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Filth 6

 
  

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Boy in a Suitcase
02:55 / 21.11.02
Well?
 
 
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03:20 / 21.11.02
It's out? Don't even have it yet.
 
 
RadJose
05:07 / 21.11.02
ust got it... still processing it... tho i must say i do like how Tex was handled... yeah i laughed... i'm sucha 12yr old
 
 
Abraxas
15:09 / 21.11.02
Cirque de Sinistrie? Reminds me of some old foes of Captain Clyde, The Sinister Circle. I wonder if we’ll ever see that reprinted. Some of the Glaswegian based ‘lithers could probably do some valuable research work here.
 
 
kid coagulant
16:03 / 21.11.02
So 'carrier' is another term for fiction suit then? Nice to see the i-life in their new bonsai fishtank, even if it's all in Feely's head. Has Toxoplasmosis been discussed in any of the 'Filth' threads? Thought it was but I can't find anything on it. I keep on thinking of the first issue when Feely was cleaning Tony's catbox right up on top of the kitchen counter. That stood out for some reason.

The last page reminded me a little of the end of Michel Houellebecq's 'Elementary Particles', an oddly happy ending.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
16:51 / 21.11.02
The latter half of this issue was almost unbearably sad. The idea that everything in The Filth has been in Greg's mind, Tony slowly fading, the police harassment at a time when Greg's hardly at his most stable... These things may be more important than the Crack bits in the end.
 
 
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18:23 / 21.11.02
I haven't read this issue yet but I don't think I can take much more of Tony fading away. Christ, my own beloved cat died two months ago (a week after I read Filth #3, which is kinda spooky, and, coincidentaly, that's the Filth issue that moves me the most when emotionally) and, despite the fact I have a new kitten now, I'm still sad about it. I hope Tony isn't killed. I think killing cats is a pretty low way for an author to make the reader feel sad.

I hope in Filth #13 Slade leaves it all behind and he and Tony go live at an island resort or something. Yeah, I'm sure that'll happen.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
23:10 / 21.11.02
I'm sure that a protracted kitty death scene would be just as difficult for Grant to write as it would for cat-lovers to read, but I'm sure that won't preclude it from happening if Tony's death is in some way necessary to Grant's message.
 
 
Suedey! SHOT FOR MEAT!
07:09 / 22.11.02
Think this is my favourite issue so far. Dunno why, though Miss Spector helped I believe. Found her especially amusing.

Also, seems like we're finally getting somewhere... sort of. I dunno, it's far too early for me.
 
 
The Natural Way
07:41 / 22.11.02
The "is it real? Isn't it real?" thing is probably a Shrodinger's Cat. But, yes, depressing...until the end... Oh, that was great: Just when yr all "Oh, the world of The Filth is a lie, damn you, a LIE!!!" it returns with a cheeky vengeance and explains how it's going to take over the world! Huzzah.

And most of the time this ish had me in stitches, esp "DANGER!FUCK OFF!DANGER!FUCK OFF!" Only complaint's with the art - seemed a little bit more rushed than usual, but, as far as I'm concerned, even on an off day Weston's still the only artist for this title, so it's only a tiny grouch.

The ant-headed kids were great - really disturbing. And the I Life/Mold in the fishtank...eeurrgh. I used to look after the fishes in the office, until, a couple of weeks ago, I arrived early in the morning to find them all dead, everything smothered in a green, eggy fungus....there was something so horrible about it.... The fishbowl stuff really resonated with me. I keep on getting weird, dark synchronicities like this pop up around The Filth.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
11:29 / 22.11.02
the danger fuck off filth line was so effin funny!
 
 
DaveBCooper
14:27 / 22.11.02
This was pretty decent stuff, and again I got a real sense of Feely caring about his cat.

But I’m having some real trouble with the physical choreography of some of the panels – I can’t see how the Hand officer (I’ve forgotten her name, and I’m at work here) gets Porneau into that headlock thing, nor can I see how the policeman hits Feely in the gut with his truncheon in the way that the panel depicts, given where the three characters are standing in the preceding panel. Chris Weston’s a good solid artist, and it’s surprised me that I keep noticing things like this, as I hadn’t seen this in his art before – maybe I’m wrong, and I should dig out my copy of Killing Time for comparison, but it’s only in The Filth that I’ve felt it jarred and got in the way.

Those minor quibbles aside, I thought the art was generally very good, and the lettering and colouring added to it (especially with the megasperm-creatures, and the shift to monochrome for Porneau’s mansion). The story was a fair enough conclusion to the Porneau storyline, I felt, but for me the series only really tends to come alive when dealing with the Feely side of things – which seems to be taking up more pagespace in recent times. Maybe it’ll gradually take over the whole book, and issue 13 will indeed be all about Feely and his cat, dunno.

