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Writing on (music?) fandom - recommendations?

 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
11:54 / 10.11.02
Been thinking I want to do some reading around fandom and pop culture. This is something I think about alot, particularly in relation to gender/sexuality/age and pop music.

Want to check out theoretical perspectives and now have reader's access to a good university library (yay!) so anything anyone could recommend would be really great...

(Found these titles already:

The Adoring Audience Fan Culture and Popular Media, ed.Lisa A. Lewis

Theorizing Fandom : Fans, Subculture and Identity, Cheryl Harris & Alison Alexander)

Am especially interested in good stuff that deals with 'pop'(ie non-classical/jazz etc, before the pop music purists start picking holes!). music/comes from a musicological angle...

(offtopic moan: A lot of 'academic' writing about pop music is *terrible*, either reeks of the defensiveness/ need tojustify highbrow interest in lowbrow culture, in which case fuck off and study something else, or is very 'trendy vicar'. Or else is really dumb and badly written.)

Cheers
 
 
agapanthus
16:49 / 10.11.02

Starlust by Judy and Fred Vermorel - an oral history of fan-tasies. I've read extracts and this is the real deal.
The Faber book of Pop edited by Jon Savage and Hanif Kureishi. A rambling anthology of short essays, reports, extracts from novels, etc that is organised chronologically and contains some great pieces that explore the hysteria and theory of fandom.
Its not pop focussed, but one of the best music books I've read is the Punk oral history 'Please Kill Me' - by Legs McNeill and (I forget the other editor), a no holds barred set of first hand accounts of the pre-history and eventual demise of the New York punk scene.

Also, in a more theoretical mode, I'd recommend anything by Simon Reynolds, in particular The Sex Revolts: Rebellion and Rock'n'Roll, co-written with Joy Press, which is an exploration of gender in Rock/pop without being too French (post - ...) or dry.
 
 
The Falcon
22:34 / 11.11.02
I don't know if this stuff's archived anywhere, but some ofthe Melody Maker in the mid-90's was a particular joy to me. Neil Kulkarni, Jamie T. Conway, Simon Price and Taylor Parkes were all excellent journalists (in about that order) and really imbued their writing with the sense of excitement and desire that comes with music fandom. And they were smart and funny, too.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
22:52 / 11.11.02
Melody Maker's in the Bod stacks, and I can photocopy there - just not the whole thing...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
23:42 / 11.11.02
It's not music fandom, but "The Readers Feminism Doesn't See: Feminist Fans, Critics, and Science Fiction" by Helen Merrick might be interesting - it's readable in Trash Aesthetics, some of the other articles in which might also be of interest.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
14:32 / 12.11.02
Ta all, for the recommendations. That Trash Aesthetics thing, looks especially interesting:

Watson even claims that "all cinema is, to a greater or lesser extent, exploitation cinema" (82). This provocative conclusion points to the fact that the distinction between exploitation and the mainstream is artificial, socially constructed and theoretically disabling. Both Chibnall and Watson conclude that the interaction of historical, social and economic discourses on the one hand, and the interaction of fans and critics, on the other, exposes and challenges the limits of film theory and historiography

Which is one of the reasons I'm so interested in pop music fan culture, because the theory and historiography is so much less established, and I have a hunch that it's still at a stage where it can be, and is being disturbed.

But that, say as regards boy bands and 'housewives choice' stuff, there certainly are embedded structures (constructed, as per, by swm middle class journalism, according to the limits of their perceptions of these groups) which these groups disturb. And that are incredibly defensive, and therefore scathing about, for example, the motivations of young girls going to see Take That, or women in their 40s and 50s going to see Barry Manilow. Typically, the sexual component has to be airbrushed out, and this is what interests me.

from this review

And this:

Martin Barker and Roberta Pearson talk about the researcher's moral and ethical responsibility to the world they inhabit and the readerships they are analyzing. Barker focuses on an individual reader of the British comic 2000AD and the influence which the central character, Judge Dredd, has on him. This individual fan reads against the grain of dominant assumptions on the comic and describes himself as fascist, but Barker's position is not informed by the moral panic so common to media studies, rather he explores the "sociological" dimension and the investment of the reader in Judge Dredd.

Again, this got me to thinking about that whole 'do we judge pop music by its morals - the 'why do I want to jump up and down to 'Feels so (empty without me)''question. Although I have a horrible feeling if I go this route, I'm going to end up setting myself up for some long winter evenings with Uncle Immanuel.


Roberta Pearson's contribution ranks high in the collection for its important and promising observations on how computer mediated communication (CMC) affects fan culture and the nature of historical memory. Her analysis of a "virtual community" (whose status is subject to legal debate), that of the Hounds of the Internet, examines the appropriation of the figure of Sherlock Holmes by fan enthusiasts and its effects on the fans' understanding of history and historical representations

is an interseting angle on some of the discussion that's been going on round here.

Cheers, Haus. This looks great. Have you read it?

Agapanthus, although I think the Sex Revolts does valuable work, I do find its constructions of the feminine and masculine, particularly as related to specific examples of music, rather oversimplified. There's something that borders on essentialism in the examination of the work of people like Tori Amos... I'd be interested in your opinions on this?

Cheers, Kat, I might take you up on that. I know for a fact that MM don't archive their own stuff. Bet they're regretting it now - but is actually an interesting indicator of the culture of the music press... But you've given me the impetus to try and get a card for the UL Library, which I might be able to do...

