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Bill Posters
12:26 / 23.01.03
Due to 'an incident' involving someone threatening to "stab me in the fucking head" this morning* I am allowing myself 20 of my favourite tailor-made tabs. And a copy of 'White Dwarf'.** Fuck giving up, for today, anyway.

I am quite calm now, though.

* Anyone familiar with Afro-Carribean culture, please advise: does refusing to give a total stranger 20 pence constitute a dis? If so, how, exactly?

** On that note, regarding these (pm'd) allegations of "fatbeard", you can say what you want, you fattist bastard you, but the Necrons are cool beyond words, you fucking philistine.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
12:37 / 23.01.03
Sheesh, hon. hugs...

So you're combining us with the Necrons discussion board now, are you/?

Honestly, some people... so flighty.

I should really quit the quitting thread, as I can no longer pretend i'm quitting in any way shape or form, but might join Jack and Whiskey's "smoking... mmmmm" "high sugar sweets.... yummmmmy" gang...
 
 
MJ-12
13:54 / 23.01.03
You are all NOT doing 'badly'. You are all doing WELL! Do you not see? Not you see do? You do see not?

Indeed. Anyone can handle nicotine withdrawal. It takes real courage and strength of character to deal with cancer.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:03 / 23.01.03
Anyone familiar with Afro-Carribean culture, please advise: does refusing to give a total stranger 20 pence constitute a dis?

Considering the fact that you've been threatened, I'm going to skip the PC Nazi electrosnark treatment (I only joined the PC Nazis because I liked the shiny, tight uniform, you know) and just point out that this probably has nothing to do with Afro-Carribean culture, and more to do with being drug-fucked and an aggressive bastard.
 
 
Bill Posters
14:05 / 23.01.03
Thanks Officer Plod, nice to be let off with a warning (for once ), but I was accused specifically of "dissing", y'see, and thought I'd better check.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
14:14 / 23.01.03
On your way with you, young cock. No harm done. I'm sure if he had been a white drug-fucked and aggressive bastard - perhaps a Cockney - he would have said "are you calling me a wanker, wanker?", or some such other argot of aggro.

Can anyone help me quit talking nonsense?
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
14:16 / 23.01.03
no. but you're safe in here.
 
 
Badbh Catha
14:40 / 23.01.03
Indeed. Anyone can handle nicotine withdrawal. It takes real courage and strength of character to deal with cancer. – MJ-12

Brilliant. That quote made my day...I'll have to step out and light one up in your honor, mate.

I'll not be quitting smoking or drinking anytime soon...but I think I shall let go of feeling the need to respond to desperate, attention-seeking little twits who pretend they know more than they actually do. It's really not worth getting angsty about, and it does me no favors descending to that sort of argument.

So as of today, I'll concentrate on the stars, not the gutter.
 
 
Bill Posters
17:43 / 23.01.03
I am in the gutter, but I'm retching for the stars.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
18:03 / 23.01.03
But I like the gutter. All my friends end up there on a Saturday night. It's Jack's very own chillout paradise.

For the next two and a bit days I shall be giving up eating. This is not entirely through choice, being more to do with intending to be monumentally fucked until Sunday morning, and having to deal with the walnut-sized stomach that will inevitably result.

We'll then get to see how Flyboy copes with a white drug-fucked and aggressive bastard on Saturday night. I imagine it will be by nicking all his cigarettes like last time. Heh.
 
 
Bill Posters
10:11 / 24.01.03
Was I there that time? Musta been drunk.

I have not received a single death threat for walking down the street today (delighful!), but I have got one of these blighters. I'll keep you all posted - so far, it's been helpful, though not as fun as smoking - it's slightly unpleasant to use, if anything, makes my tongue sting and tastes nasty - but it does kill the cravings. Without making my lungs hurt.
 
 
Bill Posters
10:12 / 24.01.03
I don't look as cool as the woman in that link though. In fact, I suspect it makes me look a total tit.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:20 / 24.01.03
I really like the idea of the inhalator, in a kind of "in the future, cigarettes will look like *this*", way. I was also contemplating getting a pipe, to suck air through furiously in the manner of Young Sherlock Holmes, my physical resemblance to whom is, honestly, no more acute or flattering than Flyboy's seditious Rupert Grint comparisons....

