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New X-Men #142

 
  

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Jackie Susann
21:45 / 11.06.03
do you reckon we could get a new thread for stuff about depression, corporate ethics, and alcohol consumption and just talk about nxm here?

my two cents: much as i'm amused by the idea of scott getting trashed, i thought this issue just went nowhere, was dull, and in particular, why the fuck do we need all those full page shots of the dominatrix dancer? more story please.

also, if the dancer is whatever men want, scott wanted to feel embarrassed and unaroused. can we get over this? yeah, we get it, scott is repressed - i agree with whoever it was who said it feels like grant is beating us over the head with scott and jean's marital problems and character flaws and should just move on.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:19 / 11.06.03

do you reckon we could get a new thread for stuff about depression, corporate ethics, and alcohol consumption and just talk about nxm here?


Deffo. Head Shop, anyone? I'll pull some bits.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
22:50 / 11.06.03
I may well be ill informed, but thats because corporate news keep us all ill informed.

We all know that is a lazy, bullshit reason.

It may be a good idea to get a decent education about how economics works, Calvin. I think a lot of your ideas may come into sharper focus if you had a better grasp on the mechanics of how these things really work.
 
 
some guy
22:50 / 11.06.03
On the Jake Danial's and the comics code: Stop being absurd. Logan's been drinking "brewskies" and chomping on stogies forever. So designer Bachalo drew a comics page in a designery fashion. Get over it - the content is nothing new.

On ads in comics: For fuck's sake! Have you people never opened a fucking newsstand magazine and seen the ad ratio there? Calvinballroom, am I to understand you returned your television for a refund after discovering commercials? Ads underwrite comics publishing. Comics with top creators printed on glossy paper with flashy computerized coloring effects cost more to produce than tatty flats on newsprint. If you don't understand how this works, your comments are made from ignorance, and therefore shouldn't be made in the first place.
 
 
perceval
22:50 / 11.06.03

Well, it's hardly the first time we've seen drinking in an X-book. They went to bars all the time during the first Claremont run. One very popular issue saw a very drunk Colossus in a bar room brawl with Juggernaut. Logan was always looking for a beer.

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ONLY NICE THINGS
23:24 / 11.06.03
There was a Warren Ellis Excalibur devoted entirely to the gang going to a pub and having to carry Moira MacTaggart home. #92 or thereabouts, I think. In which Nightcrawler mentions a particular German beer by name - I couldn't tell you offhand whether it was referencing an actual brand, however.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:20 / 12.06.03
I just keep wondering how Grant enjoyed channeling Garth Ennis.

I don't really understand this - do you think there was anything in the dialogue, characterisation, plot or themes of this issue that bore a strong resemblance to Garth Ennis' work? (I'd argue that in terms of dialogue, for example, Ennis would be much more anecdotal and generally verbose.) Or do you just think that Ennis has a monopoly on stories in which characters sit around and get drunk (see above for evidence otherwise)?
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
08:49 / 12.06.03
why the fuck do we need all those full page shots of the dominatrix dancer? more story please.

Full-page panels can be seen as a cheap, space filling device (many regarded Ellis' "manga-style pacing" in Transmetropolitan as such, I believe) or can genuinely be seen as narrative "anchors", used to pause the flow of the story or set a mood. See Dylan Horrocks' Atlas for the effect created by an entire story laid out in full-page panels. Horrocks discusses this technique in his The Comics Journal interview.

While I see this as a valid technique, I think that it's ill-suited for monthly, 32-page comics pamphlets (contrast Atlas w/a single issue of Horrocks' Hunter, for example). I agree w/Flux that NXM works well on a monthly basis for the reasons that he gives, but I think that multiple full-page panels will have to be curbed for the book to continue to have appeal as a monthly "fix". This issue in particular will, I think, work better in the collected edition. I'm sure, though, that Grant simply intended to use the technique to slow his rollicking bullet train down for a month.
 
 
houdini
15:17 / 12.06.03
At the risk of beating a dead horse....

