Thank you, MC. I was just about to get up on a similar soap box.
I think this whole thread is really funny anymore. If magick works as we believe it to, it is a tool one can use to change the world, and other people in it. Its just a subtle tool, one many can not notice. Every time you use magick, you attempt to alter a will that is not your own. You ascend to a position of power over others and even reality itself, you play God, and you try to get your way. Your modivations may be unselfish, but the act itself is one of the most extreme hubris we are capible of imagining. How does that fit into your "morality"?
As for tools, man has ever developed more subtle tools to manifest his will over the world, from stone axes to machines, to nanite probes. Technology progresses, as does that of manipulation between each other. Lets take the matter at hand as an example, in progressively more subtle means:
(extreme cynicism alert)
Physical: Charge into her house, kill her parents, hold her down and fuck her. That's how its been done for thousands of years. Your Viking ancestors would be proud.
Animalistic: Flash your brilliant plumage to display your mating potential, in hopes of stimulating her instinctive drive to reproduce. Look at my shiny car, baby. Wana fuck?
Personal (direct): Interact with her on a personal level, and attempt to appeal to what she likes emotionally or mentally. Be what you need to be so that she will find you appealing, and exploit that to get what you really want, that booty.
Social (indirect): If your personal mojo doesn't work, appeal to higher powers to get your way. Talk to her father, arrange a dowry, and purchase her as a wife. Who needs to work at it? Now she's yours, and the law says you can have your way with her.
Political: Father won't give her to you? Have your father threathen war over the dispensation of the eastern marches. What a hassle. A political marriage would strenghten ties between your nations, and settle the matter nicely, wouldn't it?
Aah, but those days are largely past. What other possibilities do we have?
Strategic: One can apply the basic personal mojo at a time when she is more vulnerable to it. Wait till she gets drunk. Or better yet, get her drunk. Or better yet, slip her some MDMA or a roofie, then try it. Ahh, the miracle of modern medical technology. If she doesn't like you, you can change her so that she does.
Manipulating: Technology shows us there are ways one can manipulate the subtle reactions of a person, actually program them through your interactions and speech. NLP, for example. Use of these techniques can program her to like you, and she'll never realize she's been brainwashed. Subtle. You're a crafty one.
Magickal: Better still, manipulate her without even interacting at all! Cast a spell, twist her soul to what you desire it to be. She'll never guess. You're so subtle. What will you think of next? |
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