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But I'm on your *side*.....or, why clever people can't be racist.

 
  

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ONLY NICE THINGS
22:35 / 10.03.03
Quantum: You do need to stop associating the actor with the character being played. I am, of course, coopting Praying Mantis' concept of class and expecting those more gifted than I to take it and run with it, exposing its limitations (which are many) to the brisk wind of the coastal air.

Kit-Cat: Quite so. "Intelligence" describes one's capacity to understand, "education" the process by which one attains both knowledge and stimulus response and "knowledge" the acquired data by which one's education provides response to match stimulus. intellego - educo - knaulege.
 
 
Quantum
08:17 / 11.03.03
I wasn't serious. When will punctuation to denote sarcasm reach our keyboards I wonder...
Intelligence is harder to define than mental potential/capacity for understanding, but that's a different issue. I see intelligence, knowledge and education as closely related (although not identical)- people I call intelligent tend to be educated and knowledgable because they tend to be curious, and so seek out knowledge, thus educating themselves. I can't think of many people who are intelligent but not knowledgable and educated.
Of course the converse is not true- there are plenty of knowledgable stupid people (fact retention is not intelligence) and plenty of highly educated idiots.Having lots of knowledge isn't much good if you can't use it properly... (kit-kat) Quite.

But I digress. We don't have to exactly define intelligence to discuss whether or not intelligent people can be racist/sexist/classist etc.

There are plenty of intelligent people who are bigots in this world, but it is a liberal/middle class conceit that civilised people can't be prejudiced. It has become taboo in our society to admit to racism, so people hide their prejudices and pretend to espouse equality. How many times have you heard someone say "I'm not racist/homophobic/sexist, but.." just before a totally offensive statement. Thus 'invisible' racism, prejudices painted over with a thin veneer of politeness.
I know I shouldn't have used the phrase 'liberal/middle class conceit', I mean it is not socially acceptable in my social circles i.e. middle class liberals. But I don't think I'm in a minority
 
 
pomegranate
17:56 / 11.03.03
I didn't mean to insinuate that such a binary division exists: those w/class and those w/o. Of course it's not that easy or black and white, and it's just my opinion on a person-by-person case anyway. If anyone would volunteer me to be the one who decides, unequivocally, just has class and who doesn't, I would decline that position.

Well, wait...just how much would something like that *pay*...
 
 
Babooshka
17:10 / 12.03.03
She used to be lower-middle-class, but had since made more money. She now lived in a nice home in the nice part of town and wore nice clothes, but she was still white trash to me, cos of her attitudes and ignorance...My former boss (just cos she's a point of reference now) wasn't stupid like she hadn't gotten the correct nutrients or something (chuckle), she was just ignorant...had no desire to learn things, to get, in my opinion, some "class" – praying mantis

I wonder how much of this attitude of yours towards a woman who clearly made her way up in the world and worked to achieve a better life for herself and familly (if she had a family) is colored by sheer envy on your part that someone below your socio-economic background was signing your paychecks and telling you what to do. Despite her clearly proving herself capable enough to be in a position to supervise others, you insist on pigeonholing her as 'white trash' because there really wasn't any other way to put yourself above her, which is obviously where you feel you should have been.

It's a shame your former boss is not here to give us her side of the story, about what it must have been like working with someone who was too busy being jealous, judgemental & resentful of another person's hard work to bother to improve hir own situation...someone who felt that because ze came from a certain background certain opportunities should be handed to hir on a platter.

I'm not flaming you, PM: It's just that your comments are coming across as a personal vendetta rather than a measured consideration of the topic at hand.
 
 
pomegranate
21:08 / 12.03.03
I brought my ex-boss up only as an example, to explain where I was coming from. It was years ago, I truly hold no resentment. If I wanted to do some personal vendetta stuff, I wouldn't write about her on a message board, I'd go slash her tires or something.