LLB...: Comics with top creators printed on glossy paper with flashy computerized coloring effects cost more to produce than tatty flats on newsprint. If you don't understand how this works, your comments are made from ignorance, and therefore shouldn't be made in the first place.

Can't speak for Ronan. Personally, I understand this 100%. It's all in the drive, as I see it. Market pressures have increased the cost and material quality of the average comic a helluva way since I started collecting them in (shock) 1987. At that point, comics were retailling for about 40p and I remember the big shock when they jumped to 50p.

Now, the fact that the damn things have undergone about 400% inflation since then is not particularly surprising. We can all comprehend the market pressures, especially the fact that the contraction of the direct market has placed a greater economic burden on the remaining fans.

Nonetheless, it's my opinion that comics have now entered a terminal phase. Now that books are retailling for US$3-5 at the entry level, it's no wonder that new readers are turned away. I was down the local store a few weeks ago and some woman wandered in with her kids. She was a bit iffy about spending 50c on whatever the latest "discount comic" was, and then got quite angry when the girl behind the counter explained to her that it was only Part 1 of 5 and that subsequent installments would cost $3.95 a pop.

That woman wasn't stupid. She was the market. And what the market was saying to comics was, effectively, you have got to be sodding joking.

Long-term, comics have got to successfully migrate to viable formats or die. They've got to make it into bookstores and they've got to reimagine monthly comics as satisfactory objets d'art or they too will die. I read Eightball #22 last night (purchased from the Fantagraphics drive) and it was amazing, well worth $8. But I don't think two issues of New X-Men are worth that $8, and the fact that they are riddled with ads does nothing to encourage me to revise that assessment.

Do I understand that New X-Men "has" to have ads in able to support the current publishing model? Yes. But Marvel will put this material out under another publishing model too - the trade. And I no longer see what there is that would make me want to buy the monthlies when I could wait for the trade, except some vague feeling of "loyalty". But loyalty to what? To Grant Morrison? To "the X-Men"? To Marvel? To monthly comics in general?

I'm afraid I'm not convinced by any of those.

Grant Morrison and the people who run Marvel are smart people. They don't want to be unemployed. As monthly comics spiral down into the depths of darkness they will come up with ways of putting other formats out there, other material. Some of it will sell, some of it won't. The way I see my "job" as a fan is only to buy exactly what I want. Marvel are operating in a high Darwinism context right now and if they don't learn to put out material of quality which is economically viable then they are long-term screwed. Is anyone seriously suggesting that we should buy material we don't want, or in formats we don't like, just to support Marvel? Or that our doing this would somehow be long-term beneficial to Marvel, or to comics in general? I find these to be pretty dubious claims.

It's all in the drive. Market pressures have increased comics' costs and increased advertising. But these factors have, in and of themselves, driven away fans and served to further shrink the direct market. Even if a few "loyal" fans hold out until the death of comics, the direct market for monthlies will soon enough reach a point where it's not viable. But the smart people who make comics undoubtedly appreciate this and are working to create something that will survive in the long-term. When we look at the abundance of TPB's released in recent years we have to know that this is a deliberate strategy and not an accident. Surely no-one thinks that putting all material out in a trade is a strategy the publishers invented because they want to keep monthly comics alive...?

For me, personally, the prevalence and ugliness of ads in Marvel monthlies has reached the point where it noticeably inhibits my reading pleasure. Hence, I will now buy trades. The market is driving this response from me and I in turn will contribute to driving the next shift in the demographics.

