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Moby Attacked!

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Murray Hamhandler

19:36 / 14.12.02

Hey! E. Randy! Work warning!

00:20 / 15.12.02

What no one realises is that Ms. Pasties is actually really into M theory and Transcendental Meditation, reads Kafka, knows six languages (three of them non-verbal), is a blackbelt in Tae Kwon Do, has a vinyl collection that would make even Moby jealous, and at night, she dreams of electric sheep.

Well, a girl can dream, can't she?

::a::

03:32 / 15.12.02

This whole thing has me very worried. I was in Boston that very same night, and in the failing light I could easily be mistaken for Moby.

What if that beating was meant for me?

04:01 / 15.12.02

I think this is what pisses people off about Moby: he somehow comes across as really preachy and sacntimonious where his supposedly right-on principles are concerned, yet he'll sacrifice those principles at the drop of a hat if he thinks it might sell him more records.

The reply he's always given to this criticism has been that he simply wants people to hear his music, and that's quite understandable in my opinion. You could be the best musician in the world and refuse to bow down to capitalism, but who'd hear your music?
At least Moby recognises and admits that he'd prefer more people experience his work than not, that as an artist that principle comes before most others for him, he's openly made his choice. Plenty of others, those UN luvvies and alike, don't.

Please don't take offence to this but quite possibly your hatred is partly if not wholly based upon ignorance of the man, who'd of thunk it, ignorance leading hatred?

By way, any news on Eminem's reaction to the attack?

09:06 / 15.12.02

D: You'll find that Flyboy's pretty familiar with the guy. Assumptions of ignorance are rarely good currency round here, especially couched in supercilious Yoda-speak.

Moby getting beaten up? I would have preferred an ontological beating, which would be one good reason for his Barbelith membership. That and asking him why his last decent tune was Feeling so Real.

09:12 / 15.12.02

I think it sucks that Moby got beat up but I wonder how different this thread would have been if it was Ryan Adams that got smacked around. Because I know I'd be all for that...

10:26 / 15.12.02

I like Moby, weedy boy with reedy voice and some great tunes. He should come to Bar belith to convalesce. Perhaps he will demonstrate some inherited literary and philosophical skills which don't often show in his lyrics.

But I suspect he will now become a cruel and obsessed Captain Ahab figure, epicly pursuing, to the ends of the Earth, the giant white mugger that attacked him.

He did a great show, for Hogmanay, on the esplanade at Edinburgh Castle a few years back that was the business.

14:30 / 15.12.02

Moby is pop's Ned Flanders.

Yes!

I only wish it was the direct descendant of a Delta Blues singer that had beaten him up - that, ladies and gents, would be 'hyperkarma'.

Yes! I think that's possibly what pisses me off about what he does .. the way he uses those sampled blues/gospel vocals and turns them into parts of completely lifeless l.c.d. odes to blandness. Seriously folks, that must put him in line for some small amount of pain..

I think this is what pisses people off about Moby: he somehow comes across as really preachy and sacntimonious where his supposedly right-on principles are concerned, yet he'll sacrifice those principles at the drop of a hat if he thinks it might sell him more records

Yes! That too!

But I suspect he will now become a cruel and obsessed Captain Ahab figure, epicly pursuing, to the ends of the Earth, the giant white mugger that attacked him.

Funny you should say that.. my brother's started making fucked up computer music which he plans to release under the name 'Ahab' .. as in, music which chases Moby around with a bloody great harpoon..

21:32 / 15.12.02

Don't like Moby. Don't think it's cool that he got beat up...But, it would be cool if the little "pansy" Christian blah blah blah manifested his paranormal psychic talents and turned those Boston thugs inside-out, huh? Next month's Rolling Stone: Techno-wanker Moby destroys city block with mind. Moby quoted as saying, "Don't you know all us frail-bodied, milk drinkin' mama's boys can tap into the great psychic abyss?" Then Area3 gets a telekinetic light show and junior high jocks start eyeing the skinny smelly poor kids with extreme fear...I'm sorry, I think I just ruined this thread...