Two days off now, and no side effects, barring dry skin, which I shall now treat by slathering myself in hemp oil. Yay hemp.
 
 
Bill Posters
10:41 / 24.01.03
Sorry to hear about the insomnia, Haus. That can't be helping you quit (or do anything at all, for that matter).

Young Sherlock Holmes, my physical resemblance to whom is, honestly, no more acute or flattering than Flyboy's seditious Rupert Grint comparisons....

Bolox.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
11:36 / 24.01.03
"It's like breathing the electric air of the future!"

I'm going to steal that inhalator tomorrow, Bill, and paint a big red 'X' on it. And you have no idea what I'm on about, do you? Agree with me.
 
 
Persephone
11:54 / 24.01.03
From prize student to agitator. And his telepathic talents are deep and subtle...

...he's able to influence minds around him.
 
 
Bill Posters
12:10 / 24.01.03
And you have no idea what I'm on about, do you?

No. Quite genuinely, WTF?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:18 / 24.01.03
And if everybody carries on the gag without telling, I will be most aggrieved on your behalf. We can be aggrieved together, as I expect you will be aggrieved as well...

aggrieved with me
 
 
Persephone
12:36 / 24.01.03
LOL!
 
 
Bill Posters
12:43 / 24.01.03
Which would fit nicely to the tune of Abide With Me, should anyone happen to know it OTTOTH.

Can I just be serious for a second and say that appetite gain (for those of us who need/want to gain weight, anyway) is a bonus to giving up, and more importantly, already I notice a strange absence in my life: my lungs don't hurt anymore. It's an odd, novel and entirely pleasing.

Flip side: insomnia and quitting are very, very hard to combine. Lying awake 'till four knowing a fag will chill you out and send you off to the Land of Nod and that they sell the damn things just 'em fifty yards (as well as fifty yardies) down the road is a recipe for relapse if ever their was one.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:07 / 24.01.03
Actually, I find imsomnia quite helpful I think becasue I've never associated smoking with sleep. Partly because I never sleep in bed, and subsequently because, after a year in a non-smoking flat, I've largely lost the habit of smoking at home. Also because my insomnia,. which usually involves getting 2-4 hours' sleep a night for a week or so, tends to leave me so fucked that after a cou;ple of days I almost *can't* leave the house, even for fifty yards.

Basically, as long as I stay at home I don;'t feel like I need a cigarette. But tongith I'll be going out and drinking, and it sudden;y becoimes far more difficult. i'm beginning to wonder whether I should just astop having a sociual life and live to be a very lonely and embittered 300 year old.

Still, I have been finding solace in a support group started, oddly enough, by the lovely wife of Paul daniels. Inexplicably, I feel much better when I have McGee with me.
 
 
Bill Posters
16:28 / 28.01.03
Has everyone given up giving up? This thread's gone a bit quiet...

because I never sleep in bed

Either that's an insomnia-inspired error or you're just showing off about your sex life. (Or you are really a horse and sleep standing up.)

getting 2-4 hours' sleep a night for a week or so, tends to leave me so fucked that after a couple of days I almost *can't* leave the house, even for fifty yards.

Yes, that actually helps me not smoke too, sometimes. Maybe a spin-off (and spun-out) insomnia thread is in order? I've been suffering from that badly at the mo due to this detoxing nonsense and have been having various eeenteresting conversations about handling it.

i'm beginning to wonder whether I should just stop having a social life and live to be a very lonely and embittered 300 year old.

Um, I don't know how serious that suggestion was but the drinking / going out thing is lethal (both literally and metaphorically). Last saturday night, even with my Inhalator(TM), I had a powerful drunken urge to smoke. (Addict logic for ya's: I reasoned that I was going to have a fag in order to prove to myself that I didn't want a fag. ) Thankfully Cherry said something which either sorted me out or just distracted me long enough for me to pass through that moment of craving. In all seriousness, reducing my IRL social life is a fairly fundamental way of cutting out cigs, sadly enough.

I want to post a couple of things here which may help others. I'm not doing brilliantly myself, but as yet I've not given up giving up even if I'm having the odd relapse here and there. Though nicotine substitutes have their critics, I'm finding the inhaler a life-saver. Again, that's possibly literally so.

