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New X-Men #137

 
  

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Elbereth
05:26 / 05.03.03
wasn't magneto the white king of the hellfire club in addition to his other hobbies?
 
 
No star here laces
10:45 / 05.03.03
Thank you Flux, it's about time someone said something intelligent about Xavier on this thread.

I think a lot of you are barking completely up the wrong tree with this character.

Xavier's dream:

1) There is nothing 'superficial' in a belief in pacifism or a belief in all sentient beings as being of equal value - these are the central tenets of Xavier's dream

I seriously doubt that Grant is calling either of these principles into question in this story arc, especially if you want to draw any parallels between NXM and the war on terror.

Xavier may well be being questioned by the 'good' mutants for the first time, but this is not the same thing as saying that his dream is irrelevant or superficial. Firstly, we should note that although the X-Men themselves may call Charles 'pompous' or make fun of him, their loyalty to him is not in question.

SEcondly it is significant that the person who is directly challenging him is Quire, who we are meant to see as an immature, self-aggrandising little twerp and who is about as far from a serious intellectual challenge to Xavier as you can get.

2) Xavier's dream is not 'in tatters' it is actually being reinforced

What's the point of this arc?

It's that mutants are capable of acting as stupidly, childishly and selfishly as any human, but the consequences are even worse.

All the superior rhetoric about 'mutant justice' and mutants being somehow intrinsically more enlightened by humans is what is in question here. Clearly mutants are no more emotionally mature than normal people and have all the same problems, except in a more dangerous fashion - i.e. the exact same central trope as Buffy.

Which means Xavier is exactly right to want to treat humans and mutants the same and encourage them to live together, becasue at root humans and mutants are exactly the same. Mutants bear the same relation to humans as teched-up westerners do to primitive tribesmen. We have all sorts of additional capabilities, but on the basic moral and emotional level we are no more developed.

The lesson that Xavier is learning is that just because he may be a more enlightened individual than many, does not mean his students are. Possibly the relationship to Xorn here is that Xorn actually has more of an idea about how to teach these qualities than Xavier does. Hence the fact that the special class learn to develop greater humanity and compassion (because they believe themselves to be inadequate) than all of X's students who believe themselves to be superior. I mean how up themselves are the Cuckoos, Quire, Slick - all of the students, in fact, apart from the special class.

"in versus out" indeed. The cuckoos are the stupidest of the lot in this sense...
 
 
Persephone
11:01 / 05.03.03
...not for long, though. With Sophie dead, they're *so* out.

"In vs. Out" in my mind is both shallow and profound. It's a barbaric concept, but it is.
 
 
Persephone
11:23 / 05.03.03
I think if I were writing this story, the next thing would be that the grieving and disempowered Cuckoos get assigned to the Special Class...
 
 
Aertho
13:51 / 05.03.03
Oooh I feel targeted.

Recently I was driving home from work and listening to a woman's ultra-conservative talk-radio program and laughing at the relative absurdity of it. Common announcements were made from her soapbox: "this is the greatest country in the world, and we have to defend it!" -justifying the Impending War®, and ensuring her ratings. A black man called in and contested that exact statement, using the words theory of America versus the practice of America. She shut him down and hung up.

I applaud Xavier's Dream -its theory. However, the practice thus far of that Dream is what I call into question. And now with all the discussion about telepath culture, I call into question even his validity as an individual -to even have a dream. His Dream may be ontologically viral, making his students loyalty a question as well.

Of course the current storyline is reinforcing the theory of the Dream, it is showing exactly the need from responsibillity and an adherence to Good. However, kids are kids. And Kids-with-Powers are superior to those without –and that's a hurdle that Xorn and Xavier are both crossing. It's a psychological one, one that proves difficult with all these immature telepaths running around.

And In versus Out, though it comes from the Cuckoos, encaspulates EVERYTHING and calls EVERYONE into question. Though the Cuckoos may be the highest, most exclusive, most powerful, of those "In", I've already wondered why they push "out". All cliques serve some purpose, and in their case, I think it's an intense fear of the Other. They are powerless unless they are united, and when they are, they have power over all others. Which is why I thought the inclusion of QQ in their number might prove educational for all five. The Cuckoos are FAR from blameless, and probably need Emma's help more than anyone else at the school.
 
 
Quimper
22:04 / 05.03.03
While the Cuckoos were part of the solution at the Riot, they are part of the problem too if you look at NXM in the "in vs. out" porthole. Basically, Xavier is trying to converge opposites, inside and outside. Inside, he has become more like Cassandra, less tolerant of the status quo (the "chimpanzee politics" line still makes my jaw drop). Outside, he wants mutant and human to be together. The Cuckoos support the binary mentality of "this or the other." Or do they? Maybe they just want to hang out with themselves. Is that so wrong? I think a lot of people suck and I don't want to hang out with them for no other reason than they aren't like me. But I guess that is what Xavier is trying to eliminate on a much grander, and less personal, scale.

It's funny how the Cuckoos could have been talking to the crappy Marvel solicitations (which includes that obnoxious intro page). The solicitations hyped Riot at Xavier's up as "youth vs. experience." People like them always miss the point.

Xavier has quite a task. Making sure every mutant uses their powers responsibly in peaceful coexistence. Or, to put it in "real" terms, making sure everyone isn't an idiot. Good fucking luck! It makes me think of the "Be Like The Boy" episode of the Simpsons. The problem with everyone letting loose was that some people were just fricking stupid and not funny. The same with mutants. Some of them are just jerks. Maybe that's why some of us seem Anti-Chuck lately. His Dream is impossible.
 
 
Andrew C*** passing himself of as Haus
04:38 / 24.03.03
Well I came. in my pants.

Where did you all find out about 'the world, the devil and the flesh' storyline?
 
 
Mike-O
07:07 / 24.03.03
Go read the NXM #142 column... that should help u out, bub.
 
 
Elijah, Freelance Rabbi
18:50 / 27.03.03
finally got un moping and drove accross town to get my 3 monthes worth of comics.

I suppose since everyone here thinks it was silly ill not post my theory about dressing like QQ...damn...

I really liked the issue, although parts of it were un-memorable for me. I liked cyclops being a bad ass, i didnt like not knowing who the guy with the goatee was until the claws popped out...

Overall i think the issue here is morrison trying to get away from the Matrix parallels. Matrix is about fighting the system by removing yourself from it, IE winning the game by not playing. Unlike the Matrix chars QQ tries to win the game buy destroying the field.

Or i could be wrong...but i think since NXM is more likely to reach the un-initiated perhaps a more subtle approach to QQs revolution would be in order...
 
 
The Natural Way
08:32 / 28.03.03
Teenagers aren't big on 'subtle'.
 
  

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