That is all.
 
 
diz
17:16 / 12.06.03
Do I understand that New X-Men "has" to have ads in able to support the current publishing model? Yes. But Marvel will put this material out under another publishing model too - the trade. And I no longer see what there is that would make me want to buy the monthlies when I could wait for the trade, except some vague feeling of "loyalty". But loyalty to what? To Grant Morrison? To "the X-Men"? To Marvel? To monthly comics in general?

while i understand and mostly agree with your assessment, i think the key thing you're missing here is that not every monthly gets collected in trade format, and that sales of the monthly are a major factor used to determine whether or not something will be published in trade format. so, by holding out for the trade, you're reducing the chance that there will ever be a trade.

obviously, this is problematic. monthlies are dying, since the ad content and prices have to keep going up to keep the publishers from hemorrhaging money, but as that happens, the monthly readership drops. some portion of that lost fanbase is migrating to trades, but publishing a trade is expensive and risky and it's hard to tell which ones are going to have an audience, and as times get tighter, it's harder to take risks. something has to give if the whole thing isn't going to collapse.
 
 
some guy
17:38 / 12.06.03
While I broadly agree with the shift to trade paperbacks, the fact remains that serialization is a valid and frequently enjoyable storytelling form, one complete with its own conventions and rewards. The public adores serials in other media - the continued popularity of EastEnders and so forth proves this beyond refutation. The serial nature of comics is not a problem, no matter how loudly certain pundits moan about continuity (ahem, the return of Dirty Den). Indeed serialization is designed to retain audiences and when done correctly it does (see again popular soaps, Claremont X-Men before the split into several mutant titles). The point is, the loss of serialization would be a blow to fiction in general.

The issue, aside from retail exposure, is perceived value of the object. If monthlies cost a buck and were available everywhere, readership would skyrocket. One solution might be a hybrid publishing structure, in which monthlies are printed on cheap newsprint with flat colors from a limited palette. The trade paperback collection could then be presented on gloss paper with the full computer coloring effects and so on. For a limited example of this, compare the coloring in the serialized and collected versions of Batman: Year One.
 
 
houdini
18:43 / 12.06.03

Well, let me say only this: I'm not against monthly comics as a bad thing per se. All I'm saying is that I don't feel it's incumbent on me to prop up the sales of comics which I personally feel to be overpriced and unsatisfying out of some general sense of loyalty to comic books.

It is undoubtedly the truth that if the market swings over to trades then some books will be lost in the crush. Since it's already pretty clear to me that, say, Spawn is outselling Artbabe, I'm not sure how bad I feel about this. In other threads on this site within the past 48 hours I've seen people commenting that it might be better if certain series had been cancelled years ago, or were cancelled now in favour of being "movie-ized". In the sharp end, I'm always aware that "waiting for the trade" may kill the trade. In fact, Warren Ellis commented about this WRT 'Reload' and whatever other 3-issue mini he's doing currently. I personally am at the point where I no longer care. If 'Reload' makes it to trade, I'll buy it. If not, don't expect tears. Note that I see no inconsistency in the fact that I religously buy every issue of 'Louis Riel' on the offchance that something horrible should happen to Fantagraphics.

LL -- I think you offer some excellent measures which might alleviate the comics situation, and I think your points about serialization as a maintainer of interest are wholly valid too. But I fear that's not the way the dominant push is going in the market. Certainly, I'd think it a good thing if Marvel and DC tried to recapture the lost newstand market with cheap funnybooks, but I think the whole evolution of comics from the first glossy interior, through the first hologram cover to today's $8 movie tie-ins has been in basically the wrong direction for publishers to be able, or willing to turn back now.

Would that this analysis were wrong.

As far as serialization goes, something that's interested me about 'X2', 'Matrix: Reloaded' and the 'Spider-Man' movies is the way that the franchises are being more consciously planned as serials. It used to seem (to me) as if they would float movies as singletons and wait to see whether they would merit sequels afterwards. Nowadays I think many movies are deliberately planned as the tip of a franchising iceberg, and it seems, generally, to work quite well in a lot of cases. (Better, say, than the awful things done in subsequent 'Aliens' movies, but I digress....) The case of the Harry Potter novels, and similar books, seems another encouraging analog, and I would hope that it would be possible for graphic novels to retain the same feature with fans waiting four months for their next 100 page ad-free X-Men fix. Who knows how viable such a model might be? I don't, but I'm willing to bet that there are researchers at Marvel and DC trying to work it out right now.
 
 
penitentvandal
19:07 / 12.06.03
I'm not going to take the same shit off you virtual people!

