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grant
17:55 / 03.12.02
"Out... OUT, brief candle!"
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:07 / 03.12.02
all good poetry goes
dun-da dun-da dun-da dun-da


I thought that was Van Der Valk?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
21:08 / 03.12.02
Wasn't Alpha Flight back up in the UK Secret Wars?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
21:12 / 03.12.02
You're absolutely right, Maominstoat. Presumably so we could see that, while Earth's greatest heroes were stolen away to Warworld, at least Canada was still protected.

But conversely, didn't Van der Valk (or more precisely Eye Level?) go:

dun-dun dun-da dun-da-da dun-da-da dun da-dun

Thus makign it a spondee, a troche, two dactyls, and a packet of crisps. Can't think what dun-da-dun is - a glyconic?
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
21:15 / 03.12.02
Amphibrach?
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
21:21 / 03.12.02
That sounds suspiciously like a submersible tree.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
21:24 / 03.12.02
Actually could we agree on a standard notation? I think I may have been confused by all these das and duns. An amphibrach goes (IIRC)

da-DA-da

I was going to ask what DA-da-DA would be, but then I don't think you can have more than one stress per foot, can you?
 
 
Jack Fear
21:34 / 03.12.02
Trochee trips from long to short;
From long to long in solemn sort
Slow Spondee stalks, strong foot!, yet ill able
Ever to come up with Dactyl's trisyllable.
Iambics march from short to long.
With a leap and a bound the swift Anapests throng.
One syllable long, with one short at each side,
Amphibrachys hastes with a stately stride --
First and last being long, middle short, Amphimacer
Strikes his thundering hoofs like a proud high-bred Racer.

If Derwent be innocent, steady, and wise,
And delight in the things of earth, water, and skies;
Tender warmth at his heart, with these meters to show it,
WIth sound sense in his brains, may make Derwent a poet --
May crown him with fame, and must win him the love
Of his father on earth and his father above.
My dear, dear child!
Could you stand upon Skiddaw, you would not from its whole ridge
See a man who so loves you as your fond S.T. Colerige.


So DA-da-DA is amphimacer.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:25 / 03.12.02
Too easy, I fear. The end of the Van der Valk passage (and I;m goign to pause for a moment to love that phrase) isn't long-short-long, but long-short-(short but stressed).

Which, I think means that K-C C is right, and that we must atomise still further, in this case into a troche and an anceps. Yay us.
 
 
Jack Fear
22:41 / 03.12.02
Can I just take a moment to say Hooray! for thread drift!
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:49 / 03.12.02
Skiddaw's a bugger to climb, too...mind you, I was younger and shorter in the leg back then...
 
 
telyn
23:41 / 03.12.02
I have 'amphimacre' (or 'cretique') as long - short - long. I'm not sure where the accents would fall within that. Do accents relate to length of syllable sounds? I've got all the listed rhythms, but in terms of duration not accents.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
00:11 / 04.12.02
I rather think it depends on the language - if I've got this right, in the classical languages duration is the key (Haus, help, I can't remember this properly) and so you talk about meter in terms of numbers of feet, each foot having a certain number of syllables, in which the length of the syllables fits the type of foot. Hence iambic pentameter, a line of five iambs (short-long). I don't know how accent relates to syllable length though...

But in English it doesn't work quite like that, because it's stress rather than length of syllable which is important - which is why Hopkins' sprung rhythm works:

I caught this morning morning's minion, king-
dom of daylight's dauphin, dapple-dawn-drawn Falcon, in his riding...

It's basically iambic, but it's a stress pattern that makes it so, rather than a syllabic one. Even when English poets are more restrained you find that certain feet aren't regular within the pattern:

Care-charmer sleepe, sonne of the Sable night,
Brother to death, in silent darknes borne...

would sound ghastly if you said it

Care-charmer sleepe, sonne of the Sable night

and so on. Now someone will tell you how worng I am...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
00:38 / 04.12.02
No, you're right, as far as I can see offhand.

Ancient Greek metre is decided primarily by syllabic length, with emphasis following note also that Ancient Greek emphasis is based not on ictus but on raising, lowering or varying the tone of what is being said.

Latin poetry is more interesting, because the accent structure of the Greek verse forms it adopts interact with the ictus patterns of Latin speech, sometimes agreeing and at others diverging.

So, in either of those the existence of a new accent on the final beat of Van der Valk would probably demand a new foot. But it could in Ancient Greek at least be a Cretic, or could if the sound was not short, which, if I recall that popular band classic, it was.

Now, the guttural English are much as K-C C describes. The emphasis on stress is why feet in English poetry tend to be short (iambic, trochaic, spondaic, and rarely a proceleusmatic in sight).
 
 
kaonashi
02:19 / 04.12.02
So anyways, Hi!
Poetry hard.
Make head hurt.
Long Words.
Me go home now.
 
 
dj kali_ma
02:36 / 04.12.02
"Proceleusmatic" sounds like some ancient Greek Cuisinart. I would look up its true meaning on this here Interweb-thingy, but I'm kinda disinclined to, at the moment.

More poetry humor, some in various poetry styles, since it seems you people are warped enough to appreciate it:

http://www.modernhumorist.com/mh/0005/anagram/index.cfm

Pax,
::aphonia::
 
 
grant
15:06 / 04.12.02
So what's a paradiddle?
 
 
Jack Fear
15:36 / 04.12.02
It's one of the rudiments of drum technique. Explained hither, which is part of this larger site which also notates such arcane mysteries as flams, drags, pataflaflas, ratamacues, and the sinister multiple bounce roll.
 
 
grant
16:43 / 04.12.02
Yeah, but what's its *meter*?
 
 
Jack Fear
17:04 / 04.12.02
A full-bar paradiddle would be tetrameter, in alternating trochees and spondees.
DA-da DA-DA DA-da DA-DA.
 
  

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