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Lies of the day - keeping track

 
  

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Poke it with a stick
15:28 / 20.03.03
The US is still committed to the roadmap for peace in the middle east.
Hence the $4 billion in military aid then.
 
 
grant
19:24 / 20.03.03
I don't see that anyone's mentioned this one, linked to from Kooky Mojo's blog:

"Oops. Guys, those 'weapons of mass destruction' receipts? Uhhhh... somebody really just goofed us on that...."

Responding to questions about the documents from lawmakers, Powell said, "It was provided in good faith to the inspectors and our agency received it in good faith, not participating ... in any way in any falsification activities."

"It was the information that we had. We provided it. If that information is inaccurate, fine," Powell said on NBC's "Meet the Press" last Sunday.
 
 
Baz Auckland
21:58 / 20.03.03
Speaking at a Pentagon press briefing, Mr Rumsfeld, said: "Needless to say, it is a crime ... to be destroying the resources of the Iraqi people

Apparently that only applies to oil, and not, say, Bagdhad.
 
 
bjacques
22:58 / 20.03.03
Re the pre-dawn Tomahawk volley.

You missed.

"We're still doing the damage assessment."

Fuck you, you crazy bastard, I'm still kicking.

"US intelligence experts are not 100% sure that's really Saddam Hussein."

My ass. A city of 3 million, and a network of tunnels and a guy who outlasted your daddy.

"This does not constitute the beginning of the war. It was an opportunity to make a "decapitation strike."

Based on intelligence 4 hours old. The markets expect a short war. Start clock.
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Bonus lie, or at least an omission: Turks moved into northern Iraq probably to do a little off-camera ethnic cleansing. The only people paying attention are the Kurds who held a demonstration in Amsterdam's Leidseplein tonight.
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Coalition of the Willing. That's, what? 10% of the planet tops, vs 90% guaranteed.
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The ones "shocked and awed" tried to surrender and were turned back because "the war hadn't started yet." The rest are hunkering down until it all blows over. Being bombed every so often for 12 years makes one a bit jaded. Salam Pax (nice nom de blog; see http://dear_raed.blogspot.com), a resident of suburban Baghdad, seems neither shocked nor awed. But he's a computer geek.
 
 
_pin
07:26 / 21.03.03
"It's about Kurds"

Not actually heard anyone say that, but people seem quite happy for people to believe it's about liberating Kurds. Only it's really not,because they were on TV a while ago saying how they wouldn't go in until America gave them suport, and America wasn't going to. Like when they took Kirkutz last time, and then pulled out because America wouldn't send back up. And then America offered aid to Turkey in return for bases, which really really isn't how you go about reassuring Kurds and now they seem to be attempting to crush them between Iraqi and Turkish forces moving in both ways.

Maybe capturing Kirkutz (I don't know how you spell that... ) will mean a whole lot less massacering. But then maybe not.
 
 
Cherry Bomb
08:22 / 21.03.03
The U.S. has amassed a "broad coalition" of countries providing "vital support."
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
08:42 / 21.03.03
Remember I mentioned my love of Richard Perle?

He never fails to deliver. Remember how this war was about enforcing the all-important 1441?

Perle is the head of the Defense Policy Board, and also of Trireme Partners L.P., a company which invests in technology, goods, and services relevant to Homeland Security.

That's not a conflict of interest, by the way. He says so.

Anyway, this leading light of the war party has just favoured us with the following charming article: Thank God the UN's Dead.

Apparently 'the world needs order'.

Yay.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
08:53 / 21.03.03
Never one to be outdone:

Tony Blair said last night that we faced a New Threat "of disorder and chaos born either of brutal states like Iraq, armed with weapons of mass destruction; or of extreme terrorist groups."

I particularly like how poverty and hegemony don't get a look in; anyone against us is either a rogue state or a monster.
 
 
Cherry Bomb
08:57 / 21.03.03
The Bush administration is highly concerned with their - oops, I mean the Iraqi people's - livelihood
 
 
rizla mission
10:01 / 21.03.03
Heard Bush announce last night his intention to try Saddam Hussein for war crimes.

Try beating that for hypocrisy!
 
 
bjacques
10:08 / 21.03.03
He's gonna drag Hussein before the ICC. Saddam, if you've got any dirt on Cheney, now's the time to air it.

A rejected propaganda leaflet offered free Cokes and Lucozades to kids for every armload of depleted uranium shells they picked up and brought in.
 
 
bjacques
10:10 / 21.03.03
Shit, so it looks like Perle's getting away with it.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
10:15 / 21.03.03
I will be fascinated to see them put Saddam Hussein before the ICC, given that the US refuses to sign it. I think it's more likely he will either be shot whilst escaping or tried somewhere else. I really hope that 'somewhere else' does not mean Wyoming.
 
 
bjacques
10:24 / 21.03.03
Oops, I meant to add a "yeah, right" to my previous post about the ICC. Blown up while trying to escape is most likely. By the way, where is he? Only the Interior Minister's been making broadcasts, according to dear_raed.blogspot.com
 
 
Jack Rock-a-Pops
13:24 / 21.03.03
Yeah I declare the War Crimes hypocrisy as King of All Lies. And the reason the US won't sign it is for fear of political targeting of US soldiers. Y'know, death merchants.

