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Mystery Gypt
22:10 / 22.06.03
well.. hrm. i pretty much hated the split screen stuff... i think the old Electric Company tv show 20 years ago pushed that about as far as its likely to get.

though i thought it was wicked fun seeing hulk swing the tanks around and leep over canyons, i thought the action was boring. the dog scene was impossible to even see through the darkness, the fighting in the trees almost like crouchinig tiger satire; the fight at the end was even worse -- he wasn't battling a villain, he was entangled in a THEME. yuck.

however...

contrary to every voice so far... i thought the script was fantastic. i thought the interconencted, multi-hued structure about fathers, psychical trauma, the past & the present and the explosion of interior into exterior to be sublime. the story really worked for me, and it was about something people could relate to. i wouldn't have expected anything nearly as valuable from the hulk -- which as a comic, WRITING WISE, i only found slightly interesting when it when against concept (ie, when he could talk). pages of hulk-smash artwork never moved me storywise. i actually thought they did a brilliant job of transposing a core concept into a character driven storyline that made sense as a movie.

if it had been a completely different movie, ALL smashing and chasing Terminator style, i would critique it on those grounds... but after an initial "damn, there should have been better action," i find the movie taken on its own terms to be rewarding. and much, much more entertaining than spiderman, which was about nothing.
 
 
aus
05:43 / 23.06.03
I agree with Mystery Gypt about the writing. It was the drama rather than the monster that impressed me. However, I differ in that I liked the split screen stuff.

This is one of the URLs where I have posted a review.
 
 
some guy
16:34 / 23.06.03
I loved everything about it except the pointless Absorbing Man stuff. The edits/wipes/panels were great, I bought the Hulk CGI, and it passed the key superhero script test (which is that I would have enjoyed the movie even if the Hulk didn't show up).
 
 
Mr Tricks
17:36 / 23.06.03
Totally Dug it!!!

Saw it twice this weekend!!!

Thought the split-screen-wipes-etc... where great. Alternating between a 70's T.V.show and a moving comics pages. Loved how more than once the film played on the actual surface of the screen (the Gamma irradiation scene comes to mind) then dove into a more naturalistic style of storytelling once the Hulk appeared.

The story was a bit convoluted but still enjoyable, the underlying theme played out with the mistakes of an older generation spilling out into the lives of the next was cool, especially with the tone of the toys of war.
Was it me or where those actors picked to play the President & Condilisa Rice hilarious or what?

The Hulk Dogs where much better than I thought & that whole sequence sort of spilled into Dream time.
Let's here it for location!!! Berkeley Labs all the way, should've had a handfull of stoners enjoying the view of the Bay when the hulk busts out of the labs and jumps off into the night!!!

Kick Nolti as the evil father was an enjoyable twist. David Bannor experiments on himself...that was right out of the TV series wasn't it?

Betty was played interestingly (imo), Beautiful to behold of course. There was a sort of greek tragidy at play with her falling in love with Bruce and her father finding out who Bruce really was... much better than 2 hours of HULK SMASH.
Best sequence... Hulk saving the Golden Gate Bridge from f15 pilots. Was getting some vertigo as that plan made for the stars then of course "Puny Human"

The Absorbing Man wasn't absolutely needed but certainly brought me to age 12... particularly the ZZZax reference.

& doc banner in South America!!! He better go see a local Shaman and take some Ayuasca in the sequel.
 
 
grant
19:00 / 23.06.03
I liked it.

Comic geek: It seemed to get all the myth bits from the Hulk origin right, and added this pretty interesting father/son thing to it. Tim Burton tried to fiddle with Batman in a similar way, and wound up bugging the hell out of me. But this didn't. He jumped right, too. It was also satisfying that the big baddie in this movie was another gamma radiation monster, created by replicating the Hulk-making accident. Because that's the way it ever was....