I digress; but certainly an interesting comic, and we can always do with another of those.

DBC
 
 
Warewullf
17:20 / 22.11.02
Damn, that was some comic.

This is probably obvious, but do you think that The Hand implanted the "Ned Slade" personality into Greg Feely, the way that that other Hand officer talked about re-implanting Jenesis Jones into someone else because she was too good an officer to lose?
 
 
Eskay Uno
19:17 / 22.11.02
Love the way page four works with the ad on page five: Hand forces blasting away hostile mega-sperm, protecting the sexy wwf Amazon! You miss out on stuff like this in the trades.

And sure anyone can be Spartacus Hughes, but can anyone be Dimitri the Space Monkey? Does it even matter since we're all gonna end up being Anders Klimakks anyway?

Structures and Ultrastructures. As above, so below. Everything is everything and anyone can be anyone. It all flows, like ink, like blood, like cum. So who are you fucking? And who's fucking you? We all get it both ways, even Tex.

Tex reaching out to grab the reader on page 7 reminded me of the Ring. Creepy.

Dead pussy cats, photos of creepy-crawly kids with insect heads, xxx porn scattered all about, righteous violent pigs , and one sad confused Mr. Feely. That last scene was beautifully bonkers. Pure nonesense yet very moving, and then that amazing epilogue.

Greg'll be fine. He just has to remember he's King Mob. Check out the ad on page 16.
 
 
Uatu.is.watching
00:28 / 23.11.02
I have to say, I got a little chuckle out of the suggestion that Jenisis Jones was "too good an officer to let go." I mean she kinda screwed the pooch on this assignment. Um, so to speak...
 
 
Tamayyurt
01:15 / 23.11.02
Stone K- Greg'll be fine. He just has to remember he's King Mob. Check out the ad on page 16.

I noticed this too. Very nice! I know the two comics aren't overtly connected but it would be nice to see Feely download a King Mob parapersonality (or Jack Frost deal with the Hand.) But, unfortunately, much like Angel and Buffy the stories aren't gonna spill over.
 
 
The Falcon
12:33 / 23.11.02
Oh, the 'Hitman 2' advert. My pal's got that, he showed me it the other day. I said: it's nice to see Grant Morrison play the lead in a computer game.

What about the team shot at the top of page 5? Remind you of anyone?

And some good laughs, too. Everyone seems to forget that Grant's really funny:

"Director of Butt Invaders, Butt Conqueror, Assquest, Buttkrieg, Asskrieg, Ass Destroyer, Butt Breaker..."

"A clear picture of the man and his moods is beinning to form..."

harharhar.

And then - o! Karmic balance! - Tex Porneau is assfucked to death.

And the Dutchified English at the end: "All you need is fuck, yeah?"

Best issue since #3.
 
 
Eskay Uno
16:17 / 23.11.02
Yeah, Grant's bloody hilarious. Fundraising fuckathon indeed...

Anyone else see a connection between somethin like Blake's "red right hand of God" and the Hand as cleansing agent? I'm thinking with respect to Kabbalistic ideas. The Hand as a manifestation of Geburah? Severe, unsentimental force ("You seem like a nice guy, but..."), eliminating all of the dangerous/ cancerous/ unhealthy ideas and agents that threaten the world. Don't recall this being discussed before. Any more ideas?

And for more on the Greg Feely - King Mob connection, I like seeing this series as an accounting of Mob's experiences with the Outer Church when he was captured at Dulce in vol. 2. Remember that scene where he sat all alone in a room, wasting away, everything black and white, grotesque insectoid shapes crawling along the edges of shadows? That's Greg, man, that's Greg. Didn't Weston himself draw that? There's a definite visual similarity between the Feely and Mob. Probably unintentional, but it resonates nicely.

And Duncan, did that team shot remind you of the X-men? I'm starting to see similarities between Dimitri and Wolverine myself. What do y'all think? Dimitri = Logan? "Shut up. I have a headache." SNIKT!
 
 
Ganesh
16:24 / 23.11.02
I thought this issue - and the Anders Klimaaks story in general - was the weakest since 'The Filth's inception. I'm just gathering my thought-processes to explain why...
 
 
Tom Coates
20:38 / 23.11.02
Stunning episode - the best so far - genuinely entertaining, gross and dirty. Everyone looked at me very strangely on the number six bus going home after work though...
 