You bring up valid questions, Babooshka, and though you have only my word to go on, I want to discuss what you said.
I resented my boss because I felt like she forgot where she came from. She used to work at a title company, then started her own. Hurray for her. However, as her company grew, she didn't pay her workers more and I thought that was terrible, cos she is obviously raking in 3 times as much, and we are doing 3 times the work, but we're all getting paid the same. Yeah, yeah, capitalism, blah blah. I don't have to like it. (Incidentally, this was one reason that I switched to waitressing; the money you earn is more relevant to the amount of work you do in a day.)

I don't/didn't call her white trash to put myself above her. I did admire her as a businesswoman in many ways. But she did a lot of things that I consider classless, like talk in a racist manner, use poor grammar and treat a lot of people like shit. Etc. Additionally, I don't think she originally came from a socio-economic background much lower than the one I came from/was in at the time.

As far as being "too busy being jealous, judgemental & resentful of another person's hard work to bother to improve [my] own situation," I was going to college at the time, and I've now graduated. Just so you know.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
09:21 / 13.03.03
OK (and steering gently away from what could be a mud-wrestling extravaganza - play nice, people)...

I'm interested by:

I don't/didn't call her white trash to put myself above her. I did admire her as a businesswoman in many ways. But she did a lot of things that I consider classless, like talk in a racist manner, use poor grammar and treat a lot of people like shit.

The racist manner we have already looked at in some depth - it brings up the question of locating prejudice and of defining racism, among many other things, but presumably what we mean here is that the use of certain terms or possibly the adoption and expression of certain attitudes can identify somebody as *both* racist and "classless".

Incidentally, I think "classless" is a very good example of the protean nature of language in these discussions, as it can be taken to mean "lacking in class" (by which we mean "class" as a good thing, as one might describe a magnanimous and unprejudiced person as "a class act") or "unconcerned with the class system" (which could be either a good ro a bad thing, like the Blairite vision of a "classless society"). So, "a racist manner is classless" could mean either that a racist manner is a sign of a lack of class (in the sense of an as-yet-undefined positive characteristic with an as-yet-unclear relationship to the normal structures of social class) or that a racist manner is not something that is limited to one (social) class. Slippery little buggers, words.

As it is, I think we can assume that you mean the former - that is that you see a racist manner as an identifier of low social class (and I think quantum makes some very interesting comments about this above...). We're identifying two "others" there - racist and low-class. However, we have also said that being of a low social class is no *excuse* for racist attitudes - people can educate and improve themselves and should therefore be held responsible for having the failings of the social class they belong to.

However, we also have poor grammar and treating people like shit as identifiers of "classless" behaviour. I would certainly identify these as "classless" in the sense of applying to everyone equally, but am slightly surprised that we are locating treating other people badly as characteristic of low (social) class.

Except of course we aren't, or at least are not quite. We are identifying it with not being "classy", which remains largely undefined but seems to be about failing to exemplify the best possible aspects of one's social class while not falling prey to any of the weaknesses, but at the same time also not making claims beyond it (by acquiring money and the paradigmatic nice clothes and neighbourhood, the woman threw her *lack* of suitability to possess them, and thus her "classless" status, into sharp relief).

However, I'm afraid I am rather struggling with the idea that these qualities are entirely neutral...

OK, let's take poor grammar. My grammar, I'd like to believe, is rather good. I can tell you the difference between a future conditional and a present subjunctive, and where each one is appropriate. I can quote you Fowler on the difference between a semi-colon and a colon, and not only identify but also explain the solecism contained in the phrase "between you and I, that man's grammar bespeaks his lack of class".

Te tum. However, I would be the first to admit the many advantages that heredity and rearing might have contributed to those L33t gramm0r sk33lz. I was born and raised the son of a professional teacher of English. I spent seven years at the sort of school where these things come in handy. During my time there, I was also instructed in Classical languages where grammar is a more formal part of the syllabus than it frequently is in English. I spent four years doing the special Being a Cleverclogs elective at Oxbridge Academy, London. I am likely to spend the rest of my life, if all goes according to a rough plan, securing my livelihood in some capacity related to my ability to communicate information clearly, cogently and in a suitably impressive manner by text, at least until technology advacnes to the point where it is no longer a necessary skill, at which point I shall retire to a leather-bound armchair and send neuromails to the Daily Telegraph.