TV nostalgia: There's a Lou Ferrigno cameo and probably the best iteration of "You're making me angry. You won't like me when I'm angry..." I could wish for, in an unexpected but perfect place. Also, I like the way the retconning took into account the David Banner vs. Bruce Banner name thing.

Film geek: there's a scene where Lee seems to acknowledge the resemblance, as the Hulk catches his reflection in a pool of water.

Dude - that's from Frankenstein. There's lots of other movie quotes scattered throughout.

But my favorite bits were Ang Lee's own. I'm likely to remember the dream image of the jellyfish over the desert sky for a long, long time. Beautiful and perfect. And the repeated comparison of the Hulk to the old, twisted, dead trees was kinda interesting. Radioactive desert creatures.

The acting is also fine, fine. They all knew about things like "subtext" and how each character worked into the theme, which was mainly about sins of fathers going down to the next generation... and about the fragile myth of the nuclear family. Which is an old theme, but they're all pretty old, when you think about it.

My nine-year-old companion also gave the movie a thumbs up, but says that the introduction took too long. It's true - there's a lot of set-up.
 
 
PatrickMM
19:14 / 23.06.03
I saw it yesterday, and enjoyed it quite a bit, certainly more than Spider-Man or Daredevil, and I even liked it a bit more than X2. Unlike the other films, I haven't read any Hulk comics, so I can't say if it was a good adaptation or not, but as a film it worked. Spoilers below.

The best part of the movie for me was the comic style construction of the frame. There were a lot of really memorable shots, particularly the helicopter sequence, and the sequence where Nolte's eyes remain on the top of the frame while events go on on the bottom. Someone brought up Requiem for a Dream before, and I did see a bit of similarity between the techniques, and I loved them in both films. The split screen worked completely, and it felt very fresh and new. And the use of the Marvel font throughout the film was nice to see.

The Hulk himself worked. The first scene felt a little awkward, but by the end, I had stopped looking to see if he was cartoony, and just looked at him as a character. The fight with the tanks was excellent, and the fighter plane sequence, where he's carried into the stars was quite impressive.

And the final fight sequence didn't feel quite right with the plot, but was so visually impressive I didn't care. It reminded me a lot of Miracleman, with the superhero as God in the clouds. The lightning and the still shots really worked, and it made me really want a Miracleman movie.

What didn't work? The concept, the general and the character names felt a bit dated. Thankfully they avoided any awful lines, and cheesy lines in general, something that Spider Man and X-Men couldn't do, but the script still felt a little weak. And the CG wasn't entirely convincing. Also, the film felt like it ended, and then the Nolte fight scene was put in after, just to clear up that plot thread.

Still, it was a fun film, and a good mesh of personal conflict with action, worth seeing, and not deserving of the massive backlash I've been seing on message boards.
 
 
aus
04:50 / 24.06.03
There's a bit of what Australians call "the tall poppy syndrome." It's like some people are thinking "how dare they try to make a serious film for adults out of a cartoon character?" I also think there's a touch of racism involved in some of the comments I've seen.

And not because the HULK is green, either, though that would make sense. Those green men, they're all the same...
 
 
Laughing
05:01 / 24.06.03
...a better analogy would be if Ang Lee did this movie and the title role was played by Chevy Chase. Painted green. -- Nailbunny

Dude, I would SO watch that.

I haven't seen the movie yet, but I'm looking forward to seeing it this weekend. Most of the people I've asked so far had only bad things to say about it, but I'm optimistic. Bad script, so-so CGI, weak story, whatever -- these things won't matter to my inner 13-year-old when I see huge green fists smashing tanks left and right.