I agree. These non-existent bastards have had their way for far too long, I say. Destroy all conceptual humans! Kill the imaginary! Aiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeyessssssss!

But seriously.

Too many fucking Hulk ads? Fuck me yes, too many fucking Hulk ads. But it's just Marvel milking the film, like the whores they all are. It has to be remembered that Marvel/Toy Biz are only in it for the money, and will do extremely annoying/stupid things in order to get it. They knackered the Comics Distribution system and pioneered swimsuit issues in the nineties, you know? This is where they're coming from. I accept the price I pay for seeing Grant write NXM is that I will be feeding money to these people. Buy the ticket, take the ride. And go to Hell, no doubt, eventually.

I could get metafictional and ponder whether or not this issue, with Cyclops and Wolverine and Sabretooth all forced to curb their desires to fight at the behest of the club owner, Sebastian Shaw, in order to feed their desire for drink and attractive lay-deez as some kind of comment on the state of the comics consumer, forced to put up with page after page of lame Hulk ads to satisfy his desire to see GM writing Cyke and Wolvie. In fact, Hulk=big brutal bastard, Sabretooth=big brutal bastard, Wolvie and Cyke both get irritated by Creed, in much the same way as the reader is irritated by the Hulk ads. Sebastian Shaw is also not best pleased with Sabretooth, but doesn't throw him out of the club; just as Grant Morrison is probably not best pleased with page after page of Hulk crap, but can't throw it out of his comic.

Now, like cbr, my grasp of the mechanics of advertising is limited. But I don't contend for a moment that this congruence between comic and adverts is a deliberate thing engineered by the mind of Dr Evil of Diabolism, Grant Morrison. It could be, but I don't find it likely. However, it is an interesting coincidence, and allows us to construct an interesting reading of the book, in a post-modern, Roland Barthes sort of a way. From GM's magickal perspective (and my own, to some extent), it can be said to represent a fascinating example of his magickal co-operation with the Marvel egregore being played out, in that his stories are now meshing perfectly with the advertising content. From cbr's perspective, it's an annoyance. From Flux's, it's an irrelevance.

Multiple readings of texts are possible, and indeed desirable. That's what a forum like this exists for: for us to read our ideas into Grant's work in a convincing, or unconvincing, manner. That's all us 'intellectuals' do anyway, as Steven Fry has pointed out: read things into other things. Hell, it's what the word means.

I will now stop being bloody patronising and take a moment to praise calvin for his habit of lending out his Alan Moore books: takes me back to my own days at secondary school, in year seven, reading Watchmen and V for Vendetta, and passing them around to my mates when I was done. And yes - my exposure to the godking that is Moore at such a young age did, indeed, lead to my adult verbosity and twistedness. I'm living proof of what one so-called 'comic' book can do to a fragile young mind. I say ban this filth now!

He's dead right about Newcastle FP and the fuckin' Tuxedo fuckin' Princess, though. Place is full of fuckin' wankers. (the boat, not FP. Then again, I'm a fuckin' wanker and I go to FP...)

Enough!
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
20:17 / 12.06.03
the tuxy p was berthed in glasgow afore newcastle.

it was a scary happy hardcore haven until it fucked off doon the watter for newky.

so,

there you go.

xmen: overloaded with ads bigtime. noticed it with statix and doop recently. and yon bottle of jake artwork really bugged me.

it was so ugly.
 
 
diz
20:21 / 12.06.03
The point is, the loss of serialization would be a blow to fiction in general.

switching from monthlies to trades isn't losing serialization, however. it's just spreading it out into larger chunks that come out less frequently.