And what the fuck does "scores of Iraqi soldiers have surrendered". I thought their army numbered a few hundred thousand?
 
 
Ganesh
19:20 / 21.03.03
Less a lie than a piece of Hollywood frippery. As the Oscars are confirmed for Saturday (barring "something extraordinary" happening), Academy president Frank Pierson opines that

"At a time when US culture and values are under attack all over the world, we think it is important to honour the achievements that reflect America best."

Elaborate fictions, then? Like when those brave Yank submariners captured the Enigma machine from U-571 and altered the entire course of World War II?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
22:04 / 30.03.03
"For nearly a century, the United States and Great Britain have been allies in the defense of liberty." - Tony Blair

I know you're not supposed to invoke the Nazis, but the pro-war camp are always doing it, so I'm just going to respond to the above with another quotation:

"If you're going to tell a lie, tell a big one. If you tell it often enough, people will believe you." - Josef Goebbels
 
 
Foust is SO authentic
00:52 / 01.04.03
Was watching CNN earlier today. It was an embedded reporter in an occupied Iraqi city. He was talking about how the people of the city were "generally" welcoming of the US soldiers, but that there were still "pockets" of Iraqi resistence. He ended the segment by saying that much of the city was still "resisting".

So. They're generally welcoming, but mostly fighting. The hell?
 
 
pacha perplexa
11:53 / 01.04.03
13 women and children were killed by US soldiers because, according to the official version, the vehicle they were in "didn't stop at the checkpoint". Turns out reality's a bit more histerical:

(From the Grauniad)

"The invasion forces suffered another self-inflicted disaster in the battle for hearts and minds yesterday when soldiers from the US 3rd infantry division shot dead Iraqi seven women and children.
The incident occurred on Route 9, near Najaf, when a car carrying 13 women and children approached a checkpoint.

A US military spokesman says the soldiers motioned the vehicle to stop but their signals were ignored. However, according to the Washington Post, Captain Ronny Johnson, who was in charge of the checkpoint, blamed his own troops for ignoring orders to fire a warning shot.

"You just [expletive] killed a family because you didn't fire a warning shot soon enough!", he reportedly yelled at them. "
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
12:47 / 01.04.03
Jesus... This is a fucking disaster.

In future, could you guys continue to post links to the actual articles? I'm forwarding them to my local press. Ta.
 
 
pacha perplexa
13:40 / 01.04.03
Eh, sorry, Six - here it is: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,927378,00.html
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
13:52 / 01.04.03
Not at all, thanks a million.
 
 
Baz Auckland
04:23 / 14.04.03
Australian PM John Howard:

...defended the war in Iraq arguing it was the only way to remove Saddam Hussein and its conclusion will make the world safer from terrorism.

"The whole idea that you could bring about regime change, the whole idea that you could provide the hope and the opportunity for the people of Iraq that has been provided without taking the action that was taken, is ludicrous," he said.

"My own view is that in the medium to longer term what has happened has made the world a little safer from terrorism."

"He described the military operation in Iraq as "quite brilliant""


There were other ways.... we are NOT safer from terrorism... even if you disagree with those two points, if nothing else, it was NOT "brilliant".
 
 
sleazenation
08:20 / 18.04.03
A nice little rundown of unanswered questions involving the iraq conflict from the BBC

read it. very interesting.
 
 
rizla mission
09:40 / 18.04.03
Having deliberately not read the papers for a few weeks, I feel that article probably tells me everything I need to know..
 
 
000
12:29 / 20.04.03
The Saddam statue: Not quite the fall of the Berlin Wall, then...
 
 
Nematode
20:10 / 24.04.03
http://www.thememoryhole.org/media/evening-standard-crowd.htm a bit more of the same really but quite interesting.
 
 
000
10:21 / 11.05.03
The real 'Saving Pte. Lynch'
Iraqi medical staff tell a different story than U.S. military
'We all became friends with her, we liked her so much'


Nice little story.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
11:41 / 11.05.03
Brilliant link, BC . I have nothing much to add, other than that that link is getting forwarded to everyone I know. 'tis a shame they've apparently started work on the movie, though. Because once it's been on telly, it's true, allegedly.

AAARRRGGHHH!!! I hate the world sometimes.

(Apart from anything else, the movie will be shit.)
 
 
Char Aina
18:34 / 11.05.03
yeah, BC your two links have made me write emails to people i haven't spoken to in ages.
 
 
Baz Auckland
04:21 / 15.05.03
From the evil, evil Ontario Tory government, explaining why they're 20% behind the Liberal Party in the polls:

It was a long winter, this hasn't been that great a spring . . . the Iraq war was unsettling for people, the SARS crisis . . . we had that tragedy - the young girl being murdered. Things haven't been what they usually are in the spring time."

