But you behaved in a way that could be interpreted as persistent and unwelcome PMing, and without actually communicating your intent you left a vaccuum in which intent had to be ascribed. So, if we are looking to establish "best practice", I would suggest that one example of that best practice would involve a consideration for boundaries that in many cases might be unnecessary, but in isolated cases might be very useful
On this I agree. In retrospect, I shouldn't have bothered. It was however a last resort a that time, as the tensions between Ierne and myself were already evident. It was not, in this case the PMs that initiated the tension. I sent a bit of energy to her, hoping she would respond to it peacefully or leave me and my friends alone at least. They were simply warm, pink fuzzies.
No, really, I would never do that again with someone I do not have any understanding with. That was an error on my part and has caused confusion. It was even a little naive. I certainly take responsibility for those 3 Pink PMs and insist that they were never meant to be harmful. I actually thought that I was put on iggy.
As far as being an imposition on another's will, I think any magician worth their salt can handle a warm, fuzzy pink spelling with ease. It is not an agressive tactic and hardly an imposition and about as annoying as a mosquito.
If we are going to make ethical code for magick, then it should be in the context of magick. There is a huge difference between sending pink notes and summoning the wrath of Cthulu to "smite your enemies". One is a magickal interaction and the other is plainly an attack. BUt as it is in magick, we are talking about the will. If you feel as if your will is being imposed on, use your own! We are not helpless against such spells and part of being a magician is definately knowing how to protect yourself, even from pink fuzzy PMs.
As I already pointed out, no one can monitor people's homes to make sure they are not conjuring up stuff against another here, but if we come up with some kind of guideline for Magickal practices (here on Babrelith only) maybe it can be sealed magickally and given protectors so that if there is anyone who does not abide by the rules and does perform a banned spell, it can be sent back to them. SOme kind of mirror type thing so it is not vindictive, but just and appropriate for the type of infraction it was.
Actually, misdirection is generally a tool of prestidigitation, not magick. What you are identifying in my dealings with Nietzsch.E is a legomantic (to put it in the terms addressed in the paragraph following) device called apophasis,-Haus
I was just discussing this last night with a fellow magician. This is not just about stage magic or sleight of hand. In magick, it is the unwatched hand of the silent magus!
Absolutely, and thus the ill-fitting mantle of "genius" (bless you, but really, I'm at best a labourer here) I pass gladly onto your shoulders.
Well, it was worth being an ass about it just to hear you say that Haus. Truly though, you can keep the title, but if you do actually want to talk about using words as magick, then we should examine everyone this way, not just those who accept that they are magickal beings and call themself "a magician". Regardless of whether one believes, or not, people use magick and spells all the time. Thinking ill-thoughts or positive ones are also a form of magick, can we regulate this too?
cBut you behaved in a way that could be interpreted as persistent and unwelcome PMing, and without actually communicating your intent you left a vaccuum in which intent had to be ascribed. So, if we are looking to establish "best practice", I would suggest that one example of that best practice would involve a consideration for boundaries that in many cases might be unnecessary, but in isolated cases might be very useful
On this I agree. In retrospect, I shouldn't have bothered. It was however a last resort a that time, as the tensions between Ierne and myself were already evident. It was not, in this case the PMs that initiated the tension. I sent a bit of energy to her, hoping she would respond to it peacefully or leave me and my friends alone at least. They were simply warm, pink fuzzies.
No, really, I would never do that again with someone I do not have any understanding with. That was an error on my part and has caused confusion. It was even a little naive. I certainly take responsibility for those 3 Pink PMs and insist that they were never meant to be harmful. I actually thought that I was put on iggy.
As far as being an imposition on another's will, I think any magician worth their salt can handle a warm, fuzzy pink spelling with ease. It is not an agressive tactic and hardly an imposition and about as annoying as a mosquito.
If we are going to make ethical code for magick, then it should be in the context of magick. There is a huge difference between sending pink notes and summoning the wrath of Cthulu to "smite your enemies". One is a magickal interaction and the other is plainly an attack. BUt as it is in magick, we are talking about the will. If you feel as if your will is being imposed on, use your own! We are not helpless against such simple spells and part of being a magician is definately knowing how to protect yourself, even from pink fuzzy PMs.