Now, if the young Tannhauser had managed to avoid that sort of school, that sort of cleverclogical course of study and, indeed, had been expecting to secure his livelihood by a fashion in which the formation of complete and accurate sentences in text was less important than, say, a pleasant manner, a good memory and the ability to do sums in my head, or the ability to perform SAP implementations across enterprise networks, then I suspect his grasp of grammar would be less cancerian, and other skills may have been developed in its stead.

Can I, then, associate poor grammar with a lack of class, or with low social class, and then use that as the basis of condemnation without taking prevailing social factors into account? And can I conversely, since I am so damn classy, logically not talk in a racist manner? Does that mean I also cannot be racist in my attitudes or actions?
 
 
Smoothly
10:29 / 13.03.03
I spent four years doing the special Being a Cleverclogs elective at Oxbridge Academy, London.

Shouldn't that be 'Clever clogs'? Or at the very least 'Clever-clogs'.
If I'm right, I think that means you can be a bit racist.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:43 / 13.03.03
(offtopic)
It's colloq. - I don't think the form is formalised. This being Barbelith, I was construing it as one might fatbeard. The OCD, I think, represents it as two words, like clever Dick, but that has to be two words as the second is, in usage if not generally in sense, a proper noun. So I'm sort of Schrodinger's racist, I think.
(offtopic)
 
 
pomegranate
14:19 / 13.03.03
Haus, it seems to me thus far that you have superb grammar.
And of course you can still be racist--you can just be more eloquent in yr slurs.
I don't know the difference between, uh, what you said. (heh) But you won't catch me using double negatives, except maybe in jest. I just think that's kinda...trashy.
 
 
Ethan Hawke
14:31 / 13.03.03
(offtopic) Do you pronounce "cleverclogical" with a hard or soft "g"?(/offtopic). In either case, I love it to pieces.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:52 / 13.03.03
(Soft g, I think)

Point being, it seems odd to identify poor grammar as a sign of "classlessness" without consideration the contexts in which grammar is conferred, and from there maybe we can start to identify ways in which processes of othering are going on here. For example, elsewhere Ganesh is questioning the idea that gay men lisp, and that this counts as an affectation, rather than the natural conduct of man that has been corrupted over the years by artificial soi-disant "straight" behaviour. Likewise, this thread now seems to be providing some interesting examples of the sort of "bundling" we started talking about earlier. This person is trashy. This means they have poor grammar, treat people badly and are racist. These are characteristics of the trashy other. Their trashiness is monadic - it just is without apparent context. Which means we can place people whose characteristics we wish to make other in the "trashy" bin, and still hold those who end up there responsible for their position.

It's eeenteresting...
 
 
pomegranate
17:20 / 13.03.03
If only I could go back in time and literally put my boss in a trashy bin. har har!
 
 
Babooshka
19:30 / 13.03.03
Cheers Haus, no extravaganza intended on my part. Clearly we are adults here, and can agree to disagree as well as request clarification. Hurrah!

Point being, it seems odd to identify poor grammar as a sign of "classlessness" without consideration of the contexts in which grammar is conferred, and from there maybe we can start to identify ways in which processes of othering are going on here...This person is trashy. This means they have poor grammar, treat people badly and are _racist_. These are characteristics of the trashy other. Their trashiness is monadic - it just _is_ without apparent context. – Haus


Well, poor grammar can often be an indicator of poor education. Or as Haus mentioned earlier, it can also indicate an alternate educational path where grammar was superfluous to requirements. So can we deduce that people who don't receive a certain type of education are "trashy," even if they are indeed educated?

Example: Electricians are highly skilled, educated people, but they don't necessarily speak, write or do maths very well – they don't have to. They need to know how to fix electric wires, plugs, light fixtures and such. Does their inability to eloquently express themselves make them "trashy?" Even, and especially if, they make more money being an electrician than copyeditors who have faulty light fixtures?

