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So... what exactly is a "fiction suit?"

 
  

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18:20 / 20.11.02
Okay, I'm going to try to sort this out now. Bear with me as I try to sum all this up.

The universe, our physical 3D reality as we know it, is in fact a larval stage, the chrysalis that is Horus, waiting to be born (you could call this state Osiris). We are all the larva of 5th dimensional magic mirror entities (according to the script), but we don't perceive ourselves that way because, living in a 3D world, we can't see things from above, like the gnostic Sophia we've been blinded by the physical world and we can only see in the linear. Horus the starchild cannot be born (and likewise the universe as a larval stage) cannot evolve until we become self-aware of what we truly are: a massive reality shift triggered by a critical mass of human thought is needed for us to evolve to the next stage of our evolution, the supercontext, where all is one and everyone gets what they wants because they'd be like... gods or something.

Time is a hologram with dimensions, all happening at once. But there are places existing outside of time, outside of the universe hologram: Our universe is the cross-section of two hyperuniverses, one healthy, one sick. The healthy one is trying to save us before it disengages from it's sick twin (I guess they disengage in 2012). This is where the gnostic theory is important. Anyway, because time in the Invisibles cosmology is not linear, analomies that do not make sense if you think in linear terms suddenly make sense (like an Archon appearing in 2012). Because time is "One simple, obvious thing" bits and pieces of us can exist anywhere on the time spectrum. Takashi states something along the line that time is flat (like a game board) and can only be accessed from "above", which is what the timesuits (and the fiction suits) are for. Robin uses the time suit in 1998 and goes "above" the board, seeing everything at once. I presume A'Dreams does something similiar to this. In The Invisibles time is a repeating fractal leading up to one final event: The death of the larval stage and the birth of Horus (one birth, one death to use an earlier quote posted here).

Anyway, what John and KM see in Philadelphia, as noted earlier, was the evolutinary process seen from above, perceived by our limited 3D organic consciousness. They see a discarded time suit. John tries it on and becomes a 4D being, and realises what the universe really is. He steps off the board, as said earlier, then re-asserts himself into the "game" at various points.

What Jack sees at the end of 3.2 is how humans really look: brain-trees, a "finger" of the universe, etc. This is what humans look like when they leave their bodies behind and advance to the next mode (as Tom said humans had to do waaaaaay back in Volume 1).

Time begins to speed up as we near 2012 because the larva is beginning to gain a type of self-awareness (note the speaker at Dulce in Black Science 2 that says this complexity is a sign that the larva is getting self-aware of itself). By 2012 humans finally figure out what they are and the Supercontext assimilates us (just as the Archons are assimilated when they realise what they truly are, both at Westminster Abbey and in 2012 (though in that former case Jack probably sees them as "not-self" elements that must be merged with, just as John A'Dreams merged with his "not-self" when he allowed himself to be modified by the Outer Church. The battle between The Invisibles and the Outer Church is needed because it helps the larva develop a sense of self-awareness, as I pointed out above (and is mentioned in the final issue). But I digress.