 
Warewullf
23:33 / 23.11.02
Yeah, I got sidelong glances on the train to Belfast, too...
 
 
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03:15 / 24.11.02
Thoughts:

Love the first panel. Like a porn monster movie. Where are the Japanese tourists?

Can barely understand a word Spector is saying.

"Ass Destroyer": Hey, that's the name of a Whitehouse song! Wonder if GM's a fan (Tex Porneau would luv Whitehouse).

The expression on Tex's face when he is ass-raped... priceless. Same for the line "i'm Sundered".

Tony dying. Reminds me of my old cat dying. No more!!!!

"Come on Tony, you're my best pal. You're all I've got. Please don't let anything happen to you." Gets my eyes watery.

Those cops. Grrrrr.... Judgemental bastards.

The ant pictures. Well, now we know what Slade was doing with the sciccors and the ant picture in issue #3.

I hope Slade gets out of this one. How come I find the story of his personal life and his cat more interesting then all the Crack/Hand stuff?

Great last page. Reminds me of "Come To Daddy".

Got The Invisible Kingdom at last tonight too. Great new artwork there.:grin:
 
 
penitentvandal
09:05 / 24.11.02
Stone K - yeah, that hit me too, during the scene back at Greg's. It is King Mob's dream of getting fat in an armchair and knowing it was all a lie.

Ganesh - I'd be interested to know why you thought this the weakest story. I actually think it's the best issue so far, not least because we get to see it all coming together: Ned Slade's special squad going into action, the death of Tony, and, best of all, Grant Morrison's take on the current paedophile panic: a take so intelligent and brimming with wonderful human simplicity that it's worth a hundred really 'dangerous' Feral House articles by Crispin Glover et al.

I love the idea of using the adverts in a comic as some form of divination, too. Any thoughts on the significance of a bald-headed jock (in the US sense) wearing a t-shirt emblazoned with the word 'submit', in the context of the story?
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
09:12 / 24.11.02
Surely that was grant on the inside back cover? (forget the hitmanvert)

Anyone check out Stacy's ass? Cor lumey!

And Ander's Climax as a parallel for Whacko?

I mean, his two kids are both called Prince Michael. Black spunk clones, anyone?

Real machine shit this episode: the epilogue like a retelling of Quimper's 'speech' to Mob and Rogeer in the depths of Dulce.

ps. could smell the jizz of those slimy tadpoles.

barf.

extra: like ganesh, felt this was crap first read. then, once I'd bolted the door shut on my black iron prison, stripped off, surrounded myself with imported Canadian Porn mags, rolled a 'skuff' joint, I began strumming and reading at the same time:

voila!

pure black magic!

a masterpiece I tell ya.

pure black magic
 
 
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14:04 / 24.11.02
I don't think Tony's quite dead yet velvet...

I'm glad someone else mentioned that whole King Mob nightmare in Dulce scene too because i was thinking the same thing.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
14:40 / 24.11.02
Ganesh- Thank love it's not just me then.

Chris Weston's art was definitely regressing to the stuff he was doing in Invisibles, though at the bottom of Page 4 I did think the Hand were sending in a squad of Slade's to deal with the situation. And the policeman attacking Greg on page 20 was very badly done, he doesn't actually seem to be connecting, plus the fact that Greg would have to spin 180 degrees before he could be hit in the stomach anyway.

If this killer sperm is attacking women why are at least two of them going in with the 'Special Squad'?

But basically, porn. :Sigh: Oh Grant Morrison, you really are dangerous. It makes Garth Ennis suddenly look so mature. Considering the slamming he got for 'The Pro' and Warren Ellis for his 'hooker Wonder Woman' I'm a bit disappointed that Morrison seems to have escaped here. He seems to be trying to write a comedy but without any jokes. I was wondering when a dildo would turn up and wasn't surprised that anal rape turned out to be Tex's undoing. Shall I be alone in my noticing of the homosexuality-misogyny idea that Grant presented in this issue?

I presume the complete lack of decent characterisation, flimsy plot set-ups and sudden changes from scene to scene are supposed to be hilarious meta-commentary on how porn films themselves work, but it's just like with 'Existenz', if you are not going to put in any depth because the media you are criticising has none, then you run the risk of being boring, and this is what I feel Morrison does here. This whole Pornomancy gig is extremely dull, untransgressive and not actually saying anything new or interesting. Is there some Sephiroth for fighting boredom then?

By contrast the Greg Feely bits were more interesting. I just hope that next issue someone points out that you can't arrest Greg for paedophilia when there isn't any proof. Unless as someone said Greg's real and Ned is the graft on I can't see why we don't actually see any proof of noncery unless this is just exciting stuff to end off the issue. It seems that Greg has forgotten the clue to Tony's health that he got in issue 4.