Getting slightly back to racism here, consider the subltle differences in tension between:

An African Diasporic electrician working on – and getting very well paid for – the light fixtures of a Caucasian copyeditor

A Caucasian electrician working on the light fixtures of an copyeditor of African descent

There may or may not be racist feelings on either side, depending on the four individuals, but if there is tension it will hinge on two things: Money and Education.

One person will have what the other lacks, and quite often racism (and many other isms) will boil down to a schism between what's in the back pocket and what's hanging on the wall.

"The bloody cheek of so-and-so making all that cash! What about my degree?"

"That fucking know-it-all! Who does so-and-so think ze is? Always getting the last word in and making me look a fool! Where's my wallet – I'll show hir!"

Haves and have-nots, eh?

(Skimming the entirety of four pages, I don't think this was touched upon. Economics was discussed in terms of appropriation, but not as a central part of the whole shebang. If I'm wrong, and I missed a section somewhere, sorry. I've been away for a while, is all I can say.)
 
 
Quantum
15:08 / 18.03.03
Here's a discrimination that's relevant here- Newbie-ism.

The protean cultural protocols on the web have given rise to some interesting behaviour, especially in terms of Status. For example Barbelith (like almost all BBSs/forums/chatrooms) has a social structure similar to a real-life club or group.

Status is dependant on;
1)time spent on the board (how long you've been here)
2)effort spent on the board (number of posts)
3)quality of posts (elegant, concise, entertaining posts better)
4)respect afforded by the community (which other posters you befriend)
5)special status (Moderator, the star system, labels on the site)

That is just an off the cuff list but seems accurate to me, roughly in order of importance.

BUT the difference between the Net and the 'Real' world is one of size. There is no geography on the net.
IRL If I go to a pub (or wherever) it is likely to be near me and be frequented by locals. If I know a lot of people who are local, when I go to a pub nearby I will likely see some people I know and can effectively transfer some of my Status to the new location.
Not so on the web. Wherever I go for the first time I am equivalent in status to any other newcomer, and with the prevalence of pseudonyms anybody I know IRL or from other locations probably wouldn't recognise me anyway.
It has to be that way because there are so many people online, and ANY of them can go ANYWHERE with no effort at all. Webrings and so on make a sort of pseudo-community of locations, but each site is basically an Island.

With that in mind, what do we think about Newbie-ism, the discrimination against newcomers to chatrooms?
It's common to ignore (or not reply to) the posts of people you don't recognise, I think because so often a dialogue is started and then someone disappears untraceably into the net again. If someone has posted a lot for a long time you know they'll be likely to reply to your posts and 'repay' the effort of posting. There are lots of reasons to discriminate against newbies and it's socially acceptable.

But isn't that exactly what this thread's about? Acceptable discrimination, invisible racism etc? In fact the underlying reason for it is the same as in Classism etc.- exclusion of the other to reinforce the group of 'us'. Often subconscious, by otherwise enlightened people, because it's not of the basis of any taboo distinction (colour, gender, sexual orientation, disability, class etc.).

*disclaimer* I have been welcomed on Barbelith and feel it reflects these tendencies a lot less than most places, this is not just another attack on cliques or exclusion by a mewling newbie- if your first thought was that it was, examine your subconscious prejudices. You Newbist. *end disclaimer*
 
 
Adamant
17:34 / 29.04.03
Any manner of judging intelligence can be shot down, Haus has done so with several of them now. It seems we are left with arbitrary indicators, probably inspired by a description of our own life or actions. Truly, what is the point in intelligent thought? We call ourselves x, thus defining x. We find other people with quality x so that we may continue to feed our egos. All the while, we laugh and insult those who lack x. When all the while, x is an arbitrary standard.

Of course, this has really gotten off topic. I suppose to tie it in, think about the relation between the concepts of cleverness and racism. Where is the relation? I don't see how any exists. Clever people cannot be unclever. So does part of the definition of racism include uncleverness? Surely not, although I can't actually point to any notably clever members of the Klan at this moment.
 
 
Quantum
14:14 / 08.04.06
*bump* Unintentional racism, sexism, classism, still an issue?