And I'd love to see a Miracleman movie. Is there any talk of one? There must be a script floating around somewhere.
 
 
diz
12:19 / 24.06.03
these things won't matter to my inner 13-year-old when I see huge green fists smashing tanks left and right.

just FYI ... i saw it last night, and this is most definitely NOT and "inner 13-year old" movie. if i had gone in hoping for one, i would have been sorely disappointed.

it's a fucking great movie, but it's very brooding, and not in the stylish Batman way, but more in the "characters spend a lot of time in deep thought about pain and rage and repression and the consequences of violence" kind of way. the major scenes of violence don't really have any kind of lighthearted sense of exuberant release. they actually have a tendency to get really surreal and psychological, and the pacing is really odd.

just so you know what you're getting...
 
 
grant
13:26 / 24.06.03
The experiment Hulk trashes at Berkeley is real, according to this Nature article.

...The plot is pure fiction, but the Gamma Sphere is real. "It is the best gamma-ray detector in the world," says I-Yang Lee, the real head of Berkeley's low-energy nuclear physics programme.

...Every year, more than 300 scientists use the detector to study odd-shaped nuclei in an effort to probe some of the intractable problems of subatomic physics and astrophysics. The machine has even been used to search for violations in the laws that govern time.

...The Gamma Sphere found its way into The Hulk after Hollywood producers saw the machine's website while hunting for some real-life science to update their story. After several trips to see the machine, director Ang Lee (no relation to I-Yang Lee) shot a portion of the film at Berkeley's Advanced Light Source. "The reproduction of the Gamma Sphere in the movie is very realistic," I-Yang Lee says.

There are some notable differences between the fictional Gamma Sphere and its real-world counterpart. Most importantly, Hollywood's Gamma Sphere emits gamma rays; in reality, the machine detects them - making it impossible for the device to irradiate anyone. "We study deformed nuclei," says I-Yang Lee, "We don't deform people."


 
 
aus
15:05 / 24.06.03
"We study deformed nuclei," says I-Yang Lee, "We don't deform people."

That's what they say, those Evil Deformists of Berkeley. I know what they're up to, don't you worry about that.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
15:47 / 24.06.03
It seemed to get all the myth bits from the Hulk origin right, and added this pretty interesting father/son thing to it.

My understanding is that this actually comes from the Peter David version of the character.
 
 
Mystery Gypt
17:38 / 24.06.03
huh. and here i thought they had deliberately made that gamma machine purple to reference the hulk colors... mustve just lucked into it.
 
 
Mr Tricks
18:29 / 24.06.03
Well the Peter David Run of HULK established that the initial trauma that caused Bruce Banner's emotional repression and the subsiquent RAGE of the HULK, was witnessing the death of his mother at the hands of his father. The bit about experimenting on himself seemed pulled directly from the TV series. Marvel logic has it that Gamma irradiation will either kill you or cause a mutation that tends to reflect an aspect of your personality, either one that is repressed/diminished (HULK, Leader, Harpy) or one that is very dominant (Abomination, madman) not that this has much to do with the movie...
 
 
CameronStewart
19:39 / 24.06.03
>>>huh. and here i thought they had deliberately made that gamma machine purple to reference the hulk colors<<<

Gamma sphere aside, there were lots of purple/green colour cues throughout the film - the hospital in which Bruce makes his recovery had green walls with purple trim, for example.
 
 
grant
19:45 / 24.06.03
I also like the way the poster (see the first post in this thread) mimicks that repeated, traumatic image of David Banner reaching down to little Brucey.
 
 
PatrickMM
15:31 / 26.06.03
And I'd love to see a Miracleman movie. Is there any talk of one? There must be a script floating around somewhere.

Strangely enough, I haven't heard anything at all, which is odd considering every awful Marvel property seems to be getting bought up, while one of the best superhero stories of all time remains unclaimed. I think that a Miracleman movie might work even better than a Watchmen movie, because it is less about the form of the book itself, and more about just the plot. It's geared toward a solid two movie structure, with the first covering the first two books, and then the second focusing on Olympus. Somebody needs to get this in the works, so it can do to movie superheroes what it did to comic superheroes back in the 80's.
 
