use and it doesn't seem any better or worse than stuff I've written during periods when I didn't have any drugs at all. I don't believe I've suffered any long-term effects to my mentation since I started smoking. My experience with weed's negative effects is that they build up very slowly over a long time and go away when you back off. It's a forgiving plant but, you know, everything in moderation.

Weed has never made me say or do anything I regretted later by way of suppressing my inhibitions (like alcohol does). It's never made me pass out or fall over or put myself or anyone else in danger. Most people I know are comfortable and apparently safe when driving on cannabis but the common view is that you shouldn't drive while on anything that changes your perception at all, which pot certainly does. So there are a couple of schools of thought on weed and driving.

But essentially, to reiterate, if the newbie asked me if weed was dangerous I would say "no." Although for his sake on a more personal (slash psychedelic slash psychic) level I would take a little while to explain just what it's like to be high, what effects he can expect and so on. A few of my friends have got high with me for the first time in their lives and told me, wide-eyed, "it can't be this way for everyone. It can't. If this happened to everyone I would have heard about it by now. Wouldn't I? Wouldn't someone have told me about it? Wouldn't everyone do it?" I replied, "well, who told you it wasn't any fun to get high?" "No-one," he said. So they had told him. But as is always the case, you have to do it to get it.

Phoo.
 
 
Mister Snee
18:25 / 13.11.03
Heh. I said "reefer".
 
 
cusm
15:00 / 14.11.03
Maybe someone with better sources on the web than me can bare this out, as I have a distinct memory of reading a study that suggested THC lowers blood pressure...which would better explain the usefulness in treating glaucoma.

What you are thinking of is the effects of lowering occular fluid pressure, which ease symptoms of glaucoma. Weed actually raises blood pressure when it is first kicking in, as the rush gets youa bit excited. It can also cause arythmic heart patterns for some, which is mostly more frightening than actually dangerous, but probably enough to avoid the stuff if you have serious heart issues. Then again, once settled, one becomes more relaxed and thus of an overall lower blood pressure, lower stress, and better health. So, the answer is, "Its complicated".
 
 
odd jest on horn
00:56 / 01.02.04
I'm not very fond of alcohol. It makes you feel stupid, you get hangovers, I can't do anything creative whilst drunk and have no drive the day after. Marijuana doen't affect me like that, it makes stuff *fun*. I find more bugs in my code whilst high etc.

This makes it highly dangerous for me in my mind, cuz sometimes I'd rather not deal with life, and a great way not to is to get high. So.. because it doesn't have any apparent faults it's dangerous :-) But then I have seen what it can do to people who want to escape into their own world.

My best friend is an alcoholic, but his drug of choice was marijuana. It made him exceedingly boring, sleepy, lowered his drive to paint (he's a great artist) and due to monetary problems he grew his own stash which made him paranoid beyond all belief. Memory problems were horrible. He would have lost his job, except for reasons which I don't have the inclination to explain.

OTOH he was smoking a *lot*, and i mean a *lot*. And his main problem was that he (is an alcoholic/has an addict personality) and lots of issues to deal with and stuff like that. He could have fucked himself up royally on anything (and did too).

So yeah, if you're not an addict it's fine :-P
 
 
Naked Flame
08:53 / 01.02.04
I've smoked for all of my adult life- sometimes heavily, sometimes not so heavily. I always maintained that it didn't knock me out or slow me down in the wider scheme of my life. But you know what? Now I'm smoking less I think it did, rather. Also, now I'm smoking less I have more creative juice, which is funny because I always used to use it to get to the creative juice.

I think that it generally helps your flow, but if you use it all the time then the flow dries up cos you used all the water.

Anyway, I still enjoy it when I do it. So =that's= ok.

And the negative effects on creativity and indeed the rest of one's life just pale in to insignificance when compared to, say, videogames. [/threadrot]
 
 
Gendudehashadenough
23:39 / 15.02.04
I just finished The Illumanatus! by RAW and, sat down to smoke a joint, flipped through the appendix, and nottice, again, the reference to Alamout Black; related to Hassan Sabbah, who supposedly added Datura seeds to marijuana to produce a quasi-trippy high, or was it Jimson weed. Any body know of this, tried it?

I hear that taking Datura, and/or jimson weed/seeds alone can create a violent, though some might say significant experience.
 
 
Baz Auckland
02:05 / 16.02.04
Most of what I've heard about jimsom weed is simply 'don't'... Your tolerance to the high effects grows very quickly, while your tolerance to the poison doesn't. End result very bad.