(sidenote- weird to see some of my early posts, it seems so long ago...)
 
 
All Acting Regiment
19:41 / 08.04.06
Absolutely. Off the top of my head (sorry for the anecdotes) I can think of several students at my campus who wear dreadlocks but openly talk about how they hate "all that rap crap and the people who make it", and how "we should be able to say n*gger because they can". These aren't self identifying as far right, or as anything other than the "average student".

Then recently, the student newspaper ran a story about terrorism...or did they? The article focussed entirely on Muslims with not one shred, not one scintilla, of discussion about anyone but Muslims being involved with terrorists, apart from, of course, the Irish, who have been experiencing "tension between catholics and protestants since the twelfth century", apparently, the generally poor research evident suggesting to me that it was more extreme laziness than malice that wrote the article. I looked up the writer's name to complain to the editor...to find it had been written by the editor.

I could go on. A gay white student recently turned to me and said how disgusting it was that the university should run an "Islam Information Day", with workshops, stalls, and so on, when "Islam hates queers".

Now, I'm sure that his intention was against homophobia rather than against muslims, and like all religions Islam has intolerant people acting in it's name; but the fact that white people a) associate all of a religion they have no experience of with intolerance and b) actually refuse to go up to the stalls and talk to the muslim students about this is really worrying.
 
 
Jack Vincennes
14:29 / 09.04.06
Posters, B: putting people in the 'thick as shit' category is very much a form of oppression

Tannhauser: Can I, then, associate poor grammar with a lack of class, or with low social class, and then use that as the basis of condemnation without taking prevailing social factors into account?

I've just read through this thread, and something I think would be really useful to talk about again is classism -and something that I hope the above quotations point to, how one can identify classism without being classist, and how one can challenge classism without being classist.

Again, an anecdotal example. I work with someone who complains about 'chavs' very frequently. Never anything specific, really, -xe'll just talk about, say, the number of people who frequent Wetherspoon's pubs or who have tattoos xe considers nasty, both of which xe sees as signifiers of a 'chav' (whatever that is). This not infrequently turns into, 'Ha, you need to know exactly what you want to buy here, because the people who work in the shops are too thick to help you!' and 'Yes, but when you consider the intelligence of the average person in this town...'

Essentially, how does one work against classism without speaking from, or even to an obvious position of privilege? Is there a way of challenging this that doesn't reassert the same kind of division -without, essentially, seeming to say (or indeed saying) 'I disagree with what you said on a very fundamental level but am being tolerant and kind to you even though that comment nudged you a little closer to my own personal "thick as shit" category'? I personally find the way this person writes off an entire(ly amorphous) group of people as being stupid, shocking -but I know that my reaction is just as culturally predicated as hir's, so it's something I find quite difficult to talk about (as evinced by this post)
 
 
*
05:03 / 10.04.06
What's classist about "You're being a snob and it pisses me off"?

I have this problem where I tend to use extremely academic language to explain what's wrong with classism (as well as racism, heteronormativity, sexism, cisgenderism etc.) because I feel supported by the authority I see academic language as being vested with, and that is an effect of my classism. Lately I've been reminding myself to come down out of the ivory tower once in awhile and say what I mean in plain language. It's important for me to remember that the fact that being an academic doesn't mean one is more intelligent strongly implies that the same calibre of ideas can be expressed in plain language if I'm willing to give it a try. I accept that non-academics are just as smart as I am, so I have to accept that the language of the world outside of academia will also work to express the same concepts. From that perspective, this:

"Expressing your disdain for certain groups of people based on their socioeconomic signifiers is unacceptable to me as it reifies the extant boundaries of class-based oppression that I feel strongly we as a society have a responsibility to dismantle"

can be just as effectively expressed as:

"Talking trash about people because you see them as poor or stupid makes me angry, because it just strengthens the same shitty system that keeps poor people poor and makes it hard for them to get a good education"

I see it as a classist assumption to assume that the ideas of anti-classism necessarily belong to a privileged world, because only an educated elite could have been smart enough to come up with them. I don't think that's where you're coming from, Jack, but I noticed it somewhere else and that's why I make mention of it.
 