How do the Invisibles figure into all this? The Invisibles, like everyone else, are an aspect of the mass cosmic spell designed to bring Horus into birth. As Dane noted the Invisibles are "doctors of the soul". Somehow the universe is stuck in the larval stage and needs to get out of it. The Invisibles main mission is to get the universe to that next stage, out of the larval stage, to wake us all up, they are the Gnostic messengers (just like the Blind Chessman/Gnostic Satan serves as a messenger of sorts and the first Invisible). The only problem is their method of doing this is flawed, but they fix that in Volume 3. As Flint says, the Invisibles are an immune program triggered by the Barbelith buoy when the game crashed and embedded the player (The magic mirror god that goes both backwards and fowards?) The Invisibles is an antibody fighting a virus (the virus being the archons preventing humanity from knowing about the supercontext and the 5d universe: they don't want the change to happen, they want to be in control forever. They fear change, as Fanny points out to Quimper in "Black Science 2", while Fanny, an Invisible, is represented by the butterfly, a creature that goes through a chrysalis phase). This whole inocculation/anti-body theme is mentioned in the final issue as being crucial to the larval's sense of self-awareness. The Invisibles, Miles et al. are all part of that spell, and both the Invisibles and Sir Miles work for the Harlequin/King of Yellow Scarves, a 4D entity working to get humanity out of the larval stage ("Prepare for download"). When the universe becomes the supercontext and the Barbelaith (a life support system/placenta that needs to die so the universe can evolve) "dies", it says "Prepare for download". The evolution process has gone back on course, the Archon "computer virus" has been defeated, and the metamorphisis can begin. In this manner the Invisible spell/computer virus protection software was a success. Humans slough off their bodies and become 5D magic mirror entities (though I'm not sure if we're the brain trees at the prsent moment and, at the merge of the Supercontext, leave behind both our 3d organic bodies (our physical bodies) and our 4D body representations (the brain tree that unites us all?) to become the 5D magic mirror beings. But becoming the brain trees seem to make more sense as it implies a sense of cosmic unity. Whatever). We have lost the sense of individual self and not-self and merged into... well, whatever it is the Supercontext is, I'm still not quite certain. Anyway, the anti-bodies are the grays, but they're just a mask worn by the larval stage to get us to the state of realising what we truly are (just like the archons are a mask created to bring about the sense of conflict the larval being needs to get a sense of self-awareness and bring about it's existence). Of course, that's just one way of looking at the whole thing.

I'm sure I glossed over a lot of shit and I know I'm still missing a lot here but I'm trying to play Devil's advocate and really try to see things from the non-linear perspective (though some of these points I have made in previous threads). Reading it now it just strikes me as the jargony gibberish I usually try to avoid, but maybe all of you are rubbing off on me.

Christ, I've gone through a lot of Tylenols trying to make sense of this blasted threasd. From now on I'm sticking to "Penis in comic" threads.
 
 
some guy
19:13 / 20.11.02
I think one of the problems here is that some people are lucky enough to either have read Anarchy For The Masses or have read every GM interview going.

According to Amazon.co.uk this is being rereleased by Disinformation...
 
 
arcboi
19:13 / 20.11.02
Interesting stuff Sypha. Incidently, what Jack sees at the end of 3.2 appears to be humans as 'worldlines' - the path they trace through time. I think GM would have been better off just describing it as such.

Another point - the idea of humanity being merged into one entity is also explored in the Japanese anime series NEON GENESIS EVANGELION. This series has plenty of mystical shit to keep you on your toes, but it's always underplayed in the series itself (I'd recommend it if you liked The Invisibles). The confusion at the end of that series led to death threat letters. I wonder if GM had the same?
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
19:20 / 20.11.02
'Once I was a little light' -

did wee kwimpy say this? - canny mind.

If so, then yeah, now that you're a superdense black iron prison of a lad, any previous self you indeed were, is bound to seem light.

did you know a teaspoon's worth of quimper weighs more than 1 billion (giant)lord fannys?


anyway, I really appreciate all the posts on this thread (apart from my own)

regarding all the debate about linear readings etc. some of you will be pleasantly surprised to hear Morrison's own feelings regarding story structure and their ease of comprehension in the new interview coming soon.

but it concerns the filth, not the invisibles.
 
 
Aertho
19:38 / 20.11.02
Thanks for the compliment, Laurence, I think it was rather brilliant myself.

Nice summation, Sypha. Makes a lot more sense to me... and I'm going to keep my John is everyone theory intact. I see how GM may have wanted us to look for white suits, but maybe The White Suits are just versions of John that retain his initial self-image.
 
 
Aertho
19:51 / 20.11.02
Pressed Post Reply too damn early.

I'm only going to keep explaining this for fun and my own process...
>>But in another sense, this isn't actually true - it is our reality that is the fetus, not humanity itself. Morrison is insistant that Quimper, Satan and John are the same person, and yet this person is not Lord Fanny ("always look for the guy in the white suit"). This is an example of what works in metaphor falling apart through a literal examination. As I said, the series is not without major flaws.

I was assuming that when John crossed over, he meshed with 5D fetus on its psychic level(I'm assuming it, the fetus, our reality, has many levels we can describe as well as die trying to explain.) Thereby combining with all psyches throughout 5D, becoming ALL personas and ALL fiction suits that exist within 4D. Satan may be the rational echo of John left within 5D, and therefore able to exist at all times and all places. Quimper is a Gray that crossed over, got corrupted and became engrossed in 4D reality. Fanny rescued him.