(although apologies to Castaneda et al. if I'm wrong...just what I've heard.)
 
 
grant
18:51 / 16.02.04
Check out the datura thread in the Magick.
 
 
Mirror
01:35 / 23.02.04
From erowid:


Marihuana smoking is probably the most common single source of flashbacks. Many people become more sensitive to the psychedelic qualities of marihuana after using more powerful drugs, and some have flashbacks only when smoking marihuana (Weil 1970). In one study frequency of marihuana use was found to be the only factor related to drugs that was correlated with number of psychedelic flashbacks (Stanton et al. 1976).


I found this article a few days ago, and was profoundly relieved to realize that I hadn't simply fucked my brain over or gone nuts when I started tripping after smoking a relatively small amount of dope, on more than one occasion.

This is the peculiar attribute of marijuana that has basically caused me to stop using it. After having done a couple too many tabs over the years, I now can't seem to smoke up without embarking on a protracted flashback/trip. It's just a bit irritating to take a toke or two in the evening and end up spending five or six hours madly tripping away. But at least, it appears, I'm not the only one this happens to!
 
 
grant
13:14 / 26.08.04
The latest New Scientist has an article on the correlation between marijuana use and psychosis/schizophrenia.

Sure enough, when Markus Leweke of the University of Cologne, Germany, and Andrea Giuffrida and Danielle Piomelli of the University of California, Irvine, looked at levels of the natural cannabis-like substance anandamide, they were higher in people with schizophrenia than in healthy controls.

The team measured levels of anandamide in the cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) of 47 people suffering their first bout of schizophrenia, but who had not yet taken any drugs for it, and 26 people who had symptoms of psychosis and have a high risk of schizophrenia.

Compared with 84 healthy volunteers, levels were six times as high in people with symptoms of psychosis and eight times as high in those with schizophrenia.


What does anandamide do?

The team's theory is that rather than triggering psychosis, the substance is released in response to psychotic symptoms to help control them. People with the worst symptoms might be unable to produce sufficient anandamide to prevent them.



People with schizophrenia often use marijuana to self-medicate, and this can lead to big problems.

But people with schizophrenia who use cannabis actually have more severe and frequent psychotic episodes than those who do not. This may be because THC makes anandamide receptors less sensitive.

Leweke's team also found anandamide levels lowest in people with schizophrenia who used cannabis more frequently, suggesting it may disrupt the system in other ways too. Up to 60 per cent of people with schizophrenia use cannabis.
 
 
grant
20:33 / 02.12.04
Pot makes you crazy, scientists say.

OK, that's overstating the point a little. But another long-term survey found that marijuana use causes a "moderate" risk of developing psychotic symptoms.
 
 
· N · E · T ·
00:07 / 07.12.04
One danger of the weed that hasn't been mentioned is an allergic reaction, but it's very uncommon.

When I smoke cannabis, I also take memory enhancing drugs - Huperzine A and Vinpocetine - and have above average short term and long term memory function.

I much prefer to eat it though...
 
 
Colonel Kadmon
23:04 / 09.01.05
"Up to 60 per cent of people with schizophrenia use cannabis."

But couldn't that just be because up to 60% of people use cannabis?

I had something more to say on this subject, but man, I'm so stoned!
 
 
farseer /pokes out an i
18:43 / 12.01.05
Alright... maybe this is a little off topic, but just some general responses:

- Yeah, all drugs should be legalized. America screwed the pooch for everyone on this one, and failed to learn it's lesson the first time. Totally with ya'all on that...

- As far as vaporizors go, I've had my bad experiences, too. VERY bad. Huge waste of money experiences. UNTIL I discovered the Vapor Brothers. If that link doesn't work, go to vaporbrothers.com, and you can buy one on eBay or vaporwarehouse.com. The Vaporbrothers gives the best hit-like vaporization session, a-la smoking, but without the cancer, only the THC. It's so good that I've bought it as a presents, and had other friends buy their own, too. Way better then the crappy hot-plate & fan-based Vapir stuff. Yay, eh?

- Using drugs while preggers is fucked. Let the kid choose their own chemical state once they've born and their brains have matured enough to make reasonably good choices.
 
 
Etruscan
16:57 / 03.02.05
If you want to vaporize marijuana, IMO your best bet is the Volcano. My girl works at a head shop north of here, in Santa Rosa, and I got to try the Volcano at their yearly employee party. Holy. Shit.