Of course it's everything but them personally. It's not like they've mad some horribly bad decisions and done awful things in their 8 years in power...
 
 
Not Here Still
13:35 / 15.05.03
Oooh, I do so love pointing out lies.

1; The war was to stop terrorists getting their hands on materials which could be used in weapons of mass destruction. This was a major factor, so coalition forces must have kept a keen eye on such materials;

Here's Hans Blix, discussing whether nuclear material had been looted: I would have thought that they would throw in lots of forces to secure the nuclear centre in Tuwaitha, and instead, it seems that they left it, or left it very lightly guarded and there was a lot of looting, and now, as a result of that, radioactive substances are spread.


2; In the wider world view, North Korea's nuclear programme needs to be dealt with. Ask Donald Rumsfeld, who is very much opposed to it. He knows what the programme's like - because he sold them half their equipment.

Donald Rumsfeld, the US defence secretary, sat on the board of a company which three years ago sold two light water nuclear reactors to North Korea - a country he now regards as part of the "axis of evil" and which has been targeted for regime change by Washington because of its efforts to build nuclear weapons.

3: The links between Iraq and al-Qaida were clear and could be seen in the presence of the Islamic terrorist group Ansar al Islam in Iraq; Colin Powell made this view clear at THAT UN speech before the war started (you know, the one with the phone recordings...)

(nb: this link is Al Jazeera, so it may have been hacked by the time you read this...)


...Powell produced his second major argument: that Iraq was supporting Al-Qaeda’s "terrorist network" by assisting a group called Ansar al-Islam, through a link man, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, in northern Iraq.

Almost every major element of Powell's argument relating to Zarqawi has since come under question. German intelligence has long investigated Zarqawi's activities, and admits to not being able to show any links between him and the Iraqi regime. Furthermore, Ansar al-Islam has strongly denounced the Baghdad government, and has called for it to be overthrown. These are hardly the words of allies. The links between Zarqawi and Al-Qaeda are peripheral at best: Powell did not manage to show any direct connections, and did not even attempt to make the claim that Ansar al-Islam was in any way involved in the events of September 11, 2001.
 
 
Not Here Still
16:09 / 15.05.03
4: George Bush, 'end' of the war: "We do not know the day of final victory, but we have seen the turning of the tide... "

US State department's Cofer Black at the same time: "It is not to say that we have turned the corner."

5: Chemical Ali is definitely a goner;

Just this week, [Sunday, May 11] there were witnesses who claim to have seen him in southern Iraq. And [Brigadier] Binns himself told Jane Corbin, "Chemical Ali's rather like Elvis. Nobody is quite sure whether he's dead or alive, and every day we get five ... at least five ... reports of his current location."
 
 
Jrod
19:49 / 18.05.03
Ah, the lovely Seattle sunday paper. The sorta conservative Seattle Times merges with the kinda liberal Seattle Post-Intelligencer for one day of the week, sparing everyone on the Puget Sound the inconvienience of actually choosing which paper to read. This would be truly bothersome if all the interesting stories and columns weren't reprinted from better papers. For example, The Washington Post provided this front page headline: "No illegal weapons? Public still backs war in Iraq". That's right, apparantly the horrible WMDs we used to justify a pre-emptive invasion simply don't exist - AND MOST AMERICANS DON'T CARE!!!! Not only that, but the Democrats, the nominal opposition party, don't want to bring up this point- oops! Started veering into some threadrot there, unless you want to count our "two-party-system" as a lie.

Another interesting column, courtesy of the NY Times' Paul Krugman, was simply headlined: "We're no safer from terrorism". Below the headline is this bold quote: "The International Institute for Strategic Studies, a respected British think tank with no discernible anti-Bush animus, declared that al-Qaida is 'more insidious and just as dangerous' as it was before Sept. 11. So much for claims that we had terrorists on the run."

Let's review. The stated objectives of the Iraq War were to eliminate WMDs and weaken the terrorists who were apparently hanging out in Iraq like it was Club Med. Yet, here in reality, the WMDs didn't exist, and while we warred on Iraq, al-Qaida regrouped and reorganized. Because of the war, the terrorists MORE dangerous than ever!

Again, the truly frightening aspect of all this is that most Americans simply don't care. Most Americans seem to think of the war as an unqualified success.....though it's my suspicion that dissatifaction and dissent is more prevalent than the media's been reporting. The gov't has, after all, made it "legal" for them to arrest anybody for any reason, then either hold them indefinitely or put them through a secret trial with secret evidence. That sort of thing tends to make a dissenter think twice before expressing their views, especially to a stranger calling to ask about one's views on the President.

BTW, here's something that couldn't be lied away. Most of you have probably heard about the simulated terror attacks on Monday: biological agents in Chicago, and a dirty bomb here in Seattle. These tests basicly confirmed that, in the event of a terror attack, we'd be fucked. This certainly comes as quite a surprise, lemme tellya.
 
 
000
15:58 / 09.07.03
We all know about the stories that have been circulating around about the latest U.S Election, could this be a revival? And will it have any effect?
 
  

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