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kaonashi
20:40 / 02.12.02
I feel like maybe we've started off on the wrong foot, I come in puffed up with a new idea or some such bullshit and get calmly ignored.
Being the massive egotist that I am this is slightly irritating.
So maybe I just should start off saying that I find you people interesting and amusing and that I share many of your interests. I
am a little young, and often extremely incoherent. I write poetry and fiction, and am a musician.You people are some of the only people I know that have the slightest idea what I'm jabbering about. So I've tried to test some off my ideas on you. So. Hi, I'm Puck. I have ideas and am impatient, nice to meet you.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
20:57 / 02.12.02
Welcome Puck. Are you not he
That frights the maidens of the villagery,
Skims milk, and sometimes labours in the quern,
And bootless makes the breathless housewife churn?
 
 
kaonashi
21:03 / 02.12.02
Aye I am that merry wanderer of the night

He who badly quotes Shakespeare, and still loves Sandman
after realizing what a ripoff it was.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
21:06 / 02.12.02
Thou speakst awrong,
So your pentameter's a bit too long.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
21:09 / 02.12.02
More importantly, can you put a girdle round the earth in forty minutes?
 
 
kaonashi
21:10 / 02.12.02
Pentameter? What's that?
I am proud of my excessive use of free verse.
Or maybe just Pigheaded.
But memories arise of teachers trying to
convince
that all good poetry goes
dun-da dun-da dun-da dun-da
 
 
Mourne Kransky
21:10 / 02.12.02
Some trick that though, making the housewives churn. Sounds a bit like Dale Winton in a porn film.

Iamb what iamb and what iamb needs no excuses...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
21:21 / 02.12.02
(ahem)

If I recall correctly, the response Puck gives to the fairy (hi, Zocher) is:

Thou speakst aright,
I am that merry wanderer of the night.

The second line is a complete iambic pentameter.

da-dun da-dun da-dun da-dun da-dun.

Your teachers seem to have been advancing the cause of trochaic tetrameters. Which is kinky, but admirable. Iambic pentameter is a natural speech rhythm, of the kind often adopted and adapted by that free verse which is other than prose with line breaks.

So, iambic pentamer

The topic abstract drags its weary feet,
It turns up late, and slumps down in defeat.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
21:33 / 02.12.02
Haus, you're wearing your mortarboard again, wreathed in chalk dust. How do you remember all that stuff?

Apart from the cheerily near-expletive sound of it, I like the name Puck, btw. Derives from the same root as Ellwood Dowd's Pookah too. Even cognate with the slavonic bog for god.
 
 
kaonashi
22:55 / 02.12.02
The idea being that Puck plays jester in the court of Faerie.
Mocking those who pay you, that kind of thing. As long as I was ripping off Gaiman I might as well have gone with Loki, might have fit my intentions better. No one ever takes Puck that seriously, Loki is "fire and wit and hate".

But he is also the end of everything eventually.

And oh yes, much bowing to Haus.
I am in Awe of the master, must re-read Shakespeare.
 
 
Persephone
00:57 / 03.12.02
Puck is the name of my boy cat.

Here is his picture:


And here's another one:
 
 
Jack Fear
00:57 / 03.12.02
 
 
Jack Fear
00:58 / 03.12.02
 
 
Jack Fear
00:58 / 03.12.02
 
 
Jack Fear
01:02 / 03.12.02
 
 
000
01:08 / 03.12.02
A device used to draw on a digitizer tablet.
 
 
Charles Darwin
01:22 / 03.12.02
Recently I've been sending pictures via email on barbelith website but I didn't include the barbelith link. Reason is I'm not everybody's idol and including a link to barbelith to that person I'm emailing to might turn her off. She's not the type who enjoy reading words & sentences in forum. When she's ready to read the forum articles, let someone like Rothkoid or Sax to point her here. At least I think she'll idolise someone like Rothkoid or Sax.:-)
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
01:36 / 03.12.02
On the second Puck puss pic, you can just hear him saying "Hey... how you doin'?"

Which rocks.

Of course, it falls to me to post the dumbassedly obvious:


I wonder, though, what the Shakespearean ramifications of the Puckemup would be?
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
01:39 / 03.12.02
The HTML-fu is being fixed soon. Until then - and additionally, allow me to say... fuh? I just don't understand...
 
 
kaonashi
01:42 / 03.12.02
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
I refuse to be associated with the real world in anyway!
Take it back!

Seriously though, the cats cute, and puck of pooks peak was
one of my favorite stories when I was just a wee puck.
Anything by Kipling is okay in my book.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
07:55 / 03.12.02
Aaagh! The tumbling dwarf from Alpha Flight. So wrong. So wrong. Especially when it turned out that he wasn't a dwarf at all, but the world's shortest very tall man. What kind of a secret origin is that? "I used to be a lot taller". Forfucksake.