 
Jack Fear
16:10 / 26.06.03
It's unsurprising, given that the publication rights for MIRACLEMAN are the subject of a nasty, long-running dispute between Todd MacFarlane, Nail Gaiman, Dez Skinn, and (possibly) the estate of Mick Anglo. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for a movie—they can't even get the comics themselves reprinted.
 
 
Mr Tricks
18:05 / 26.06.03
I was totally reading that MIRACLEMAN movie talk as
Mr. MIRACLE: Scott Free


What a cool movie that could make eh?
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
06:37 / 28.06.03
Well, I've read enough good reviews now to be more optimistic. Am definitely going to see it. Will let y'all know what I think, if any y'all care...
 
 
Sebastian
12:30 / 30.06.03
Saw it with kid (5). The poor brat could not help but fall dead asleep by the time Bruce was taken to the desert base, no matter how enthusiastic he'd been all week to see Hulk. Of course, he missed the Hulk's rampage outta the base and desert battle. I might go with him again to see the last hour of the film. But he is already saying he doesn't want to go back. DVD or VHS then.

I think the guys doing and also investing in the movie have really missed a gold mine with this one. It'll do fine, but it could have been so fucking great. Maybe we can expect a We-Thought-About-It-Twice-Cut of the movie. There is so much potential in it.
 
 
CameronStewart
12:47 / 30.06.03
Hulk had a 70% drop off in box-office this weekend...ouch.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
13:08 / 30.06.03
Sadly, superhero movies do not equate, in the mind of studio execs, with 'edgy, intelligent, challenging narratives'.

They think: spandex, melodrama, box office, pg-rating, family movie, no-brainer, teen-angst=profundity, box office, simplicity, core American values, box office, job security, irreproachable success-pedigree, ready-made audience, box office.
 
 
deja_vroom
15:26 / 30.06.03
...sucking on Mammon's smegma, box office...
 
 
Seth
21:44 / 30.06.03
Hulk had a 70% drop off in box-office this weekend...ouch.

How well does it have to do for it to be defined as a success?
 
 
Seth
22:01 / 30.06.03
From $62 Million opening weekend to $18.5 Million in it's second

Ah. There we go.
 
 
FinderWolf
15:39 / 07.07.03
I actually thought this was pretty good - considerably better than all the predominantly negative reviews I heard & read. I think Ang Lee and his cast hit all the right notes with the Hulk. The script was a little better than I expected it to be, and the CGI wasn't too bad (better in some shots than others, obviously).

My critiques:

1) A few too many shots of genes and microbes turning green and doing shit, especially in transitions from scene to scene. We get it; we don't need to see 12 different shots (again, as transitions -- I'm not talking about shots that are part of the story or part of a scene).

2) Many reviews I'd read said something was unclear at the end, and now I know what it was. The stuff with Nolte/Absorbing Man was a little unclear -- and they didn't even really make the Absorbing Man as visually cool as he could be. The electricity/lightning Nolte was cool (made me think of the Hulk villain Zsaszz or whatever the hell his name was), but when Nolte turns into the rock guy, you can barely see him as the rock guy cause the scene was lit so dark. And then once Nolte becomes all superpowerful absorbing all the 'ambient energy' and going all Akira-like it was just a bit unclear and weird. Nolte going "Yessss!!! Give me all your power!!!" was a bit cheesy.

And on a plot note, once they saw Nolte start really ranting and raving in his one on one chat with Bruce at the start of that whole scene, and obviously trying to goad Bruce into changing into the Hulk, wouldn't they have said "OK kids, meeting's over, you're both getting sedated with tranq darts right now, boom boom"????!?!?

General Ross (cool that his code name over the radio was "T-Bolt" but no one ever actually calls him "Thunderbolt") said "the minute this guy makes a weird move, we zap him in that chair." Yet they let Nolte's clearly violent rantings go on for quite a while. It's not until after he BITES THE ELECTRIC CORD that they go "oh boy, we better put him down." I see that you need Nolte to go all Absorbing to make the scene work and move forward, but there's got to be a way to do without making Ross & his army look like they fell asleep at the wheel during Bruce & David Banner's meeting.