Our Lady of The Two Towers

11:46 / 16.12.02

Wow, Flyboy really gets testy when he thinks I'm having a go at hip-hop. I was thinking more (perhaps I shouldn't have rashly invoked the 'n' word) of your bog-standard timewasters who fill the pages of your 'Q' magazines and your NMEs with nothing original other than a load of swearing and jokes about blowjobs. If I wanted that I'd watch '2 Kebabs a Pint of Lager and 4 packets of crisps' or whatever it's called.

Moby on the other hand, regardless of the technoswill he puts out, which I do almost like I must admit, seems the opposite, he has opinions which he's thought a lot about and is able to express them in a straightforward and sensible number, unless you think the sleevenotes in 'Play' were ghostwritten.

Scrambled Password Bogus Email

16:41 / 16.12.02

Capitalism? Because his PUBLISHER got his songs placed on advertising gigs? (which is a publisher's job).

OK, so we have the kind of music fans here who like a band up until four other people happen to get wind of them, at which point they have "Sold out, Man!".

Never mind "Got paid" for years of bullshit and poverty living on the fringe of an industry that couldn't care less.

This is the most ignorant thread Ive ever had the misfortune to stumble across.

Matthew Fluxington

16:53 / 16.12.02

OK, so we have the kind of music fans here who like a band up until four other people happen to get wind of them, at which point they have "Sold out, Man!".

No one here has said anything like that. If you would like to be directed to other boards in which that attitude is more common, I will happily supply with you URLs via private message.

For the record, it was Moby's decision to allow his music in advertisements, and he should be held accountable for that. Not everyone has a positive view of pre-existing music being used in advertisements, and the reasons for being against that sort of thing doesn't have much to do with taste elitism. This is an issue of philosophy and ethics, and I think it is reasonable to hold a person like Moby in contempt if you happen to resent the industry precedent that he set with licensing out the entirety of one of his records.

19:14 / 16.12.02

IIRC Moby is on record as stating that the only reason he allowed so many tracks to be used for advertising is because it was the only way he could get people to hear his music.

While this might offend the ethics of music fundamentalists who demand their favourite artists starve to death in garrets for their art, do bear in mind that the music industry is a business and artists are entitled to make a living.

19:40 / 16.12.02

Ah, Mu. Nice to see you read what people have written before going off on a whinge about it.

"Ignorant." How apt.

19:46 / 16.12.02

arc, there's a world of difference between a struggling unknown deciding that advertising offers a path to public recognition of their work and one of the world's most well-known artists selling the rights to everything he's ever done to whoever makes him the best offer. That difference is even more striking when that artist is constantly attempting to shove his own supposedly strongly-held ethical beliefs down the throats of whoever's around at the time.

Moby's either guilty of a whopper of a double-standard, or he's just a bit dense.

Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero

20:33 / 16.12.02

So experiencing petty feelings of pleasure at the mention of Moby being beaten is a bad thing. Okay. That's cool.

Here's the thing: I would really like to get into a fight with Kenny Wayne Shepherd. I don't like the way he rips off other guitar players' stuff and calls it his own. If I saw him in a club I like to go to, and I had a couple of drinks, I would more than likely take a swing at the guy after calling him a few nasty names.

Petty? Absolutely. I am well aware that getting into a fight with KWS wouldn't be a Good Thing for either of us. In fact, it'd probably be an incredibly stupid thing to do. That doesn't mean I wouldn't enjoy it. And I'm not ashamed to say so.

Slim, what the fuck is wrong with you? I'm genuinely baffled as to how a thug mentality like yours has made its way to Barbelith.

C'mon, that's a bit harsh. So he's not ashamed of experiencing pleasure at the mention of Moby being beaten up. Sure, he could have phrased things better, and came off sounding really insensitive (which I suppose he is, at times), but the man has nothing close to a thug mentality. And telling him, in a roundabout way, that there is something wrong with him is just silly.

Matthew Fluxington

22:16 / 16.12.02

Arcboi, to point out the painfully obvious, there are a great many ways for musicians to make a good living, if not become filthy fucking rich, without ever putting their music in an advertisement for a corporation.

I think Autopilot Disengaged made a very solid and convincing argument against artists alligning themselves with corporations in this Classic Barbelith Thread.

20:16 / 19.12.02

Thanks for the support, Johnny O. I am indeed not a "thug" nor do I hate gays, love Kevin Smith or even read Hemmingway.