[The above paragraph was sponsored by Nicorette(TM)]

Another facet of my ongoing attempts at healthiness is Alan Carr's book which Kit Kat has already mentioned. In a nutshell, his thesis is that smoking is not an enjoyable thing to do at all, and that the addiction is mainly psycho-social (i.e. advertising-induced) as opposed to biological. He does not seem to consider nicotine all that chemically-addictive at all. He may overstate his case at times, but it's worth reading that book: the man has a point, as any smoker knows.

Also, I was surprised how few 'Loids I've mentioned this to have read Iain Bank's Complicity. It's a book I'd recommend to anyone, may start a thread on it if there hasn't been one already (it has implications waaaay beyond quitting fags), but here's a non-spoiler passage from it which may help a little:

I take out another cigarette, light it and draw deeply. I gag again, coughing and hacking and feeling the whisky and the can of Export I had earlier slosh around inside me, almost coming up. My eyes are watering. What a stupid drug, what a completely useless fucking drug; no real hit after the first drag, highly addictive and lethal in all sorts of ways, and even if the lung cancer or the heart disease doesn't get you you can look forward to gangrenous legs in your old age, bits of your body just rotting away still attached and dying in instalments for you, rotting and stinking while you're still alive and then they have to cut them off and you wake up after the operation wheezing and burning with pain and gasping for a fag. Meanwhile the tobacco companies sponsor sport and fight off advertising bans and look forward to all the new markets in the East and the Far East and more women taking up the weed to show they can be brainless fucks too, and suits with worm-shit in their brains go on television and say, 'Well, nobody's actually proved how tobacco causes cancer you know,' and you sit there seething and then you find Thatcher is taking half a million from Philip Morris for a three-year consultancy and you swear never to buy any of their products ever again but at the end of the day you still light another cigarette and suck in the smoke like you enjoyed it and make more profits for those evil fucks.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
18:32 / 23.02.03
I almost hesitate to bring this up again, but... how are we all doing?

Me: as I was, i.e. still smoking in pubs but at practically no other time - unless I bump into my library buddy who always has cigs. Went out on Friday and, despite the fact that I was the only person there who smoked, I merrily went through about twenty (over, ooh, seven and a half hours). I am truly rubbish.

However - since I am now too broke to do anything, I am going to have to stop this kind of behaviour forthwith. Ahahaha. Aha. Cough. Splutter.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
18:43 / 23.02.03
I'm now smoking herbal tobacco, 0my compromise solution for now. it's non-addictive and not harmless, but not as bad as proper baccy. So this week, haven't really smoked except in spliffs, and even during when one evening spent with my main 'smoking buddy' didn't even want one of hers.

I want to know how Bill's doing with his inhalator...

And talking to invisible_al today, know he's doing well with his 'no chocs' thing. yay him.

"Can I just be serious for a second and say that appetite gain is a bonus to giving up".

but for those of that don't, it's a pain in the arse.

grr to you, skinnyboy.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
21:50 / 23.02.03
I managed not to smoke in smoky situations twice last week, and failed to resist twice also, so perhaps 50-50. I'm thinking of buying a pipe, in order to have something to keep hands and mouth occupied but not fill with tobacco. also because a pipe will look a lot more me than an inhalator.
 
 
Jub
10:17 / 24.02.03
Sorry to sound smug and all - since I know some of you are having a hard time, but I read Allen Carrs "Easyway" to stop smoking and it really has been a piece of piss. I recommend it to anyone who seriously wants to stop smoking. It doesn't use scare tactics or other tried (and failed) methods - like will power. Instead of examining the reasons why you want to give up, it look at why you're smoking in the first place... very interesting and definitely worth it(but also patronising and very repetitious!)
 
 
Bill Posters
17:43 / 24.02.03
Me? I have had 2 drunken relapses since, er, whenever, but also several nights when I have not even bothered using the inhalator when it has been available. So kinda like Haus, a 50-50 thing. Moreover, one vital hurdle has been passed, i.e. ‘the stressful situation’ excuse. In a post above I mentioned how I relapsed after being threatened in the street. But last Saturday night, when I refused to give a total stranger £1.90, he pulled a knife, and rightly or wrongly, I felt I was in serious shit. Hellbent on not backing down an inch, I went into an off-license (thank fuck, this happened just outside it) and bought a bottle of beer, and though I didn’t do anything illegal (not even threatening behaviour, I’m not stupid and thankfully nor was this guy), the point is that I didn’t smoke when I got in that night, even though I was shaking like a leaf and damn near throwing up. But I just used the inhalator, and I didn’t drink either. So I guess that’s progress, at least as far as my nicotine addiction goes, though admittedly not for harmonious community relations in my beloved neighbourhood. (Is it any wonder I get strung out and fucked up dealing with shit like that on a regular basis, though? All I wanted to do was get home after a long day at work. ‘Kay, sorry I’ll stop whining now.)
 
