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"And Ayn Rand is, well, y'know..."

 
  

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Thjatsi
22:11 / 26.03.02
As far as the sex in "The Fountainhead" goes, Rand stated in one of her letters that it was not a rape.
 
 
The Planet of Sound
12:09 / 27.03.02
And, more importantly, don't forget that Ayn Rand was a big influence on Steve Ditko, effecting his production of many crypto-fascist comic masterpieces. And there's an Ayn Rand influenced section of the new Dark Knight Returns the Sequal Part Two, featuring the Martian Manhunter!!!!!!!
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
16:44 / 28.03.02
My sociology professor has a habit of saying (of ayn rand) "her pendulum swung a bit too far after she left Russia". But he's an old fool, so who knows what the hell he means by it.

I've read Atlas Shrugged and Anthem, neither of which I would call a "good book", but they were interesting, as far as new ideas are concerned (new ideas to me in high school, anyway). I dug the whole "I have no obligation to love anyone" deal. Some years later I went to an Objectivist meeting an heard their stuff. They could argue well, but they seemed unable to get the idea that some people are poor because they got screwed over real bad and cannot get out of the situation (for instance, sweatshop workers locked in their building, or those slaves in Brazil that are kept in a guarded camp). And the metaphysical aspect of their stance is pretty weak.

I'm not sure how I feel about Ayn Rand. I've heard she was much different in person than you would imagine her from her books. I sure didn't enjoy her fiction, though. But she did give me some new ideas, which I'm grateful for.
 
 
alas
18:59 / 28.03.02
[quote]i am an unapologetic egoist (lets not confuse this with egocentric- the ego-centric's life certainly revolves around the attention of others), in that i am happy with who i am and do not require others approval. people feel threatened by egoists, people who don't require their approval, since the non-egoist can have no control over them, which is probably at least one reason people find Rand's opinion leaves a bad taste in their mouth.[/quote]

well, no, that's not it. First, you do and always have required social approbation, or you wouldn't exist and wouldn't be able to post here. There's all kinds of scientific evidence that no person can survive, let alone thrive, without social approbation. You did not give birth to yourself. You did not cuddle and hug yourself as a child. You did not feed yourself. You did not teach yourself to read and write. You could not have learned the complexities of this language you are using in a vacuum.

The problem with liberalism is its assumption that the state of nature is the atomized isolated individual; that individuals come together after the fact of existence for protection and create social institutions.

Wrong. No human being ever existed in that kind of individualised vacuum--that's a warmed-up "adam" story if ever I heard one. we have always and already been tribal beings. Liberalism is a white western male fantasy that could only be created by the misogynistic bent of our culture, which allows them to disregard, dismiss, and forget all contributions made by others to their existence and their position of power.
 
 
Captain Zoom
19:03 / 28.03.02
I've read "Anthem". It was interesting in a preachy way. The only reason I read it at all was 'cause it was the basis for both Rush's "Anthem" and "2112". I've not felt any compunction to read any more.

Zoom.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
20:40 / 28.03.02
"Though in retrospect the Objectivists seem strange, adolescent and obsessed (and more than a few obsessive comic book readers among their ranks - not that it's a bad thing )"

Steve ditko as noted earlier, was an Objectivist. This is really clearly expressed in his creation The Question (who later was the inspiration for Rorsasch in Watchmen). Alan Grant is an Objectivist as well. For an interesting read on Objectivisim through the filter of superheroics, check the quarter bins for his Anarky series. Basicly it's the story of a 13-year old genius who through the proper abblication of Objectivist philosophy assfucks Darkseid and treats the JLA like kids. One one level it's just horrible capes and powers stuff but from someone interested in Rand or Objectivisim, it is really interesting.
 
 
alas
12:47 / 01.04.02
did I kill this thread by preaching feminism?

just curious.
 
 
Dao Jones
18:01 / 01.04.02
No. This thread is dead because almost no one except Nick has anything positive to say about Rand.

I'd be interested to hear more about your views on Liberalism, though. Another thread?
 
  

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