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The Strobe
22:14 / 07.12.02
Surely:

"some of my best psuedo-acquaintances on the internet are gay?" has far more cachet and less actual academic substance?
 
 
autopilot disengaged
22:58 / 07.12.02
i wear eye make-up primarily because it's pretty antithetical to what males are supposed to do. many people assume i'm gay as a result. which is problematic, since i'm not.

it's also, in no small part, because i was reacting against the template set by my father. he was a skinny kid, hit puberty, took to mondo weight-lifting, long hair and prog rock. i was a skinny kid, hit puberty, started 'borrowing' my mum's skintight seventies jumpers, applying make-up, affecting the (imagined) mannerisms of a decadent poet or wired adenaline punk rush.

the most interesting thing about buying clothes, and more than that - yr whole physical persona, from accessories and hairstyle down to behaviour - are those points when you have to dare to go further. going beyond embarrassment is like shedding a skin, busting thru a taboo that was never anything more than an internalized social prejudice. essentially, that kind of projection - of spontaneous self-creation is FUN. exhibitionism is the arena in which introverts and extraverts become equal.

which reminds me - really must start my 'make-up tips for boys' thread.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
20:08 / 08.12.02
Do you feel that your clothes represent your emotions, your personality or your sexuality? Whether they are day to day wear or garments you put on specifically to go out in the evening?

My clothes represent my mood, my personality and sexuality but mostly my taste. I hate the kind of clothes that Atomic Kitten and the Sugababes wear, high street chic, an attempt to represent an age group and the kind of clothes that all those girls at school I hated wore. In fact I hate anything that makes beautiful garments look normal.

When I'm lazy I wear jeans, the rest of the time I lean towards skirts, material and cut. The reflection of self through what I wear is very important to me. Actually I think all of the clothes that I own show off my personality and my emotions are linked to them but not in a certain way. One top can mean something one day and something else another day.

As for sexuality - hmm - when I feel like a lesbian (about 50% of the time I guess) and I want to be showy I wear my blue heels. They make me feel amazing and perfect and very sure of the world around me, it seems strange to represent something in that way when it's so often connected with a male way of dressing but I suppose that it's some kind of rebellion. My clothes range from girly to androgynous and what I'm wearing usually has no bearing on my sexual preference or vice versa.


Do you buy clothes to match your wardrobe or as individual items?

I buy shoes or an item and tend to create an entire wardrobe around them. Then I go off that one item and end up throwing the most extravagant stuff and keeping the simplest pieces. I don't buy clothes, I fall for them, I'm definitely an impulse buyer and I've stopped questioning my shopping instinct because if I love something enough I'll regret it when I go back and it isn't there.

Are your clothes related to your gender, do you wear things specifically because they're masculine or feminine?

I tend to buy clothes that are related to my gender or some theme built around it. I love feminine clothes but I also love to wear things that appear completely androgynous... I take pleasure in what I wear and it really grates on me when people criticise the clothes that I really love, the best example of this is my 'British Airways' shirt. It's identified as feminine because of the association with air stewardesses but my friends pick it to pieces because it's so loud and obvious and that to some extent makes it entirely too masculine for them to cope with.

Do you own clothes that you wear to be seen in?

My carpet-bag coat also gets commented on but I don't care, I fell in love, I like people to stare at it. I don't really wear it to be seen but I wear it so that people can see the coat. Coco Chanel said that the clothes you wear should make people believe that you rather than the clothes are beautiful, I disagree, clothes can be beautiful and you should try to wear the things that you love as often as possible rather than the things that just happen to be easiest or at hand. I don't want to be seen but what I wear, well dahling, reflection of my good taste!!!

I just in denial about my wonderful new masturbation technique, or is my psychology textbook blowing it all out of it's arse?

I actually think this sounds ridiculous. Clothes can turn you in to a sexually charged black hole of erotic intention but I don't think that necessarily applies to transvestites as a rule or to anyone else for that matter. I should put it down to over-generalisation.
 