I liked that ONLY Bruce calls the creature "hulk" (and his acting delivery really showed that he was just searching for a word that described the monstrosity) and NO ONE ELSE CALLS him "The Hulk" for the ENTIRE MOVIE.

I would give this a solid three out of four stars, or a 7 out of 10. Pretty damn well done considering how hard the Hulk is to make work. You do get a sense of repetition, i.e. Bruce's life is fucked, he becomes the Hulk and fucks it up some more, Betty loves him but it helpless and also sick of this cycle of violence and doom, etc. etc. - but that's how the Hulk comic is, essentially. Great line when Ross says Banner is basically 'damned.' I don't need to see it twice, though.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
00:03 / 13.07.03
Yup, I thought it was much better than I feared from the reviews I've read. Beatiful and clever cinematography, great sound editing and music, CGI worked a treat, Eric Bana is such a shag. Some longueurs, particularly for little kids who were getting restlessly and leaving half way. The super stretchy shorts business was annoying and incongruous but I suppose that's true of the comic too.

Some of the imagery /symbolism is laboured and too repetitive and, particularly in the opening scenes, the acting is as flat as the colour, which was planned I guess. Papa Banner throws up so many logic holes towards the end, but I stayed wide awake and had a really good time watching.

Loved all the split screen stuff, the tricky dissolves and the brave closeups. Lots of interesting stuff in there. Amusing cameos with Stan Lee and Lou Ferrigno too.

Previews this week at the Ritzy in Brixton. Or there's always the fabulous Chopper on dvd, if you just want to fixate on Eric Bana.
 
 
Seth
10:03 / 13.07.03
(Big spoilage ahoy)

Bonkers.

I can't believe this movie even got fucking made. It's a catalogue of exploding frogs, mutilated starfish, jellyfish flying over deserts, and giant mutant poodles. At one point Josh Lucas' grenade explodes behind him, throwing him towards the camera, where he freeze frames, outlined in black, only to be consumed by flames a second later. It's the kind of manic stylisation that you expect in Charlie's Angels, and it's only one example of the way in which this movie consistently confounds expectations, daring the viewer to attempt to judge or categorise what their seeing.

The question on everyone's minds seems to be, "How believable are the special effects?" This question is rendered utterly redundant by a movie which gibbers and spasms its way to a bizarre conclusion. The film makes no pretense at realism, taking leaps into pure fantasy, surreal dream sequences, comic book page layouts, lettering and time compression techniques. Hypocritamus and I agreed that it seemed very anime in tone. Technology out of control, inevitability of fate, the sins of the father, surrealism alongside action - its the first movie I've seen which gives me hope for the live action adaptation of Evangelion. Let's hope they get Ang Lee to direct it.

Images remain in the mind long after you leave the cinema. The Hulk leaping from rock to rock, charging across the desert, hurling tanks and catching missiles. The oh-so-anime fight with the Absorbing Man, pictured in still frames as they are glimpsed within the clouds. Hulk dreaming as he drops from orbit, pitcuring himself and Banner wiping away the condensation from either side of a mirror, reaching through the glass a growling "Puny Human." The Absorbing Man becoming the elements themselves, eventualy going out of control and seeming to absorb reality itself.

Don't have any preconceptions going into this. It's weird and contrary. Lee's usual deft handling of emotions, character and acting is almost totally absent from this film - his treatment of his actors is very Kubrick, alien and jarring in places. The film is repressed for the first fourty-five minutes, just as Banner is repressed. We're given next to no insight into him, which makes the first transformation seem out of place, as if he hasn't been through enough to warrant it. That's no criticism, it's a valid choice - and a choice that's very in keeping with Banner's tendancy to bottle everything up until he explodes. I also initially had problems with the ending, as it doesn't take a genius to realise that putting David and Bruce Banner in the same room is going to cause a hell of a lot of violence. Perhaps that was Ross' intention: he realises that the only way out is to force a confrontation, knowing that the only option will be to effectively nuke these two men who he feels that he's failed.