 
Jub
11:57 / 04.03.03
Is anyone planning on using Lent as an excuse to stop doing anything now that New Years resolutions have failed?
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
12:53 / 04.03.03
Fucking hell. Bill, that sounds bloody horrible, and yeah, i can see it diminishing any 'hello world, what you knowin' attitude you might start off with.

But bloody well done you for not succumbing. I'd say that was a major bit of progress. good stuff.

Me? well, haven't a had a non-nerbal fag/spliff since a couple days after I posted that thread. (except on my birthday, i suspect.)

But don't even smoke the herbals as fags really, and smoking at home/'time-passing' was one of the things I wanted to kick, and seem to have done it. Have had maybe a couple in a week. and the odd spliff. these more sporadic. don't smoke everday, but have the odd night where I do. (and have had other people's with tobacco in, but i'll work on that)

And stuck to the herbals during an afternoon in the pub/dinner with my main smoking friend. Smoked quite alot of them, but defijitely far fewer than if i'd been smoking real fags.

And, am v. pleased as post birthday, there was (and is) baccy left in the flat, and i've had no desire to touch it, even when drunk.

Yay.
 
 
Whisky Priestess
12:54 / 04.03.03
Thinking of giving up chocolate - it's one of those insidious things where I don't think I eat that much but actually I probably have a little bit every day.

On the other hand, the state of my finances would indicate that it would probably be better for me to give up going out or spending any money at all, ever. I have £15 to last me until Saturday and I'll need most of that just to get to and from work. I'll let you know how it goes.
 
 
Lilith Myth
13:07 / 04.03.03
I think I eat too much food, but the troubled with giving up food is that you starve. I eat the wrong food, that's my problem - utterly addicted to sugar/chocolate type stuff, and find myself saying I won't la de dar, and then next thing I know I've had two chocolate bars. I'd be interested to hear if anyone has any ideas about how to stop: I've tried lots of (crap) ways.
 
 
invisible_al
14:01 / 04.03.03
Well I seem to have managed quitting chocolate by sheer bloody mindedness, helps if you get angry at all the chocolate thrust at you by the world immediately after you quit.
Also I'm settled for Flapjacks being my 'energy' snack along with apples and satsuma's. Don't know if there is any evidence that Flapjacks are 'better' than chocolate but they've got unprocessed and processed sugar in them and fruity bits, which seem better than chocolate.
Being skint and not taking money into work might have helped to, I'm doing the packed lunch thing with fruit as it's cheap. Dunno if that helps?
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
14:38 / 04.03.03
Whisky - I sympathise. If I could, I would give up being poor for Lent and maintain that resolution for as long as poss - I currently have £3.60 and some odd coppers to last me until... until... I dunno, until Jove descends as a shower of gold - or the college decide to give me a cheque from the academic fund, and at the moment I think either is equally likely.

On the plus side it means I have been forced to give up fags and alcohol (unless people buy them for me of course). On the minus side it means I have been forced to give up food (unless people buy it for me of course, thank you very much Flowers :-) ) Panicpanicpanic.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
14:02 / 12.07.04
Back from the dead...

I managed to give up smoking very successfully for, ooh, about six weeks; then had a couple of weekends where I had one on Saturday; then on the Saturday that's just gone I slipped up and had five or so (and pinched them, horribly, from someone I'd only just met who had left them in the pub while he went to find food... cringe...)

I am anxious to stop this happening any more; apart from repeating my earlier techniques (shame, embarrassment, visualisation, feeling really ill) is there anything I can do to stop relapses?
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
14:13 / 12.07.04
Yes, but it's complicated and hard to describe on the board.

If you theif some tabs of me at the next meet I'll give you a lecture on how to successfully quit.
 
  

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