As I said, I've been mugged before and you know what? I learned a lot from it. In fact, if I could go back in time and change it...I wouldn't. I consider it to be a positive experience. There were things I needed to learn and nothing drives a point home like repeated blows to the head by complete strangers. If Moby is a smart man he'll learn from his experience also. Perhaps he now knows that being alone late at night in a large city is not a good idea for a pacifist. Whether you want to admit it or not, getting mugged is not always a bad thing. Accept this and move on. Many people get beaten up at some point. It's a fact of life and there's no use complaining. I've never seen a thread that says, "Man in North Dakota mugged" with following posts expressing sadness. Why should Moby be exempt from being mugged? He deserves it as much as the next man. I feel no shame in laughing at the fact that Moby got mugged as the idea of him in a fight is quite amusing.
As for my calling Moby a "pansy". He is a pansy. I suspect my little sister could mug him too. I don't respect Moby because he doesn't deserve it. In every interview I'd read/seen him in he's come off as smug and condescending and those are the worst type of people. I truly believe that he thinks he's better than most people and for that I think he deserves a nice smack in the head. And at the MTV awards he didn't have to hit Eminem. He didn't have to swear at him. All he had to do is look like he wasn't about to wet himself. Sadly he failed as he was clearly intimidated.

22:27 / 19.12.02

You've obviously not got the faintest idea about what the word pansy actually means, have you?

At least, I hope that's the case.

22:37 / 19.12.02

Is being intimidated by people somehow offensive to you Slim?

I'd really like to know... I'm fascinated as to why this is a bad thing.

Moby doesn't deserve special sympathy when he gets mugged, but that doesn't mean that he deserves a beating either.

Our Lady of The Two Towers

09:15 / 20.12.02

Slim, you don't want to change the past. Good for you. But would you like to get beaten up again? Do you go to biker bars and loudly proclaim that everyone inside it is a faggot?

And 'He deserves it as much as the next man'? What the fuck? < needlessly inflammatory > What's your position on the raping of women?

10:24 / 20.12.02

No no no. You've got it all wrong. It's a good thing that fairies like Moby get the shit kicked out of them, because they might just learn a lesson from it and become real, street fightin' men. And God knows we need more macho bullshit in this world.

Matthew Fluxington

12:14 / 20.12.02

I am completely unconvinced that Slim is anything less than a thuggish creep who has maybe seen Fight Club too many times based on that last post. Sorry, man.

But maybe I just need to be attacked, right?

Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero

17:03 / 20.12.02

In all honesty, Slim has no idea that the word "pansy" is synonomous with "faggot" or "fairy". Seriously. He has no clue.

Even so...

And 'He deserves it as much as the next man'? What the fuck?

Keep in mind that Slim thinks of himself as the next man in this case. He's been mugged before, and you can't claim that he doesn't have a sense of empathy regarding Moby being attacked.

< needlessly inflammatory > What's your position on the raping of women?

Hey! You're right! That was needlessly inflammatory. And pretty close to crossing the line as well.

Funny how no one said a damn word to Duncan for voicing a similar opinion regarding the humor behind the idea of Moby being beaten (unless that's all been edited out or something). Not that I think anyone should or anything...

And Bio K9 makes a good point. If it had been Ryan Adams, I don't think there'd be so much "it's never funny when someone gets hit repeatedly!" and a lot more "that guy's a tool. Fuck him."

Tryphena Absent

18:06 / 20.12.02

The thing is it's quite pathetic that someone in the public eye like Moby can't present a front and tell Eminem to fuck off because he's a homophobic tosser who threatens people for no fucking reason and if he doesn't like Moby's music why's he listening to it anyway? That is the problem with Moby, he's been in the music business for years and he's constantly doing interviews and accepting awards, can he tell a pathetic upstart like Eminem to shut the hell up, apparently not.

The idea of Moby getting attacked becomes hysterical because he can't even lie/act at a massive public event and get in to a press war with Mr. I'm a trashy white rapper who pisses everyone off. I don't want someone who can't stand up for himself in the way his industry requires after a century of working in it on this board! How pants would that be.

Andrew C*** passing himself of as Haus

19:40 / 20.12.02

Well I'd beat up Pink if I had the chance...