Indeed serialization is designed to retain audiences and when done correctly it does (see again popular soaps, Claremont X-Men before the split into several mutant titles).

sopas might not be the best example of this, actually. the traditional daytime soaps are doing really poorly in the US right now, and are generally being phased out for talk shows and the like. traditional nighttime adult soaps have never really gotten back to the mid-80s heyday of Dallas and Dynasty.

that said, it is true that serialization in some sense is a more widespread phenomenon in the non-soap parts of TV than it ever has been before. in general, most sitcom episodes in the past were totally self-contained (e.g. every single episode of Gilligan's Island starts and ends with them in the same situation), whereas now i can't think of a single sitcom which isn't serialized to some degree. even though each episode more-or-less stands alone, Friends and Will & Grace and the like have season-length story arcs. however, most episodes do little to advance the overall plot and are primarily intended to be self-contained comedies. major events and turning points happen in a few critical episodes, usually timed for the beginning of the season, November sweeps, February sweeps, and the end of the season.

there's also a whole genre of light drama shows like Buffy, X-Files, Smallville, and the like which have a similar structure, and though they tend to be a little tighter in terms of coherence around the main story arcs, there's still a division between everyday shows and "event" shows. X-Files is a great example of this: most shows are self-contained investigations of the freak of the week, but a few episodes per season advance the core conspiracy storyline.

i think the key advantage of this story structure is the balance between accessability and development over time. casual viewers can drop in and out and catch the odd episode here and there without feeling too lost. viewers who like the central storyline only have to catch a few major events per year to keep up, and can watch or not watch the others at their leisure. obsessive fans can watch it all.

comics, presently, don't have that balance. the casual reader has been taken out of the picture, really, by the rapidly declining ratio of content to price and the move to direct sales, and fewer and fewer serious readers have any real motivation to grab monthlies unless they're pretty sure they aren't going to be collected as trades.

i think the ideal would be to have cheap, fun, accessible, largely self-contained monthlies available all over the damn place, and then trades which come out once or twice a year and chronicle the major events and turning points in a developing story arc. the continuity between the two formats would be very loose, and primarily related to changes in costumes, settings, and casts of characters.

for example, let's look at JLA. each month, a comic comes out called JLA comes out and features the Justice League fighting some bad guy or solving some problem. it's a self-contained story with a beginning, a middle, and an end, it's aimed primarily at kids, and it costs less than a dollar. it's available in malls and bookstores and newsstands.

then, say, twice a year, a big trade comes out in the direct sales market. there are advertisements for it all over the monthlies as it approaches, but it's not mentioned in the stories themselves. it contains the equivalent of one complete story arc in current comics, and builds on the story arc from the previous trade and sets up for the next one. it leaves things closed enough that the JLA could realistically be in a position to move on and deal with random episodic baddies for a few months until the next Big Event, but leaving clear dangling plot threads and avenues for future exploration.

continuity works like this: if, say, Metropolis gets blown up and Green Lantern gets a new costume in one trade, then they just start drawing the costume differently in the monthly and they don't use Metropolis in the monthly stories anymore (unless it gets rebuilt in the next trade). no major changes to the status quo happen in the monthlies, and changes made in the trades just happen with no explanation in the monthlies, because the monthly reader is presumed to be a casual reader who isn't keeping track anyway.

people who are just casual readers can and probably will pick up the monthly in droves, and not feel lost or cheated. serious readers can just grab the trades, which is a lot easier and cheaper than picking up the monthlies, and feel secure in the knowledge that they aren't going to get lost either.

the best part is that people might just get in the habit of reading the monthlies, and notice that Green Lantern has a new costume, and just might be motivated enough to get down to the comic store to find out what happened.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
20:41 / 12.06.03
>I am suprised at your attitude that you feel you have to support a company through your consumption. I feel that I owe the corporations nothing, and actually do my best to get the comics I read out to my friends.<

I support what they do because I WANT comics to get out of the monthly grind and be more like regular publishers. If small, affordable trades sell, more people will do them, I'll be happier with what I buy (since I hate comics's format currently) and they will continue to make inroads into book stores as the manga collections the size of paperback novels have done. And the comics were about as gtood as an average fantasy book.