But "Thank the Lord above our Laurie's safe now."?! Who talks like this?! Is issue 7 going to be written in the style of The Sun?

My basic complaint is this; When The Filth started out, Morrison as making various claims that it would be more down to earth than The Invisibles, more like real people than fashion models. He also said something about it would have more depth. So far it's shallower than a paddling pool. I like the idea of the Hand, I like seeing glimpses of the base but so far no indication of why they exist, just that they do, or what gives them the right to do what they do.
 
 
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02:52 / 25.11.02
well, I agree with the art of Weston recessing a bit, but this ain't always the case (The Crack is very well-drawn).

I disagree with the homosexuality-misogony thing. First off, Tex Porneau strikes me as more bi then completely gay (plus he insults gays and women, unless he's one of those homophobic latent types). Having said that after Morrison had some good gay characters in The Invisibles I'm a little disappointed at the nearly complete lack of homosexual characters in The Filth. I miss Lord Fanny and Jolly Roger a lot...

"Thank the Lord above..." I think it's spoofing the moral majority's reaction to what happens when anything that is found to be deviant is suppressed.

More down to earth? Well, The Invisibles never really made me sad or anything, this one does (only cuz I'm a mega cat person though). I think there's some depth here...

I'm not fond of the members of the Hand at all, they're just as bad as what they are fighting. Blood-thirsty lot... I kinda like Dmitri. Miami is just DULL. Slade's one of the only characters I like. I'm not sure if you're supposed to be rooting for the Hand though. maybe this time are no real heroes.
 
 
XXII:X:II = XXX
04:17 / 25.11.02
Tex Porneau strikes me as more bi then completely gay (plus he insults gays and women, unless he's one of those homophobic latent types).

Well, I think that was the point Grant was trying to make: that inherent in the idea of porn, and of more lacking forms of sex in general (remember, Grant said all the sex was bad sex in Filth), is that something is unfulfilled. Porneau somehow seems oblivious that he IS having homosexual relations; his language sounds like that you would find a man speaking to a sex object, especially in a sleazier het porn, talking to the hapless FedEx guy and LAPD officers as "dirty little schoolgirls" and the like. For him, it is only "fuck or be fucked," and to be fucked is to be used in a derogatory manner and discarded. Porneau hates women, and maybe it's because so few of them seem to "be fucked," and he also hates himself, so anyone who allows themselves to "be fucked" has got to be even worse than him. So in order to degrade even those women who would not willingly come to his door to be fucked and thus by proxy raise himself above all of them, he devises this plan to penetrate them so completely, the ultimate rape, the ultimate degradation.

I'm glad someone pointed out the similarity of that end scene of the nursery of Klimakks homunculi to Aphex Twin's "Come To Daddy." It was the first thing to pop into my head.
 
 
primaeval soup
12:34 / 25.11.02
Stone K: Anyone else see a connection between somethin like Blake's "red right hand of God" and the Hand as cleansing agent? I'm thinking with respect to Kabbalistic ideas. The Hand as a manifestation of Geburah?

Ho-ho… “Kabbalah,” you say?

[room fills with groans, curses, and the odd cry of “for fuck’s sake, somebody fucking SHOOT that fucker”]

Listen…

…No, listen closer

That whispering…What can that unearthly whispering be…?
 
 
primaeval soup
12:41 / 25.11.02
Geburah is the Great Initiator of the swollen headed.
 
 
primaeval soup
12:42 / 25.11.02

Uh… Is that right, Miss Fortune?

Well…(ahem)…I’m kinda swollen-headed myself, right now…How do I apply for this “initiation” you speak of?
 
 
primaeval soup
12:44 / 25.11.02
When we have learnt to kiss the rod and realise the value of astringent experiences we have taken the first of the Geburah initiations.
 
 
primaeval soup
12:45 / 25.11.02
Uh…”kiss the rod,” you say? …I don’t know…I’ve never done anything like that before…

Ah, what the hell. I’ll try anything once!
 
 
primaeval soup
12:47 / 25.11.02
Though it is not well to quench smoking flax when the flax is making an effort, it is equally evil to put up with the smouldering when what it really wants is the use of the poker.
 
 
primaeval soup
12:48 / 25.11.02
Whooaaah, there! Ooof. No, Miss Fortune…Um (yikes!) um, Miss Fortune – ohgod – Miss Fortune, please, I don’t think – oh – I don’t think –

ohgod
 
  

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