 
Jackie Susann
06:30 / 17.12.02
I don't think I can really answer all those questions, but I would like to throw out my great current fashion annoyance; the lack of exposed midriffs on boys. Whereas for casually but well dressed 20-something women, a bit of visible tummy is de riguer, you never see a boy (in my neighbourhood) exploiting the aesthetic/erogenous potential of that glimpse of skin. To be honest, I really feel like I have a right to see that bit of skin on boys, and that gendered fashion standards are quite an egregious violation of that basic human right. I am trying to put this into practice myself, being a boy, but it is difficult to manage with any consistency.
 
 
gridley
15:17 / 17.12.02
About six or seven years ago, my friend Cassendre and I were talking about how we weren't succeeding with members of the opposite sex. She was a primarilly lesbian bisexual, who was feeling suddenly interested in dating men. I was what some friends termed as "flaming straight." She decided the probably was that she dressed too butch and wiccan for the kind of straight guys she liked, and that I dressed in too much purple and necklaces and velvety fabrics for the shy girls I liked. So we agreed to fashion police each other for a while. Any time we saw the other wearing clothes that might suggest we were anything less than "hetero" we'd let them know. I have to say that I thought it was ludicrous, but in the interest of science (not to mention getting laid), I agreed.

The thing is... it worked. Men stopped hitting on me and started hitting on her. Women stopped hitting on her and started hitting on me.

It got to the point where dressing "hetero" was almost a fetish game for us. I would be like, "Aw, I so need that lumberjack shirt! It's divine!"
 
 
Mourne Kransky
16:38 / 17.12.02
Have enjoyed reading all of the above. Wondering who your control group's gonna be to balance us Barbeperves though, janina?

Do you feel that your clothes represent your emotions, your personality or your sexuality? Whether they are day to day wear or garments you put on specifically to go out in the evening?

They must do, or at least the emotions I was experiencing when I chose to put them on. I suspect the mental associations are too personal for them to be proclaim my emotional state to the world. Psychology101's association of black with depression, for instance, facile as it is, would indicate that I, and a huge percentage of Barbelites and normal people these days, should be upping their dosage of psychotropic drugs. All things being equal, I see black as neutral and functional however. Choosing to wear a colour at any point is when I make a choice, and black's only the default.
At Ganesh' mother's last wedding everyone, bride and bridesmaid included, was in black. And, apart from the food poisoning, that was a very happy day all round.
I am conscious sometimes of wearing particular clothing in order to enhance or precipitate a certain mood. I put on my ridiculous, lurid Mambo "Dead Puppies" shirt when I hope to get into a party mood at some later point. If I look ridiculous, I'm more likely to unbend and be ridiculous, and I'm such a tight-ass I need some help there.
I certainly wear my "grown up" suit and tie uniform of in order to force my head into "hardworking responsible person" mode. If I feel a bit fragile or want a favour from the gods, I may wear my lucky underpants, my sparkly socks or a garment donated by someone dear to me. The provenance will usually be more important than the look or fit or colour of the thing. Two of my favourite, happiest t-shirts eventually ended up framed on the wall in Edinburgh because of their totemic properties.

Personality? I'm a dull (and middle aged) cove so that certainly shows in a lot of my choices.

Sexuality? Like sfd and Cholister, I like to look queer but unfortunately I tend to dress seventies queer when I try it. My approach to clothing is very rooted in my late teen and early adulthood experience of reconstructing my image. When I'm kitted out in rubber or leather, I'm definitely screaming "queer" (and seventies Village People clone) but sadly the "so shag this hunk of macho perve" message is heard only within my own cranium. And by my perverted partner.

Do you buy clothes to match your wardrobe or as individual items?
I don't buy clothes. I hate shopping. I only go to clothes shops where everything costs less than a fiver and the customers are spending their pensions. Fortunately Ganesh loves to shop and knows my measurements and preferences.

Are your clothes related to your gender, do you wear things specifically because they're masculine or feminine?
I think the perve gear is all stuff with exaggerated masculine associations. In everyday wear I don't think about it much. Perhaps unconsciously gender roles creep in but I've bought clothing from the women's rails, half the time because I'm so at sea in clothes shops and half the time because I knew but didn't care. I had a lovely Hawaiian silk blouse for a while with the buttons on the wrong side. The perceived femininity of the garment was always there, in my mind at least, whenever I wore it. Since watching Ainslie in Fame Academy modelling Sinead's knickers, I've thought I might try a bit of transgression in the underwear department. Might be fun.