 
Jack Vincennes
05:26 / 10.04.06
the ideas of anti-classism necessarily belong to a privileged world, because only an educated elite could have been smart enough to come up with them

Yes, that's specifically what I was trying not to say -I'll try to phrase things a bit better and come back to this thread!
 
 
Quantum
14:47 / 10.04.06
Check out the excellent derogatory class rhetoric thread.
 
 
Jack Vincennes
18:57 / 10.04.06
"Talking trash about people because you see them as poor or stupid makes me angry, because it just strengthens the same shitty system that keeps poor people poor and makes it hard for them to get a good education"

...is a good thing to say. Thank you! I suppose that part of my problem is that the term 'chav' is such a flexible term -it expresses 'not me' in the way I usually hear it used -is that it's hard to argue about. To take Legba's example, the student who opined that "Islam hates queers" could easily have spoken to one of the Muslim students, had a chat about it, and found out that maybe that is not the case, or not entirely the case. There are, in short, counterexamples -it is possible to make someone see that their use of the word 'all' was misplaced, and indicative of prejudice.

But with a term like 'chav', there are no common set of characteristics. When I try to use something like your keeps poor people poor argument, the argument, 'Oh, but not all chavs are poor! Look at Victoria Beckham! Chav!' comes right back at me. And if someone comes from a poor background but isn't stupid? Why, they're not a chav, of course! It's a very circular argument, and in lots of ways the only way to argue that is your academic way of saying the same thing -because it is about the socioeconomic signifiers to a far greater extent than the socioeconomic status. Does that make more sense?

It's also, if one doesn't want to go down the academic argument route, extremely easy to get personal. 'Victoria Beckham's a chav because she wears clothes you dislike? What if I don't like all the clothes you wear, does that mean I get to call you names?'
 
 
alas
20:26 / 10.04.06
It's a very circular argument, and in lots of ways the only way to argue that is your academic way of saying the same thing -because it is about the socioeconomic signifiers to a far greater extent than the socioeconomic status. Does that make more sense?

I share your frustration, Jack V. I'm not sure if I won't fall into the same problem. There's a book, however, on this very phenomenon, that strikes me as being written (yeah yeah, by an academic! BUT!) in a pretty simple voice--using personal narrative, etc. I haven't read yet the book, but I've read some excerpts, and this thread reminded me that I want to read it. The title is itself a fairly simple term that may help us, Covering, the requirement that we all try to be as "normal" as possible in order to get a kind of power cultural power. The book is by Kenji Yoshino. I think he'd say that the use of the term "chav" applied to Beckham (and maybe that boss, upthread, too) is a kind of punishment for failure to "cover."

I read an essay by him in the NY Times Mag (The Pressure to Cover), that is already an archived piece on the nytimes site, of course. (So, once again, if you're interested in the whole thing, PM me, and I'll shoot you a copy.)

Here's an excerpt:

When I began teaching at Yale Law School in 1998, a friend spoke to me frankly. ''You'll have a better chance at tenure,'' he said, ''if you're a homosexual professional than if you're a professional homosexual.'' Out of the closet for six years at the time, I knew what he meant. To be a ''homosexual professional'' was to be a professor of constitutional law who ''happened'' to be gay. To be a ''professional homosexual'' was to be a gay professor who made gay rights his work. Others echoed the sentiment in less elegant formulations. Be gay, my world seemed to say. Be openly gay, if you want. But don't flaunt.

I didn't experience the advice as antigay. The law school is a vigorously tolerant place, embedded in a university famous for its gay student population. (As the undergraduate jingle goes: ''One in four, maybe more/One in three, maybe me/One in two, maybe you.'') I took my colleague's words as generic counsel to leave my personal life at home. I could see that research related to one's identity -- referred to in the academy as ''mesearch'' -- could raise legitimate questions about scholarly objectivity.

