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Quarter-life crisis

 
 
stereodee
18:56 / 08.08.01
Do you think there's anything behind the talk about crises in your mid-twenties? What is it which is causing the breakdowns and "opting out"? Increasing career pressure, a fading light at the end of the tunnel, realisation that Actual and Proper adult life hasn't quite lived up to your expectations?

Or is it a load of bullshit -- middle class neo-yuppies getting a bit upset?
 
 
Molly Shortcake
19:20 / 08.08.01
Well, I'm not sure. So as a twenty five year old I'll throw some stuff out there...

The 'adult' world expects you to conform to their dress code. Personally, I'm torn between completely conforming and going all out crazy. I like to dress weird, I also like to be left alone and treated like an adult.

Many of your peers give up things they love because it's 'kid stuff' (fringe music, video games, cartoons, comics) and they have to concentrait on 'growing up'. Hence, they look down on you.

I have 'intellectual' and 'adult' interests as well. I don't let these define me any more than watching Card Captors. Other people aren't quite as indiscriminate.

[ 08-08-2001: Message edited by: Ice Honkey ]
 
 
Mordant Carnival
20:08 / 08.08.01
Oh, man. It was great when I turned 25. I felt sad that I had passed another milestone, but on the other hand my life began to shape up in all sorts of ways. People took me more seriously than before... well, for the first time ever, if we're brutally honest here. I felt more in control, more open to new ideas, more on course with things, stronger... like I said, all sorts.

Plus I found that talking about having "achieved my first quarter century" got me extra Goth Miles.

[ 08-08-2001: Message edited by: Mordant Carnival ]
 
 
Mordant Carnival
20:15 / 08.08.01
Having said all that...

The preceding years weren't what you could call conventional. Unemployed from 18 to 21, short-term, menial jobs till 24, when I got a place on the foundation year at Uni. Perhaps if I'd gone to university at 18, got my foot on the career ladder at 21, moved in with a bloke for the first time at 23, and generally done things properly I'd be going mental about now as the emptiness of my life hit home.
 
 
invisible_al
20:44 / 08.08.01
Well considering that the last 4-5 years have been chocked full of crisis I was hoping that things would calm down a bit at 25 and I could just get on with stuff. But perhaps this is normality, hey the intitation never ends and all that.

But if people are getting sick of their lives and having a breakdown and changing stuff, thats a lot healthier than storring it up until you're 35 and then getting up on that proverbial tower with the rifle.
 
 
Dee Vapr
20:48 / 08.08.01
Peer pressure. As simple as that, I think really. By that - I mean indirect and direct, outright and generally implied, and self-generating as well. I think this is the wheel that drives the sense of loss, the inexorable sense of life slipping away too.

It's all obviously bullshit, created, but this is real: I find it increasingly difficult living a sane, free, authentic, happy existence, when the general social pressures that are coming to bear are myopic, irrational, unimaginative.

This doesn't even live under the proviso the I'm a hippy, say, or living under any other subcultural cloud either: just what makes sense to me in life seems to come tacitly and outrightly into conflict with the great mass of other, society(?!) as each year passes.

It's no myth, either, incidentally. Male suicide rates spike during this age range:

 
 
Dee Vapr
20:50 / 08.08.01
Has to be said, from a purely mental health perspective, it seems largely a male thing though.
 
 
z3r0
17:56 / 09.08.01
I'm 24 and I'm fucked up. When I get 25... *shivers in fear*
Seriously, I think that quarter-life crisis only is real if you're a non-accomplishing-anything misfit.

Oh, and, Dee Vapr, thanks for the graphic... now I know I am also a damn procrastinator...
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
08:51 / 10.08.01
My early twenties were when i was most fucked up, but I think it was a poor social life, lack of stimulation thing. These days things are much better.
 