Do you own clothes that you wear to be seen in?
All the kilty stuff. It's not particularly comfortable to wear either, since the kilt waist is far too small for me now, but there's a buzz to be had from "looking the part" at weddings and stuff, all gussied up to add to the sense of occasion.
I'm of the generation that wears unrelieved black to funerals. My cousin turned up to my grandad's funeral in a white leather jacket and I brindled. There are certainly clothes which I rule appropriate for specific occasions, when the signals they're sending are in semaphore.
I have always had some outfits that I knew would be remarked upon and that was a large part of why I wore them: the purple tuxedo in High School, the inexcusable excess of my New Romantic phase, the green Italian silk suit I wore to be my sister's bridesmaid, the hyperbolic Goth gear of my early thirties...
Yes is the answer to that one, in short.
 
 
suds
16:44 / 17.12.02
Do you feel that your clothes represent your emotions, your personality or your sexuality? Whether they are day to day wear or garments you put on specifically to go out in the evening?i have to wear smart clothes at work, which sucks, but today i wore a rah rah skirt with a pink jumper and it was hott. i like to wear clothes that are cute. i love rah rah skirts, my jennifer herrema jeans and i've started wearing earrings. they represent my femaleness. there is no disguising my femaleness. i always dress down in the evenings if i'm going out, i'd rather be comfortable. i think that they reflect just a little of my personality.

Do you buy clothes to match your wardrobe or as individual items? i am never organised enough to match.

Are your clothes related to your gender, do you wear things specifically because they're masculine or feminine?i think rah rah skirts are mainly for girls, but i don't wear things just because they are masc/fem. i used to really hate being a girl and wear huge trews and tees but now i don't really care as much about disgusing myself because i am happier with who i am. i love being able to wear whatever the fuck i want. i am saving up for hello kitty ear muffs and i want a tutu.

Do you own clothes that you wear to be seen in? maybe my fairy wings. i don't like wearing them because one time i did one man chased me demanding i granted him a wish!

ps...autopilot's make up is a GOOD LOOK!
one.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
17:07 / 17.12.02
Crunchy - you live in the wrong neighbourhoods, you fool.

It's a bit parky for it at the moment, but you'll see plenty of male midriff flesh on display round my way during the summer.

And very nice it is too.
 
 
autopilot disengaged
17:17 / 17.12.02
originally posted by suds:
ps...autopilot's make up is a GOOD LOOK!


{{{{{{{{{ineffable waves of SMUG}}}}}}}}}}}}
 
 
Tryphena Absent
17:39 / 17.12.02
HELLO KITTY EAR MUFFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
 
Jackie Susann
18:21 / 17.12.02
BiP, what do these outfits look like? Is it a gay thing? I must know!
 
 
Ariadne
21:56 / 17.12.02
DPC, I saw loads of guys in London this summer wearing their jeans so low they were in danger of flashing. With T-shirts to their waist or higher. Maybe it'll reach your neck of the woods this summer - fingers crossed for you.
 
 
Jackie Susann
22:09 / 17.12.02
It's already this summer in my neck of the woods and, as yet, I live in hope. On the other hand, I'm happy to know I'm in the fashion vanguard.
 
 
_pin
22:24 / 17.12.02
Hehe... last nite's Christmas party eye make up was the first time my mother saw me in it... Yay! She truneled out all these lines she used when I started spiking my hair, or painting my nails, which i swear to God she first wrote and rehearsed back when decadent evil unnatural multi-millionaires invented homosexuality in the mid-80's should her kid's ever turn out gay.

It was totaly cool.

And Crunchy- I get my stomach out at each and every oppotunity, which is rare, as I have few tees that actually go high enough, and it's brass monkeying outside right now. I do rather like showing my tummy, actually, on the grounds that it's nowhere near as bad-lookin' as my upper arms.
 
 
Constitution Hill
22:46 / 17.12.02
Do you feel that your clothes represent your emotions, your personality or your sexuality? Whether they are day to day wear or garments you put on specifically to go out in the evening?

Emotions? No.
Sexuality? No.
Personality? Maybe. If I'm as scruffy as my clothes then the New Year job-hunting may not go as smoothly as a i need it to.
Day & evening? if i could wear pajamas to go out i would. But my friends won't let me, so worn out combats it is. I've basically worn the same clothes every day for the last eight months, cycling through 8 different t-shirts, 4 different tops, with the same combats, boots & hoodie. And i've been stuck in a horrendous life-type rut that whole time. So i'd say my clothes reflect my life.

Do you buy clothes to match your wardrobe or as individual items?
I haven't bought clothes in over 2 years. But i think i bought them as individual items, with only a vague regard for tonality.

