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Please Explain What A Theory Bitch Is

 
  

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Foxxy Feminist Fury
12:55 / 12.12.01
Because I honestly don't think I'd know how to define it if someone asked me. Though I might be one. Or I might not.
 
 
bitchiekittie
13:02 / 12.12.01
I dunno

my take on it is that the person attempts to see a point from every angle, twist it each way to explore each facet of the subject a little more closely

or I could be completely off, who knows (wouldnt be the first time)
 
 
Dao Jones
13:11 / 12.12.01
I've always taken it to mean, from context, one who brings theory to dinner, to the pub, to the table tennis table...

Someone who has imbibed the notion 'the personal is political' without necessarily taking in the full consequences of that idea.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:17 / 12.12.01
Alternatively: I think it just means someone who has a keen interest in 'theory' - or, alternatively, someone who is very good at discussing 'theory'. Of course, what 'theory' means is a whole other can of worms, but I guess a lot of what is discussed in the meatier Head Shop/Switchboard threads would count.

I think it works best as a verb though: let's have a good old theory bitch, or I'm always up for a good theory bitch... Although actually there are more salacious interpretations of those two, aren't there...
 
 
Dao Jones
13:23 / 12.12.01
Deeeemonnns OOOOUUUTTT!
 
 
sleazenation
13:25 / 12.12.01
There used to be a pretty good 'zine called 'theory slut'. Basically a theory bitch realy digs the theoretical underpinnings that govern, well just about everything from language to social interaction.

unfortunately turning this nown into a verb conveys (to me) much more than a pose of an pseudocool theorist rather than the mechanics of applying theory to practcal or theoretical situations.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:28 / 12.12.01
Well, using it as a verb suggests a more light-hearted approach maybe. But I like that: there's no reason why theory can't be fun, as I'm sure your famous French lookeelike would agree, sleaze.

Dao: sorry?
 
 
Ganesh
13:31 / 12.12.01
So... was the response to Deva an example of 'theory bitchslapping'?
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
13:31 / 12.12.01
Ha ha.

When loads of people were running around with copies of No Logo for fashion reasons I refered to the as No Logo Sluts.

Just though I'd share that with you, now back to your regularly scheduled programming.
 
 
Ethan Hawke
13:34 / 12.12.01
Alternately, a "theory bitch" could be one who is the bitch of theory, i.e., theory is my master and I bow and scrape before it.

For obvious reasons it is always Foucault that's holding the leash in my daydreams of theory bitches.

Or, "theory bitch" as simply a theory maven.


("theory", meaning specifically the literature that's ossified around the corpse of the Frankfurt School's post-Marxism, '68er structuralists and poststructualists, and their epigones.)
 
 
Hush
13:56 / 12.12.01
theory bitch: (n) a person, usually female, who disagrees with me in a way that shows up my relative stupidity.
 
 
Dao Jones
13:58 / 12.12.01
Flyboy: your salacious notions, not you.

[taps ruby slippers]

There's no such thing as sexual imagery,
There's no such thing as sexual imagery,
There's no such thing...

[Exeunt omnes, pursued by bares...]
 
 
Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
14:04 / 12.12.01
Perhaps exit pursued by a Barthes.
 
 
Dao Jones
15:01 / 12.12.01
Pfft.

I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

Especially not as that would put them in danger from random vengeful milkfloats.
 
 
NotBlue
20:43 / 12.12.01
Like a MonkeyBitch, only, y'know, with theory's.
 
 
Disco is My Class War
04:41 / 13.12.01
sleaze wrote:

"Basically a theory bitch really digs the theoretical underpinnings that govern, well just about everything from language to social interaction."

Well, yes/but/no/maybe... Todd got it on the money, actually.

My understanding of theory bitch definitely has something to do with perversity. It's not just someone who has an interest in theory or someone who uses theory to talk about almost everything. One must also take on the role of being theory's bitch; in fact, self-identifying as a theory bitch demonstrates the perverse pleasure of being topped by theory. Memorably exemplified in a piece of writing by Crunchy, once upon a time, in which Daddy Deleuze had a good go at penetrating his rear orifices.

Dao wrote:

one who brings theory to dinner, to the pub, to the table tennis table...

You see, the problem with that statement is that theory is actually already sitting at the dinner table, drinking a lager, back-handing the ball over the net, before we ever get there. Theory is not just an oocasional doubles-and-drinks partner: theory is everywhere. It's that funny feeling at the source point of your skull. If we want to stretch the metaphor in yet another direction, theory bitches simply act as sniffer-dogs. Proving, of course, that just as theory is everywhre, sex is everywhere, making everything tick: capital, history, mountains, billboards, the sea.

Psychologically, theory bitches are too clever; they're too sexy; too loud. In fact they're too everything, and that makes them endearingly awkward; they're tryhards and they mumble. They call themselves bitches because theory is a demanding and terrifying partner; which, they think, gives them a special right to be mean to everyone else.

Does that answer your question, Foxxy?

(In ordinary speak, 'theory bitch' was something coined by matsya to describe me and Crunchy. And maybe you should ask him what he meant by that...)

[ 13-12-2001: Message edited by: Rosa d'Ruckus ]
 
 
pantone 292
04:41 / 13.12.01
damn! Rosa, yes, yes and yes. Cracking stuff.
on the perversity side - I did once see a cartoon in a lesbian mag summing it up with a kneeling submissive begging 'Please Mistress, not another theory!' [i.e. where this means bring it on, I can take it...]
 