I also saw others playing down their outsider identities to blend into the mainstream. Female colleagues confided that they would avoid references to their children at work, lest they be seen as mothers first and scholars second. Conservative students asked for advice about how open they could be about their politics without suffering repercussions at some imagined future confirmation hearing. A religious student said he feared coming out as a believer, as he thought his intellect would be placed on a 25 percent discount. Many of us, it seemed, had to work our identities as well as our jobs.

It wasn't long before I found myself resisting the demand to conform. What bothered me was not that I had to engage in straight-acting behavior, much of which felt natural to me. What bothered me was the felt need to mute my passion for gay subjects, people, culture. At a time when the law was transforming gay rights, it seemed ludicrous not to suit up and get in the game.

''Mesearch'' being what it is, I soon turned my scholarly attention to the pressure to conform. What puzzled me was that I felt that pressure so long after my emergence from the closet. When I stopped passing, I exulted that I could stop thinking about my sexuality. This proved naïve. Long after I came out, I still experienced the need to assimilate to straight norms. But I didn't have a word for this demand to tone down my known gayness.

Then I found my word, in the sociologist Erving Goffman's book ''Stigma.'' Written in 1963, the book describes how various groups -- including the disabled, the elderly and the obese -- manage their ''spoiled'' identities. After discussing passing, Goffman observes that ''persons who are ready to admit possession of a stigma. . .may nonetheless make a great effort to keep the stigma from looming large.'' He calls this behavior covering. He distinguishes passing from covering by noting that passing pertains to the visibility of a characteristic, while covering pertains to its obtrusiveness. He relates how F.D.R. stationed himself behind a desk before his advisers came in for meetings. Roosevelt was not passing, since everyone knew he used a wheelchair. He was covering, playing down his disability so people would focus on his more conventionally presidential qualities.


I find it helpful, anyway, and not particularly academic. Part of the problem is that it can be hard to say things in a short-hand way (which is another reason that jargon develops, because it's a kind of shorthand), without the kind of narrative that makes this so compelling. But that story-telling approach takes time. However, part of his point is that we are all outsiders at some level, and most of us have had an experience of having to "hide" or downplay some part of our identity in order to "fit" better, and most of us don't like it...so there's hope, maybe.
 
 
Quantum
18:24 / 24.07.06
*bump*
 
 
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08:32 / 27.07.06
In the journal Critical Sociology (2002), Eduardo Bonilla-Silva published a paper entitled "The Linguistics of Color Blind Racism: How to Talk Nasty about Blacks without Sounding Racist." The paper argues that there are five stylistic components to the language of color-blind racism, as follows: 1) avoidance of direct racial language, 2) rhetorical dodges to avoid responsibility for racist views, 3) projection, 4) diminutives, and 5) breakdown into total or near-total incoherence as a result of finding oneself on forbidden ground. Among the rhetorical dodges are such old friends as "Some of my best friends are X," "It's not a prejudice thing," and "I'm not prejudiced, but..." In addition, there are others less frequently talked about, such as "I'm not X, so I don't know, but..." and "Yes and no..." These two forms of equivocation, Bonilla-Silva argues, give the speaker the protection of seeming to consider all sides before stating an opinion based on prejudice. Projection acts as a rhetorical dodge as well, but was such a significant one that Bonilla-Silva gave it its own category, covering all instances of "They're the racist ones" and "They segregate themselves" as well as "They just hate me because I'm white." Diminutives function to soften racist opinions, as speakers can say such things as "Well, I'm a little bit against affirmative action," "I think they're overreacting just a bit," and "I think they're going a little bit too extreme with this integration thing." If the myth of colorblindness is to survive, Bonilla-Silva argues, these strategies are necessary for white people to cover for their inevitable "mistakes" or the appearance of such. He also notes that talking about race is an extremely emotional experience for white people, as evidenced by the stress-reactive incoherence which many whites descend into when pushed "too far" into a taboo subject.

I think this is a useful paper to read for barbelith posters, because I believe many of us are in the cohort most likely to use these defenses: young, educated, and middle to upper class. Even if not, it's certainly good to recognize them and their effects on discussion when we see them.
 
  

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