Now, if they were shite fantasy stories, I wouldn't have bought more than just one, mind you.

As for the age old argument that comics cost too much, I say, respectfully, Bull-hockey. The ENTERTAINMENT vaule sucks as you pay $3 and get 10 minutes worth of entertainment, but when a kid can drop $50 on a video game, $3 for a comic is nothing. And I know kids with LOTS of video games because they get an entertainment value from them.

Good comics that don't feel like a rip-off will sell. See Shonen Jumps 300,000 monthly sales in the US for proof of that.

I LOVE the format of Shonen Jump, but the stories leave me cold, so I don't support it...but if Marvel ro DC did the same thing with their books (that I like, of course), I'd be on it like Oprah on a canned ham.

Should we have a "Comics Format"? topic to continue this?
 
 
some guy
21:52 / 12.06.03
switching from monthlies to trades isn't losing serialization, however. it's just spreading it out into larger chunks that come out less frequently.

I suppose the success of the manga books demonstrates that this might work, actually. Defeats the point of serialization somewhat, I'd argue, but still.

the traditional daytime soaps are doing really poorly in the US right now

Hence "done well." Think 24 or EastEnders or Dallas. The point is that, contrary to industry pundits, people understand and enjoy the serial format, and continuity in these instances is frequently seen as a reward in itself, generating storylines and audience payoff. Only in the bizarre self-loathing world of comics is continuity seen as a damaging thing. The caveat here, as I said, is "done well."

I support what they do because I WANT comics to get out of the monthly grind and be more like regular publishers.

Simply put, this isn't economical. The cost of E is for Extinction done as an original graphic novel would have been astronomical. Serialization recoups much of those costs and allows current trade pricing. Under a strict OGN regime (ie: a comics industry more like the book trade) it would cost upwards of $30. There is a reason even TPB collections cost more per page than prose novels. Don't forget you are paying on average five creators per page (writer/penciler/inker/colorist/letterer), rather than the one associated with the prose publishing structure. Those people must be paid somehow. Factor in the amount of time it takes to produce a completed comic, and the fees get very expensive indeed. These people must make a living drawing those New X Men pages, after all.

Bear in mind the popular manga trades are reprinting imported material - there is no cost base in terms of creating content. It's a completely different publishing model.

$3 for a comic is nothing

The problem is perceived value. Unless you're reading Claremont or Moore, it probably takes 10 minutes or less to read a modern comic. So that's 3.33 minutes per dollar, or 10.6 cents per page including ads. Let's compare some other entertainmant value options:

A $4 copy of FHM at 168 pages: 2.3 cents per page - or 5 TIMES the value.
A $7 novel at 250 pages: 2.8 cents per page or 4 TIMES the value.
An $8 ticket to a two-hour film: 15 minutes per dollar - or 5 TIMES the value.
A $50 video game is a better value than a comic once you've played the first 15 minutes!

So no, comics are not good value compared to other options, and no wonder the readership has evaporated. And the biggest problem the industry faces, as far as I can see, is that the shift to an OGN model is only going make the value disparity grow unless A) creators take a cut in pay, B) production values drop or C) readership quickly skyrockets.
 
 
John Brown
03:26 / 13.06.03
Yes, I do think "Ennis has a monopoly on stories in which characters sit around and get drunk." In fact, my investigations at the US Patent and Trademark Office and at the Library of Congress indicate that he has a valid registered trademark on the story, has copyrighted it, and has even applied for a patent. The last seems unlikely, given the prior art. The research was particularly difficult, given that Mr. Ennis filed all applications through the fictitious business name of Straw Man, Inc.