As I already pointed out, no one can monitor people's homes to make sure they are not conjuring up stuff against another here, but if we come up with some kind of guideline for Magickal practices (here on Babrelith only) maybe it can be sealed magickally and given protectors so that if there is anyone who does not abide by the rules and does perform a banned spell, it can be sent back to them. SOme kind of mirror type thing so it is not vindictive, but just and appropriate for the type of infraction it was.
Actually, misdirection is generally a tool of prestidigitation, not magick. What you are identifying in my dealings with Nietzsch.E is a legomantic (to put it in the terms addressed in the paragraph following) device called apophasis,-Haus
I was just discussing this last night with a fellow magician. This is not just about stage magic or sleight of hand. In magick, it is the unwatched hand of the silent magus!
Absolutely, and thus the ill-fitting mantle of "genius" (bless you, but really, I'm at best a labourer here) I pass gladly onto your shoulders.
Well, it was worth being an ass about it just to hear you say that Haus. Truly though, you can keep the title, but if you do actually want to talk about using words as magick, then we should examine everyone this way, not just those who accept that they are magickal beings and call themself "a magician". Regardless of whether one believes, or not, people use magick and spells all the time. Thinking ill-thoughts or positive ones are also a form of magick, can we regulate this too?
But you behaved in a way that could be interpreted as persistent and unwelcome PMing, and without actually communicating your intent you left a vaccuum in which intent had to be ascribed. So, if we are looking to establish "best practice", I would suggest that one example of that best practice would involve a consideration for boundaries that in many cases might be unnecessary, but in isolated cases might be very useful
On this I agree. In retrospect, I shouldn't have bothered. It was however a last resort a that time, as the tensions between Ierne and myself were already evident. It was not, in this case the PMs that initiated the tension. I sent a bit of energy to her, hoping she would respond to it peacefully or leave me and my friends alone at least. They were simply warm, pink fuzzies.
No, really, I would never do that again with someone I do not have any understanding with. That was an error on my part and has caused confusion. It was even a little naive. I certainly take responsibility for those 3 Pink PMs and insist that they were never meant to be harmful. I actually thought that I was put on iggy.
As far as being an imposition on another's will, I think any magician worth their salt can handle a warm, fuzzy pink spelling with ease. It is not an agressive tactic and hardly an imposition and about as annoying as a mosquito.
If we are going to make ethical code for magick, then it should be in the context of magick. There is a huge difference between sending pink notes and summoning the wrath of Cthulu to "smite your enemies". One is a magickal interaction and the other is plainly an attack. BUt as it is in magick, we are talking about the will. If you feel as if your will is being imposed on, use your own! We are not helpless against such simple spells and part of being a magician is definately knowing how to protect yourself, even from pink fuzzy PMs.
As I already pointed out, no one can monitor people's homes to make sure they are not conjuring up stuff against another here, but if we come up with some kind of guideline for Magickal practices (here on Babrelith only) maybe it can be sealed magickally and given protectors so that if there is anyone who does not abide by the rules and does perform a banned spell, it can be sent back to them. SOme kind of mirror type thing so it is not vindictive, but just and appropriate for the type of infraction it was.
Actually, misdirection is generally a tool of prestidigitation, not magick. What you are identifying in my dealings with Nietzsch.E is a legomantic (to put it in the terms addressed in the paragraph following) device called apophasis,-Haus
I was just discussing this last night with a fellow magician. This is not just about stage magic or sleight of hand. In magick, it is the unwatched hand of the silent magus!
Absolutely, and thus the ill-fitting mantle of "genius" (bless you, but really, I'm at best a labourer here) I pass gladly onto your shoulders.
Well, it was worth being an ass about it just to hear you say that Haus. Truly though, you can keep the title, but if you do actually want to talk about using words as magick, then we should examine everyone this way, not just those who accept that they are magickal beings and call themself "a magician". Regardless of whether one believes, or not, people use magick and spells all the time. Thinking ill-thoughts or positive ones are also a form of magick, can we regulate this too?
How do we ever know for sure? Do we need to recruit precogs and telepaths to police the board? What good would it do without proof?
Or a minority report. |
. This is part of what I learned in Buddhism, we would sit for days sending healing energy out into the world, this is a magickal working and it is compassion for those that may be suffering yet cannot help themselves out of a situation or state of mind at that time.