So its just sheer unexpected lunacy from start to finish. You won't have seen anything quite like Hulk. Lee seems to have overdosed on a lethal cocktail of Kubrick, Raimi, comics and anime. I've heard reports of him personally doing the Hulk's motion capture, or trying to explain in preproduction meetings that the film should have the texture of moss growing on a log. He seems to have genuinely lost the plot, and I doubt he'll be trusted with a large budget again. I'm just very glad I'm going to see it again within the next fortnight - there's just tons of stuff in this movie to consider. The most convention trashing, exhilirating spectacle I've seen from Hollywood in years.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
18:01 / 13.07.03
Hehe, I forgot the demonic assault poodle! It was hilarious.

Great review, set, and phenomenal powers of recall.

Dreamed last night of David Bowie in an alien desert in Nic Roeg's The Man Who Fell To Earth. No surprise really, after the beautiful desert photography in Hulk and the lighting in some scenes. Clever, clever man, Lee.
 
 
A Bigger Boat
11:23 / 20.07.03
Spoilers, natch.

(and strangely enough I dreamed about 'The Man Who Fell To Earth' last night).

Was lucky enough to watch HULK again on Friday and on second viewing it's still as gloriously whacked as ever. Some of the recent TV reviews I've seen are attempting to prepare audience for the fact that HULK is not the movie they might have been expecting from the trailers. Some of the trailers running on TV now also seem to be playing up Banner's psychology over shots of the Hulk trashing shit.

I can't help but think that the people dealing with the pre-release hype on this film dropped the ball in a big way.

Lucky the film is glorious. Days after seeing it I find myself flashing back to moments from this movie: the jellyfish over the desert; Hulk's roar as he busts out of that floatation tank, like fucking primal scream therapy or something; Hulk punching a helicopter (!); Nick Nolte at turns growling then whipering his way through all that facial hair seemingly buzzing his tits off all the way throughout his performance; and moss... lots of moss.

I love the fact that the Hulk doesn't appear for almost the first half of the movie - he's repressed inside Banner and Ang Lee is more than happy to play out that tension with the audience. When's he going to lose it? When's Hulk going to bust out? And we see Hulk quite a few times - in flashes during Banner's 'internal dialogue'/breakdown scenes - before he makes his first appearance proper in the film.

The recurrant images that struck me the second time I watched spoke of a kind of wrongness intruding upon an idealised notion of what life should be or memories of what life was like. There was the army base of Banner's childhood right at the start of the film: the perfect 1950s community with ice cream parlours and Christmases and good old American values. But all around and in the background there's this harsh, unforgiving desert constantly speaking the lie of this childhood idyll. And this sense of wrongness finds its way into Betty's dream, which may itself be a childhood memory.

The wrongness invades the adult lives of Betty and Bruce at the woodland retreat they had when they were a couple. Again a place that used to hold happy associations, but has now become tainted. The morning after the dog fight Lee begins his shot in the treetops and pans down the beautifull and tranquil scenery to reintroduce us to their wood cabin, but the camera moves down further to show Betty's wrecked car in the foreground, jarring with everything else in the shot.

Then there's Betty and Bruce walking and talking, back at the military base. At first just honest communication between two people who may or may not be in love with each other - then the heavily armed military unit that's keeping Banner under 24 hour guard jogs into frame, souring this couple's future now, instead of their past. This military imposition crops up again in San Fransisco when Betty and Bruce have their only moment of meaningful contact in the entire film, but by this time it's far too late for them. This reconcilitation has to take place down the barrells of about four dozen semi-automatic rifles.