(Alpha Flight was the back-up comic in the Transformers UK comic for a while, I think. I certainly remember reading it as a teeny. The bit where the Canadian Vandal Savage spends about ten episodes just torturing Marina taught me a lot about pacing stories. In fact, villains in Alpha Flight were always utterly shit. What about the mob boss who was overlooked by Death in the First World War, and as a result killed anyone he touched. His name was Earnest. So he became....Deadly Earnest. Absolute nobcrank. If I were in Alpha Flight, I'd want to talk to my union before even giving him the time of day, much less battling him)
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
09:02 / 03.12.02
Alpha Flight: "Though it is not my habit to discuss my sexual preference with those I fight, I am gay!" Or words to that effect. Nuff said, really.
 
 
bio k9
09:26 / 03.12.02
What do you expect from a team of Canadian superheros?
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
13:07 / 03.12.02
Vandal Savage spends about ten episodes just torturing Marina

Given that I used to know someone called Marina quite well, that's a terrifying thought. Vandal Savage better run.
 
 
Jack Fear
13:13 / 03.12.02
Really?



Hope her jaundice has cleared up. Shame about the hyperthyroidism, too. and the webed fingers & toes.

(And it's "Marrina," BTW. Two R's. Doesn't make it any less stupid, mind you.)
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
13:26 / 03.12.02
His name was Earnest. So he became....Deadly Earnest.
Assisted by his brother Brutally Frank.
 
 
grant
13:34 / 03.12.02
Thou speakst aright,
I am that merry wanderer of the night.

The second line is a complete iambic pentameter.

da-dun da-dun da-dun da-dun da-dun.


I can't get five feet out of that line. It comes out to 9 or 11 beats.
I am
that mer
ry wan
derer
of the
night

Or is it spoken as "wand'rer"?
 
 
Jack Fear
13:56 / 03.12.02
It's funny--the first thing you learn, when studying Shakespeare, is the definition of iambic pentameter. The second thing you learn is how seldom Shakespeare actually used five iambs in a row.

That's what makes his stuff dance. Straight five-over-two gets singsong and boring, but Willie the Shake was always throwing little rhythmic bomblets into his lines, like a drummer playing fills: da-DUN, da DUN and then an explosive little flammadiddle, DUN-da-da-DUN, like a trill, like a grace-note. "Trippingly off the tongue," like, and you can hear the trips, the prancing: that's what makes his work so lively.

What's interesting is that when his characters become more agitated, when their emotions get more complex, the iambic pentameter starts to break down: more and more non-iambic feet creep into the lines. In his later, darker work, there are great passages where non-iambic feet actually dominate: it's as if the words are so fraught with feeling that they can no longer skip, only stumble.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
14:19 / 03.12.02
Come on, Jack: surely that's Florence Henderson?
 
 
Jack Fear
14:26 / 03.12.02
If the mom from The Brady Bunch were indeed a goggle-eyed amphibious mutant, the show would've been a lot more interesting, methinks.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
14:37 / 03.12.02
Grant: Perhaps with an American accent, "wanderer" has three syllables. In an English accent, it is usually two. We say "Bolton Wand'rers", with the first "er" sound swallowed up. What you have if you voice the both of them equally is something in the nature of a scazon...

What it is, arguably, is a dactyl, (dun-da-da), except that the fall of the ictus would make it anapaestic (da-da-dun), which would sound very odd indeed - "wanderer" pronounced like "vindaloo". So, the dactylic element is elided further.

Compare "I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said, "two vast and trunkless legs of stone".

On one level, it's an iambic pentameter couplet (reading "traveller" as "trav'ler". But you wouldn't read it "I-MET-a-TRAV-ler-FROM-an-AN-tique-LAND" unless you wanted to be kicked to death. The mutability of the pentameter, along with the agreement and disagreement of accent and ictus, makes it, as Jack mentions, such a versatile form. It's like the dactylic hexameter in Homer - the perfectly regular hexameter (long-short-short-long-short-short-long-short-short-long-short-short-long-long-long-short-short) is the basis, but rarely actually found.
 
 
grant
15:01 / 03.12.02
Right, yeah. I was reading it like Dion (he's the kind of guy who likes to get around...) when I should have been thinking of a Virginia plantation ownah.

An old professor told me that, now that I think of it: Shakespeare's English was probably much like a cross between modern British English and Foghorn Leghorn.

Oh, and Jack, you skipped one:

 
 
grant
15:03 / 03.12.02
Damn, I just noticed Rothkoid got that one... puck it all.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
15:07 / 03.12.02
Now I have the Foghorn Leghorn Shakespeare going round my head.

"She would, I say, she would have died hereafter, son."
 
 
Mourne Kransky
16:41 / 03.12.02
The Scottish band, Finitribe, (McHipHop pioneers) produced their best album: 'An Unexpected Groovy Treat', in 1991 with the vocal assistance of the legendary groovemeister, Foghorn Leghorn, on a couple of tracks. On 'Yer Crazy', the bombastic cockerell duets with Jack Nicolson, in The Shining mode. Not many people know that.

Nary an iambus nor a spondee in audible range... Lots of fat old cock though.
 
  

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