The Big Bang thing was the idea that IF John popped into 5D space, bigger than Time, who's to say it wasn't his popping that created the timestream backwards and forwards(like a tent)... We know Robin popped through the timestream, but she was protected by the timesuit. John's was weird.

Bleh. Does it sound like I get it more? I think I do...
 
 
The Falcon
19:52 / 20.11.02
There's 59 issues + 2 special stories. Not 64.

Ummm, I've not had the time to read all this thread, because it exploded while I was away from my computer. I'll try harder in future; really pissed off I missed the most of this.
 
 
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20:56 / 20.11.02
Sounds like you get it more? I guess. There are so many ways to read the thing and so much speculations you can create it boggles the mind. I'm starting to wish I had "Anarchy For The Masses" myself, hope they reprint it.

As for humans as "worldlines" stretching back through time... The script for 3.2 does have something like that (I think KM in 3.4 at the restaurant scene compares the Invisibles to a snake stretching through time or something with Edith on one end and them on the other) but the illustrations by Wood don't help at all in 3.2. Which is why I want to get the trade version of Volume 3 so maybe the new illustration will help me visualize it better. Mob also says they're part of a huge spell in that scene I believe, so it ties in with the whole idea of The Invisibles being a spell to awaken humanity to self-awareness. Truth be told I'm having trouble trying to visualize the whole brain tree thing so I hope the new artwork clears things up a bit.

Someone made an intersting comment here on how when you don a fiction suit you lose the memory of your former self. I found that interesting because at first I wondered how John A'Dreams could spilt into all these fragments yet not remember his previous life (or how the fragments he split into couldn't recall that they were actually fiction suits, with the exception of Flint).

God, I've probably typed the words "linear", "fiction suit" and "brain-tree" more times these last few days then I have in my entire life. Sorry my last post was so long, I just wanted to prove I'm not a total hick when it comes to theorizing/conceptual matters, though most of the stuff I said has either been said already in this thread (alebit in a scattered form) or summarizations of things I myself posted on threads previous to this. I also apologize if I back-handidly insulted anyone with my sarcasm pertaining to those people who viewed the Invisibles as a non-linear story(Runce, Yawn, et al.)

I guess if you wanted to sum up what The Invisibles is about (though that's open to debate) you could say: It's about the death of the old universe and the birth of a new one. Or, to be fancy, "The Invisibles is a cross-section view of the birth of a 5dimensional starchild", or however it was phrased.

Or, to put it country simple: Death + Birth = The Invisibles (or vice-versa).
 
 
The Falcon
00:03 / 21.11.02
Mmm-hmm. And that starchild is, according to da Mayans, supposed to be us.

I hope I don't feel like a right prick on Dec.23rd, 2012. Mind, if I do, I'm getting that fella Morrison's address to give him a right word in his ear.

And Moore'll get it after 2017 (cf: Promethea.)
 
 
garyancheta
01:37 / 14.10.08
Where does the term Fiction Suit, originate?

I've been trying my best to find where and what context the first mention of a fiction suit is from, but I can't seem to find it. Where is it in Volume 3? Where is it in the annotations?

Did this term originate from Invisibles, or is this a term Morrison has used before in other works?
 
 
This Sunday
02:38 / 14.10.08
It's in Volume Three, from memory. I think it's part of KM in the phonebooth. A story he tells?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
06:02 / 14.10.08
Issue three from a quick check, but I have the vague idea that GM was using it before that on the letters pages in volume two, I might be wrong though, it's hard to remember that I didn't really start coming on Barbelith properly until after the whole thing finished...
 
 
Mario
14:53 / 14.10.08
He's used the idea elsewhere as well. Zauriel and his flesh-suits are an equivalent concept: biological forms worn by higher-dimensional beings so they can interact with the lower world.
 
 
PatrickMM
17:01 / 14.10.08
After a quick scan through Volume III, it seems that the term is first used and defined by King Mob in the phone booth, intercut with George revealing that he's just remembered his identity is just a suit for experiencing "The Invisibles." This is in issue 3.3.
 
 
The Natural Way
07:46 / 15.10.08
To be honest, he was pretty much employing the same idea in Zenith.
 
  

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