 
Foxxy Feminist Fury
11:31 / 13.12.01
Yes, Rosa, you have both enlightened and also made me more confused at the same time, which is actually a good thing.

I believe "theory bitch" needs to become part of common parlance on all english-speaking countries. We're on our way.

[ 13-12-2001: Message edited by: Foxxy Feminist Fury ]
 
 
Dao Jones
16:33 / 13.12.01
quoteao wrote:

one who brings theory to dinner, to the pub, to the table tennis table...

You see, the problem with that statement is that theory is actually already sitting at the dinner table, drinking a lager, back-handing the ball over the net, before we ever get there.
The relational world theory describes is there. Naive conceptualisations (and some less so) are active in everyone's mind all the time. But you can actually get through an evening without talking about Foucault or Mitchell. It does happen. quote:If we want to stretch the metaphor in yet another direction, theory bitches simply act as sniffer-dogs. Proving, of course, that just as theory is everywhre, sex is everywhere, making everything tick: capital, history, mountains, billboards, the sea.And someone who cannot help mentioning sex outside the usual arenas for such dialogue generally gets funny looks. Theory, however, is immune to that kind of reproach, because it can draw on immense resources to legitimate its presence in any situation. The question is whether that's always a good thing, or whether there are times to leave it alone. Funerals, Christenings, etc.

quote:Psychologically, theory bitches are too clever; they're too sexy; too loud.None of those descriptions immediately occurred to me. They're all things which describe people I know who are theory bitches, but I wouldn't necessarily have called them definitive.

quote:In fact they're too everything, and that makes them endearingly awkward; they're tryhards and they mumble. They call themselves bitches because theory is a demanding and terrifying partner; which, they think, gives them a special right to be mean to everyone else.Mumble?! Um, perhaps. Sometimes. Say, if you gag them. A theory bitch is often a brilliant mind with no sense of timing. Someone who will tell the mother of the infant being baptised that Christianity is a repressive patriarchal myth system and that participation is an affront to any notion of feminism or self-determination.

And then prove it, right there in the front pew.
 
 
Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
22:05 / 13.12.01
Is it me, or did Dao just take the time out to agree fulsomely with a post by....Dao?

Can I get a "bwa-ha-ha" here?
 
 
Persephone
22:12 / 13.12.01
No, only the first bit is Dao, or Rosa quoting Dao; the rest is all Rosa.

Though it seems to me that Dao is getting the letter but not the spirit of what Rosa wrote.
 
 
Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
22:18 / 13.12.01
You will, I pray, forgive me if I confess to having understood that first fact already.

[ 14-12-2001: Message edited by: The Haus of a sudden chill ]
 
 
Persephone
22:31 / 13.12.01
I see. It was the "agree fulsomely" bit that threw me, actually.
 
 
Haus about we all give each other a big lovely huggle?
22:35 / 13.12.01
Fair dos. No profit in quibbling. What are we, after all? Theory bitches or something?
 
 
grant
01:31 / 14.12.01
Nah.

Just practice bitches.
 
 
Disco is My Class War
01:36 / 14.12.01
quote:Originally posted by Dao Jones:
But you can actually get through an evening without talking about Foucault or Mitchell. It does happen.


As any theory bitch worth her chops will tell you, Foucault and Mitchell are both *so* '99. Think Negri and Guattari, baby. Also, a hint: leather pants are passé.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
07:12 / 14.12.01
quote:Originally posted by Rosa d'Ruckus:

Also, a hint: leather pants are passé.


Well, you don't have to be a theory bitch to know that.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
08:08 / 14.12.01
Are we concerned with the dictates of fashion now?

How nice.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
08:19 / 14.12.01
Chip?
 
 
Ganesh
08:22 / 14.12.01
Leather is never passe. You theory bitches can't accessorise for shit, either...
 
 
Solaris
08:22 / 14.12.01
This has been one helluva week. First 'pussywhipped', now 'theory bitch'. Who uses these terms? Is it some kind of young person's 'slang' vernacular? Has somebody just misheard the phrase 'theory glitch'?

Makes me think of Camille Paglia.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
08:22 / 14.12.01
Somebody better tell Sax about the leather thing.

[ 14-12-2001: Message edited by: E. Randy Dupre ]
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
10:52 / 14.12.01
Paglia's probably the ultimate Evil Twin of Theory Bitch. She's constantly in trouble for saying things like 'going for a walk in a tough neighbourhood in a short skirt is like leaving your keys on the hood of your car.'

That one went on for months.
 
 
Persephone
11:47 / 14.12.01
Oooh... I *don't* want to start a conflagration, and I have consciously resisted mentioning Paglia b/c I know the kind of reaction she gets.

But this year I *did* read a fair amount of her stuff, because she was a character in the play I did & I have to say, well, she's got something for me.

But now I've done it, I probably will never get it schematic enough to explain... and that damn actor borrowed-now-stole my copy of Vamps & Tramps.

She did write me a very nice email, too.
 
 
Ganesh
12:11 / 14.12.01
I always think of Germaine Greer as a theory bitch in the literal sense, since she's always willing to utilise her mighty intellect to be amusingly catty at the most unexpected targets...
 
  

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