Are your clothes related to your gender, do you wear things specifically because they're masculine or feminine?
Because of my frankly hideous skin problems, i can't wear anything apart from cotton & linen. If i could wear syntetics i'd wear cross-dress more.

Do you own clothes that you wear to be seen in?
FridgeMatrox can answer this one for me: "If there's a message about my personality I'd like it to be seen as "content over style". My public persona tends to swing between extrovert and withdrawn in any case. When I'm talking at 300 wpm and waving my arms about, I don't need clothes to express myself - when I'm saying nothing and holding my pint in the corner, I don't want to attract attention. Sometimes I also feel that I want to retain control over who I express myself to, and how. Using clothes would present the same image to everyone who happens to look at me."
 
 
bitchiekittie
15:37 / 18.12.02
Do you feel that your clothes represent your emotions, your personality or your sexuality? Whether they are day to day wear or garments you put on specifically to go out in the evening?

I think they represent my personality the best way that clothing can - I think my clothes are cute, but sort of childish (naughty t-shirts, tiny rocket pins, lots of stars and kiddie icons) and messy (never tucked in, ironed, and rarely co-ordinated in any way). with a definite sense of humor

I dont think my clothes really represent my sexuality, but I suppose I can only speak from my viewpoint - Im not sure what Id wear to attract whom, I just feel good, sexy, when the day permits, rather than in my clothes, which are pretty much the same from day to day, regardless of where I am (outside of work, which is another matter entirely). though admittedly Id like it if everyone who saw my outfits though "mrrrowwwlll", I really doubt that I own very many things that would ever get that response. comfort - both physically and mentally, is my main goal when choosing something

Do you buy clothes to match your wardrobe or as individual items?

individual bits, but fortunately most of the things I like are black, which happens to be easy to match with other things (as well as resistent to obvious stains, which I am rather prone to). and I tend to go into fits - I currently like red, so am buying tons of red everything, and always enjoy buying small accessories, which add to the whole thing.

Are your clothes related to your gender, do you wear things specifically because they're masculine or feminine?

I go for more feminine clothes, because I like the fit and the overall look of it. I dont wear anything baggy or shapeless, sticking mainly with form fitting clothes. and girls clothes (specifically sweaters, which get me through the winter) tend to be made of softer, more fuzzy-wuzzy stuff

Do you own clothes that you wear to be seen in?

again, most of my clothes (outside of work clothes) are all pretty much the same - snotty short and long sleeve tshirts, plain black sweaters and jackets. I have favorites, ones that I feel yummier and/or more comfortable in, that I will wear when I know Im going to "be seen", but overall, to everyone else, its all the same
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:04 / 18.12.02
I've been thinking about this recently in the light of Pinker's How The Mind Works. Leaving aside for the moment the whole smug git problem that I had with the book, he makes an interesting point about "transgressive" clothing. He suggests that wearing socially transgressive attire/adornment is a way of hinting to other members of Hom. Sap. that you are a creature of considerable resource. The theory goes that when you wear clothes that reject or seem to reject prevailing social mores, you are really saying "Hey, look! I've got something so good going on that I don't need to barter resources and can therefore cock a snook at everone! I'm loaded, me-- loaded!"

In my case, I can't say there's much of a rationale behind what I wear. I just like my clothes. If I walk into a shop and see a piece of clobber I like it tends to be black or velvety or shiny or some combination of the above. I sort of veer towards more "aggressive" bits and bobs (my bullet belt, the collar with the nails in it) because they make me feel safer. I shaved off my hair because I couldn't be arsed to maintain a mohawk anymore and I look cute bald. It's not something I've thought through.

It's been odd wearing a uniform for work. A few years ago I'd have found the notion utterly crushing, as if my identity was being undermined. Now I think of it as being undercover, disguised. People don't see me, they see a gingham blouse, a navy jumper. Their eyes skate harmlessly over the surface.

The other day a guy did suss me: he came in for baccy and Rizlas, a late-thirties dude in a woolen cap with an oh-so-discrete anarchy symbol. I clocked the cap. My rigid can-I-help-you smile relaxed a little into something slightly more sincere. He clocked me clocking the cap, and something like recognition crept into his face. He smiled back, called me 'mate'. It was strange to think that if he'd seen me in my street clothes, he might well have dismissed me as just another silly little Goth bird.
 
  

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