Ok, it's this work of german engineering that looks kind of like a squished cone or uh. A volcano. The THC-infused vapor gets blown out the top, where you catch it with a huge plastic bag. The bag detatches with a convenient little nozzle, and then you can wander around huffing out of it like some kinda street trash.

Like, we're talking world-bending experience from two little hits off that bag. Too bad it costs about five bills.
 
 
astrojax69
19:30 / 03.02.05
if i send them my phone bill, my rent bill, my car bill, my electricity bill and my tax bill, will they send one to australia??
 
 
Etruscan
20:48 / 05.02.05
Yes sir, that is correct. Pardon my charming colloquial expression -- by 'five bills' I meant 'five hundred dollars'.
 
 
grant
17:32 / 11.04.05
New medical application detailed in Nature.

Just avoid the high-cholesterol munchies and you're golden.

Yeah, THC prevents atherosclerosis and strokes by stopping clogged blood vessels... which it does by suppressing immune system reactions to a certain kind of inflammation, but only does so at a particular dosage.

Mach's team administered tiny amounts of pure THC to mice. The treatment reduced the progression of blood-vessel blockage formation by more than one-third, the researchers report...

The team also emphasises that the THC dose required to protect blood vessels is lower, relative to body weight, than that which would produce the mind-altering altering effects of cannabis in humans. "This paper has nothing to do with smoking marijuana," Mach stresses.

"It does not mean that smoking cannabis is beneficial to the cardiovascular system, as cannabis smoke contains many toxins which may actually lead to cardiovascular diseases," says Michael Randall of the University of Nottingham Medical School, UK, who has studied cardiovascular disease and cannabinoids.

"The body also produces its own cannabis-like chemicals and whether they may play a role in the above beneficial effects is unclear," he adds.
 
 
astrojax69
23:05 / 11.04.05
there is an old line that is funny because it so bleeding obvious and sooo true...

"too much of anything is bad for you; that's what 'too much' means"


there always, for mine, seems to be an implicit assumption in the debate on drugs and there deleterious natures that *any* amount is bad, wicked, evil, ooh nasty. sure, a couple of pipes or joints every day of adult life is probably a) too much smoke in the lungs, and b) too much chemical too often in the blood - oh, and probably c) too debilitating mentally.

but as a palliative treatment, why have any laws for any method - the patient is about to die anyway! a similar line, but lesser force, for use in treatment of ms and other illnesses.

as for common or garden variety use, occasional use is probably no worse than occasional use of a whole block of chocolate, or five pints, or two serves of double cooked pork belly and a few helpings of the coffee anglaise and chocolate mud cake! any (preferably all!) of the above would have serious implications for your long term health if imbibed every day or thereabouts.

a sydney funk band of early nineties, skunkhour, had a nice rap groove called 'do you like it?' with the lines, "it's no good if you're needed/but take it if you can't leave it"

we all need to make decisions on what we are prepared not to leave...
 
 
astrojax69
01:25 / 13.04.05
now this story paints cannabis as a cure all. sort of.

sounds like the guardian just wanted an excuse to publish hash brown recipes...
 
 
grant
19:50 / 15.09.05
Dude! New sub-species!

And it's called rasta....

It's a New World variety, looks like indica (the hemp one), but with the THC levels of sativa (the dope one).
 
 
astrojax69
21:40 / 15.09.05
see? canberra rocks!
 
 
nyarlathotep's shoe horn
00:49 / 17.09.05
I read in "healing with whole foods" (sorry, don't have any more info - i gleaned it at a friend's place) that with long-term use, cannibis can affect your kidneys & adrenals. What was suggested is that one's energy level bottoms out, such that there's an inertia beyond the post-smoking slump into bleary-eyed grinning which makes getting out of bed in the morning a Herculean task - much more severe than a cannibis hangover.

apparently, calamus root, boiled in a tea, is good for anyone looking to wean off the stuff. It apparently has a healing effect on one's nerves (don't recall details, again, apologies) also.

Is the chronic use of any mood-altering substance a problem or not?

I suppose it depends on the user, and the context of the use, however, I'm intrigued by the sentiments expressed here that seem to indicate that smoking it daily for years hasn't had any negative effects.

except for maybe in one's lungs. Even with the use of a vapouriser or water-pipe, there's lots of burning lighter fluid going into the mix.

I live in Vancouver, and I've met a number of people who have moved to this city for the cannibis, among other reasons, and have seen a broad range of use, abuse and excuse.