I don't know if Ang Lee wants us to believe that all these characters are damned, as General Ross thinks Banner is. Betty mentions her inexplicable attraction to emotionally distant men at the start of the movie. Hardly inexplicable, we realise, as soon as we see her relationship with her father. And even though there's a hint of bridge building between father and daughter at the end of the film, the fact is that even a year later Ross is only calling to discuss his job.

All this and a truckload of smash and bash Hulk action. What's not to like?


And finally, just because I've seen it twice now and still can't get rid of the thrill of it:

They dropped the Hulk from the edge of earth's atmosphere!!!!!!
'Puny human.'
Sheer class.
 
 
illmatic
18:12 / 20.07.03
Well, I can't give it a better review than you, Set. Saw it last night - it's frigging ace, it's less "hign octane" than X2 but in a lot of ways it's a deeper film. Seems to be a lot of Haterz out there for this one, just because it's fashionble thing to do - seriously after reading bit and pieces of reviews, I could not believe how wrong the half-witted hacks had got it. Just read a really snide review in The Independent on Sunday - oh, fuck off, stop following the bandwagon, you fucking sheep. Are you thoughts your own, or do you just parrot all the US press you read? Don't see what's so bad about the CGI either, it looked great to me - the close up shots of Hulk are brilliant.


I felt it stayed totally true to the madness that is the best of Marvel comics. Things I loved - the desert scenery - seems to be a real powerful motif here, the way it seems to be on the verge of cracking/shifting into something else; the way Ang Lee builds up the tension, slowly and the way we get an insight into Bana's intertio landscape - all the flashback shots, especially the door shaking as we build up to transformation. While I was't on the edge on my seat in the same way I was in X2, I think there really is a lot more here - less action but a lot more process, more tones and dramatic tension, rather than the schmaltzarama of Spiderman. Certainly in terms of something that stays true to the freaky cosmic weirdness of the genre, and will bear repeated watching.
 
 
Seth
21:31 / 20.07.03
Does anyone else think that Nolte is a perfect choice for Batman if they ever film the Dark Knight Returns? I've cast the movie in my head so many times, and he always comes out tops for the role.
 
 
videodrome
23:47 / 20.07.03
Illmatic:

Yeah, you're right. All of us who didn't like the film are simply arbitrary haterz. What an idiotic term, useful to reduce opinions one happens to disagree with and want to denigrate, when you're not willing to approach them rationally. If it's fashionable in the mainstream to hate the film, then is it fashionable to love it in a substream place like Barbelith? If so, where does that leave your comment?

Liking or admiring the film is quite obviously a viable option, and one I envy. If I were able to feel the same way, I'd be a lot happier having spent that time watching Lee's film instead of something else.

But it takes a large, self-centered set of balls to completely dismiss the outlook of those who watched The Hulk and thought simply, 'what an ill-concieved piece of crap'. But that's how these things work, isn't it?
 
 
illmatic
07:40 / 21.07.03
videodrome: Using the term "haterzzzz" was pretty much tounge in cheek. My apologies if it didn't come across that way. It's a totally stupid fucking term, I agree, but I think there has been that kind of reaction in the UK press. I've just been back and read your criticisms earlier in the thread, and while I pretty much disagree with you, I appreciate that they're well thought out. I can't say the same for most of the reviews I've read, who largely seem to be following the trend - they all seem to be saying "well, I bigged up the X-Men, better slag this one off" with no appreciation of the little moments which make it a great film. Seriously, I went at the last minute on Saturday night, thinking "might as well" and I was so suprised - with the reviews in mind, I thought there was a good chance it'd be an embarassing pile of jizz, but y'know, as i said above, (IMO) it was great. I thought there were so many great little moments and touches all the way through - so much to think about. I really don't think it deserves the fraction of the bad press it's got. I think Ang Lee realy showed his versatility.

It really reminded me of Sami Rami's Darkman, and I think it might get the same sort of response ie. pretty much bumming at the box office, but fondly talked of in a few years time.
 
  

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