I'm not sure what you thought I meant, but you might alternatively consider that I (mostly) intended it as a joke, and that you have inadvertently put your finger precisely on the reason I probably found the idea funny.

And to the extent that I was not joking, although it was not even close to an exact copy of the Ennis/Dillon style, the way Morrison and Bachalo executed their version two guys who respect each other but maybe don't really like each other sitting around having more than a few drinks and sharing their opinions about each other did actually strike me as reminiscent of Ennis and Dillon.

Disagree to your heart's content.
 
 
The Falcon
15:31 / 15.06.03
Wow. When I predicted neo-fanboy whining, I didn't expect this level. Well done everyone.

There are a lot of adverts, yes. They're annoying, yes.

Ignore them.

Mind you, I'm still peeved that Emma Frost advertised Asti Spumante back in the 2001 annual. I drank some, and it was shit. I later singularly failed to get chatted up by a lovely diamond woman, too. I bet Cyke was necking some of that this ish, too. It's certainly some kind of a gay drink - but what kind?

What about that Irn Bru billboard in Genosha?! Spelt CORRECTLY, I might add. Irn Bru is also shit, but one of a few Glesca references Granty likes to put in his comics - see also the motel 'The Bear's Den' and French polis/Fantomex' reference to the European Cup Final, which was played last year, when he made said mention, at Hampden Park, Glasgow. Is he working for the tourist board?

Anyway.

Bachalo's art was splendido. When I was concerned about his panel experimentation, it was because they were occasionally indecipherable. Here they are not; the page that just sort of trails off as Logan goes to the bog was particularly excellent.

%I think Scott's really going to get on with Fantomex.%

I await 3-in-a-bed action and 'tough man-love' breathlessly. Oh yes.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
15:45 / 15.06.03
the traditional daytime soaps are doing really poorly in the US right now

That's because of a shift in viewership due to who is actually home during the daytime to watch those shows. The serial soap opera medium is doing just fine on tv. Here's a partial list of popular tv serials/soaps:

The Sopranos
Six Feet Under
Sex and the City
The Wire
Gilmore Girls
Smallville
Ed
ER
Buffy The Vampire Slayer
Angel

Many popular sitcoms have become semi-serialized soaps too, most notably Friends and Frasier. At least half of all 'reality' programs borrow heavily from the serial/soap format, most notably The Real World.
 
 
FinderWolf
14:03 / 19.06.03
I'm going to gently guide this thread back to being about NEW X-MEN as written by Grant Morrison.

In an interview published on the net today with EMMA FROST series writer Karl Bollers (who seems to be a pretty decent writer overall from the stuff I've read of his in the past), the full text of which can be found at www.comicbookresources.com, Bollers states:

>> But even with the childhood affection for the villainess, Bollers wasn't, to his knowledge, the first pick to write the series, but that first choice has helped guide him along throughout the planning process. "To my knowledge, Marvel had wanted to do an 'Emma Frost' series written by Grant Morrison, but he was too busy to write it," reveals Bollers. "So he planted the seeds of Emma's origin story in 'New X-Men #139' and I'm basically expanding on those signature events as well as introducing some wacky elements of my own in the ongoing title. Grant provided great insight for me on how he views Emma's character, telling me the specific fictional movie character he bases Emma on. It was great getting a glimpse into the mind of this industry uber-scribe."

Interesting. The article also addresses how Emma's sexuality will be prominent but that it's not the totality of her character.

So what movie character do you think Grant M. is basing Emma on? Let the guessing begin!

And I like the idea that the writer of an EMMA FROST series (or is it a mini-series?) has chatted with Grant M. and gotten his ideas first.

I'm very much looking forward to the next issue of NEW X-MEN....when is it out??
 
 
The Falcon
00:32 / 20.06.03
Jean Brodie, no?
 
  

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