Illegal plants are a ridiculous notion, however, it's not like alcohol-light either. Your liver still has to content with the toxins, no?

ta
tenix
 
 
nyarlathotep's shoe horn
20:38 / 23.09.05
woah,

sorry, didn't mean to kill this thread dead.

tenix
 
 
angus
18:34 / 07.10.05
Well, after heavy college use, I got overly religious and gave the weed up for almost 20 years. Then I dumped the religion and my outdated morals two years ago and have been a daily smoker for most of that time. I'm happier, in a job that I like better, and doing a lot more creative work - I have my own radio commentary, among other things.

My two cents.

When comparing to alcohol, keep in mind that alcohol poisoning is rather common, but no one has ever ever died from marijuana overdose. I've read a lot of the literature, and the fact is there is no hard evidence of any deleterious effects, even among hardcore, longterm users. Even memory is not substantially affected, even lung damage has never been shown to occur. A recent (like, last month - search Salon.com) large longterm study even suggested less lung cancer in 'chronic' smokers.

As for schizophrenia, always remember, correlation is not causation - the governments are always pulling that trick. All the 'gateway drug' nonsense results from confusion of correlation and causation.
 
 
Mirror
18:08 / 12.10.05
While I agree that the government has some interest in demonizing weed, I don't think it's entirely inaccurate to refer to it as a gateway drug. Certainly, correlation does not imply causation, but the correlation between the use of weed and other drugs can be significant in its own right. I certainly don't believe that I would ever have tried harder drugs without first smoking up.

Ironically, I think that the categorization of marijuana with harder drugs was a significant factor in my willingness to experiment further after trying pot - it became a gateway drug because I rationalized that if I had been misinformed about it, I had probably been misinformed about other drugs as well.
 
 
nyarlathotep's shoe horn
15:05 / 13.10.05
sure, same here,

but I was eating sugar long before I drank, smoked, or imbibed other mood/mind-altering ingestibles.

you can call marijuana a gateway drug, however, I know fewer people who eschew sugar than mary jane.

pretending sugar is a "food" is part of the problem. It is THE gateway drug... and probably deserving of its own thread.

but anyway, MJ ain't the gateway sugar, alcohol or tobacco are.

=)tenix
 
 
grant
20:01 / 17.10.05
Hey! New study!

Clear evidence that marijuana can directly affect yer brain cells... by growing new ones.

Most addictive drugs inhibit the growth of new brain cells. But injections of a cannabis-like chemical seem to have the opposite effect in mice, according to new research. Experts say that the results, if borne out by further studies, could have far-reaching implications for addiction research and the application of marijuana in medicine.



The region this effect shows up in is the hippocampus, that little seahorse that handles memory and some emotional stuff.

Scientists have spotted a similar effect with anti-depressants. Since the test subjects here were mice, they weren't sure whether the mice were feeling better overall about their lives.

This is exactly the opposite effect than addictive drugs like opium, heroin, cocaine, etc, which tend to lower the number of new cells in the hippocampus.

Why marijuana is the opposite, they don't know yet. Or even if raw THC behaves the same as the cannibinoid the researchers were using.
 
 
angus
19:18 / 18.10.05
... and it prevents cancer.

http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pagetools/print/news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4350642.stm

Marijuana, the gateway health food.
 
 
SteppersFan
09:52 / 14.11.05
I've never had a problem with marijuana side effects other than one -- it tends to kill your dreams. Or rather, it makes it difficult to remember them, and distorts them a bit.

However, it has been suggested to me that pot can damage your chromosomes, though demonstrably, not mine!
 
 
Axolotl
12:27 / 14.11.05
Big article in the Times today about the dangers of marijuana smoking due to it's psychosis-inducing properties. I'm never too convinced by this argument as it seems to be a chicken/egg situation, y'know - does ze smoke because ze's mental state is messed up, or is ze's mental state messed up because ze smokes. However it does seem to present an ever increasing risk if a person is smoking in their early to mid-teens, which is probably a bad idea for other reasons anyway.
It also seems to give family members a nice excuse/rationale for the mental health issues, which is probably a bad thing and could well increase the stigmatisation involved with mental health problems.
 
 
ngsq12
22:44 / 19.05.06
The best exercise for the mind is confusion. But one can pull that brain muscle or snap it entirely. Like all drugs dope should be treated with respect.
 
 
Quantum
01:57 / 20.05.06
The best exercise for the mind is confusion.

Not *thinking* then?
 
  

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