 
No star here laces
11:34 / 10.08.01
It's also a societal pressure to acheive while young. People who are held up by the media as exceptional individuals tend to have done so by the time they are 25. If you're 18 and run your own business you are a prodigy. If you're 28 and do it, you're just another person. So it's innately depressing to reach this age and think that in the eyes of the world anything you do is no longer 'special'.

Which is obviously bullshit, but significant nonetheless. I get a pang of despair every time I read about someone younger than me who's done something amazing, and pine for all the time I wasted.

This is the age when you decide what you're going to be, what's important for you, and it means giving up a lot of stuff, no more 'keeping your options open' - thinking things over turns into 'wasting time'.

I'm depressing myself here.

Oh also, technically, 25 is the age at which you leave the 'youth' demographic. People stop targeting alcohol and soft drink ads at you and switch to mortgages and cleaning products. Sad but true - and enough to depress anyone.
 
 
belbin
21:07 / 12.08.01
Assuming this is a real phenomenon rather than just media hype some comments:

The career market has accelerated such that it now takes 5 years rather than 20 to find out that what you've been doing is meaningless bullshit. And as people are getting married and having kids later (better incomes for women, more sexual freedom), you are less likely to be in situation where responsibilities require you to work.

Another thought: The generation this is happening to would have been in their mid-to-late teens during the rave scene about 10 years ago. Are those realisations of curdled, false utopias finally coming to surface?

What role does the perception of an economic slowdown/dotcom crash/etc have on people's ambitions?

Also, why is a personal crisis being portrayed by posters as a bad thing - isn't alienation and identity collapse a perfectly rational repsonse to 21-century consumer captialism?
 
 
GRIM
11:01 / 13.08.01
"Another thought: The generation this is happening to would have been in their mid-to-late teens during the rave scene about 10 years ago. Are those realisations of curdled, false utopias finally coming to surface?"

They had a Utopiamn vision?
I never saw one, and I was stalked by a raver chick for about a year, who sent me all sorts of garbled weirdness.
As far as I can make out, their idea was "Wouldn't it be great if everyone just did E and like... loved each other".
Not the most inspiring ethos.

"What role does the perception of an economic slowdown/dotcom crash/etc have on people's ambitions?"

I'm a digital/website designer.
I fear for my livelihood. It gives everything a depressing fretful edge.
 
 
Molly Shortcake
16:33 / 13.08.01
quote:I get a pang of despair every time I read about someone younger than me who's done something amazing, and pine for all the time I wasted.

Most of these people come from rich, sucessfull famlies. A leg up and an atmosphere of confidence can do wonders. How many 13 year olds could afford drum machines a decade ago? ala Aphex Twin, not many.

quote:Technically, 25 is the age at which you leave the 'youth' demographic. People stop targeting alcohol and soft drink ads at you and switch to mortgages and cleaning products.

So true, so silly. 25 is still relatively young. All that stuff in my first post is only a problem around people who take being an adult real seriously, around creative types, or a major city, it's not a problem at all.

[ 13-08-2001: Message edited by: Ice Honkey ]
 
 
netbanshee
16:59 / 13.08.01
I guess I'm on the cusp of the age bracket (soon to be 24) and can't help feeling / noticing the same sort of pressures and ideas in the surroundings. Right now, I have two months to consider making a big move (for what reason?) or a small one since my lease is almost up and I have no specific direction to go in per se.

So should it be "back to the drawing board"? Plus this is one year post-college (for me) when everyone who ran with the pack, so to speak, gets that dose of being untethered from purpose. But on the other end, by getting some plans together, the possibility of investing in them now may help ensure I don't have to bust my ass as much later.

Is that "edge" worth it...certainly helps in some situations. I mean if you have the energy and you're not comfortable with where you're at in life, doesn't it feel good to utilize it?

quote:I'm a digital/website designer.
I fear for my livelihood. It gives everything a depressing fretful edge.

I hear this...fucking internet bullshit...just position yourself for the next crest...
 
  
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