02:04 / 21.12.02

No, you'd try and fail miserably.

Tryphena Absent

02:07 / 21.12.02

She's a scary lady.

04:29 / 21.12.02

Yeah! Fight me! I've got the thug mentality! %And I hate poofs!%

I've rephrased what Slim meant, apparently accurately, and yet this drivel continues.

Why is he a thug? Because he's been in a fight? Because he (mis-)used the word pansy?

I've been in fights, and been hurt (not my feelings, mind.) I've met women who were raped. I remain fairly sure their reaction to, and feelings about, the latter were not akin to mine to the former. That's not 'needlessly inflammatory' - it's just moronic. But, hey! I'd fight for your right to say something that stupid, too.

Moby deserves it more than the next man.

15:45 / 22.12.02

Thank god some sense is finally coming to this board. When I used the word "pansy" it was in no way a reference to homosexuality. And Johnny O is right about whether or not Moby deserves getting mugged. He deserves it as much as I did or as much as anyone else. Someone, somewhere is going to get mugged and so it might as well be Moby. In fact, I'd rather it be Moby than a pregnant woman or an elderly man.

Duncan is right, there is NO comparison between being mugged and being raped. Oooh, you get punched in the face. Big fucking deal, it's scary for 1 day and then after that it's just an amusing story to tell at parties. Rape is something entirely different. To be honest, I'm a little disappointed by the reaction of some of the posters on this board. They were obviously looking/provoking an online fight. It's a shame, really.

As far as the whole Eminem incident goes, Moby should definately be derided for being intimidated. Moby is what, 30 years old? Anyone who is that age and still hasn't learned to stick up for himself doesn't deserve my respect.

Matthew Fluxington

17:03 / 22.12.02

I think you are inferring on your own that Moby was intimidated. I saw that footage. It looked to me more like Moby was just sort of amazed by how dumb and insecure Eminem was willing to look on television. I don't think he look intimidated at all, honestly. Eminem was making himself look like a pathetic bully, and Moby was just letting Eminem hang himself with his own rope. What, should he have ran up to the podium and punched Eminem? That's ridiculous.

Ah, but I'm probably just a pansy too, right?

Andrew C*** passing himself of as Haus

08:00 / 23.12.02

Yesh you're a fucking wimp. I could take you any day of the week. Even sunday.

Scrambled Password Bogus Email

15:01 / 23.12.02

"For the record, it was Moby's decision to allow his music in advertisements, and he should be held accountable for that. Not everyone has a positive view of pre-existing music being used in advertisements, and the reasons for being against that sort of thing doesn't have much to do with taste elitism".

What are the reasons? As for not everyone having a positive view of it, I would say me least of all, since I happen to pay my rent and feed my family by composing applied music, and the best paid gigs are adverts, against which I have absolutely no prejudice whatsoever.

I wouldn't do a gig for landmines (depending on the fee, natch), but ads in themselves, so what? Faithless carting a van around to agencies playing their latest unreleased album on a sympathetic system with a biro and contracts ready to follow suit a la Moby is the hard end of cynicism and exploitation, but I very much doubt that this is how the Moby treacks were placed. He had a zeitgeist sound that happened to appeal to a bunch of mooks who wanted to flog stuff and considered his sound to perfectly fit their demographic (maaaaan). He took the lucre and had a hit album to boot.

More power to the man.

My objection is with the 'good he got a kicking' attitude, nothing else.

03:38 / 24.12.02

"What's coming to you 'll not go past you."

I dislike condescending smug pricks. Any of them. I'm glad when one of these people get a kicking. (Some people might feel likewise about me. Unfortunately, I haven't received one for some time - though have deserved it on a couple of occasions.)

The fact that this particular one makes music through theft + lame beat and track, and I have to hear it in public qualifies my feeling worthy of entry in this thread. Do you want a 100% consensus? Or just to complain when one fails to emerge?

06:39 / 24.12.02

makes music through theft

Not a fan of sampling then?

Do you want a 100% consensus? Or just to complain when one fails to emerge?

I think Flux just misses the halcyon days of yore when the majority of 'lithers were against violence and bigotry in all its forms and made their feelings known whenever questionable comments were made. But hey, you're right, this place is constantly changing.

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