I've put some of my ideas up here as I want people to pull them apart/comment on them... help me out here?
 
 
Saveloy
15:33 / 12.11.02
Not sure if this is quite what you're after (possibly too much about the music and not enough about the fans), but I've heard good things about Kodwo Eshun's More Brilliant than the Sun.



"More Brilliant than the Sun by Kodwo Eshun is a literary cultural analysis of mostly Black American music, from jazz to contemporary electronic music. Eshun concentrates on, what he calls "the Sonic Fiction of records", i.e. the story told by these songs and tracks. Especially for music with no words he very much takes in account the record's title, label and cover to draw a picture of a subcultural movement within the African-American community that goes by the name Afro-Futurism. The music he is listening to and looking at ranges from Miles Davis and Alice Coltrane to Grandmaster Flash and Jeff Mills, improvising and sampling and rhythm being some of the keywords."
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
22:48 / 12.11.02
BiP - I have a copy of "Trash Aesthetics" - the Merrick article is pretty short - about 15 pages w/o notes, but some of the other articles might be relevant as well,although the Nazi Judge Dredd fan is probably too leftfield (or possibly rightfield) to be relevant to broader enquiry...
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
22:59 / 12.11.02
But that, say as regards boy bands and 'housewives choice' stuff, there certainly are embedded structures (constructed, as per, by swm middle class journalism, according to the limits of their perceptions of these groups) which these groups disturb. And that are incredibly defensive, and therefore scathing about, for example, the motivations of young girls going to see Take That, or women in their 40s and 50s going to see Barry Manilow. Typically, the sexual component has to be airbrushed out, and this is what interests me.


I wondered whether this was in fact the case - that the sexual component has to be airbrushed out. What about all the screaming girls at Beatles concerts, passing out, pissing themselves etc? Or the women who throw their knickers at Tom Jones (though I recently saw some interview or other in which he complained that the current knickers were all clean, i.e. the gesture has become institutionalised). I wouldn't say that these are portrayed sympathetically - more as farcical or pitiful ('why can't these women get a real man to satisfy them/one day those girls will get a real man to satisfy them' etc), but I don't think they're quite airbrushed out - just marginalised and patronised, perhaps.
 
 
Pepsi Max
01:49 / 13.11.02
Sav> Whilst Eshun's book is a fascinating attempt to rewrite the history of black music, it has nothing to say about the consumption of this music and its fan base. In the introduction, he specifically positions himself against the tradition that seeks to reduce black music to 'sociology'.

For a while Eshun (along with Simon Reynolds and Sadie Plant) was involved with the now defunct CCRU, who also did some interesting stuff mixing D&G, UK dance culture, and cybernetics. The most interesting off-shoot would be Hyperdub run by Steve Goodman.

The MIPC have produced some academic stuff. Try to get hold of the Club Cultures reader. I would also suggest that Simon Reynolds Energy Flash is worth getting hold of - altho he tends to focus more on class than gender in this and he does recycle some of the essentialist constructs from the Sex Revolts and deploy them rather unthinkingly. His website is also fairly good.
 
 
Pepsi Max
05:42 / 13.11.02
I wouldn't say that these are portrayed sympathetically - more as farcical or pitiful ('why can't these women get a real man to satisfy them/one day those girls will get a real man to satisfy them' etc), but I don't think they're quite airbrushed out - just marginalised and patronised, perhaps.

Agree with this. Also the 'real man' thing works in two directions:
1. Why can't they get a real man to SEXUALLY satisfy them rather than these jumped-up puppets and dandies?
2. Why can't they get a serious musician to ARTISTICALLY satisfy them (say Ryan Adams with his soulful songwriting) rather than these jumped-up puppets and dandies?
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
11:03 / 13.11.02
Thanks all.

I don't think they're quite airbrushed out - just marginalised and patronised, perhaps

Ta Kit-Kat for that, this stuff makes me angry, so I tend to overstate my case. (Drama queeny, moi?)

I think perhaps it's more accurate to say that the *serious expression of sexuality* (especially) in middle-aged women is airbrushed from readings of (popular) culture - it's got to be menopausal madness, or mother-love..

I should say this isn't an entirely original line of thought, my starting point was an essay by Richard Smith, called something like Unmanly Men... in Seduced and Abandoned: Gay Men and Pop Music. But it's a very short, throwaway piece, and I can't find much that looks the area of fan involvement with/adoption of pop music/musicians - strategies of retelling... aside from fan-fiction, which is definitely a major response to boy bands, as Deva pointed out elsewhere, but isn't the entirety of the response. I'm interesting in how involvement in fandom has a tribal/socialising aspect , as well as how it becomes a way to express a sexuality that is often difficult/denied (thinking partiuclarly of the Barry Manilow axis here - also the fact that it provides straight female-only leisure space for women who may not have this anywhere elsoe - from some of the stuff i've read/seen, at times the performer isn't the focus, he's merely a facilitator for the space, which is something I find fascinating.)

And I'm an huge eedjut - just remembered *I* wrote an MA essay on David Bowie from exactly this viewpoint. If anyone's interested i can dig out some references.

God, my brain...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
12:06 / 13.11.02
If we're looking for middle-aged female sexual response in fan culture, how about "Feminism, Psychoanalysis, and the Study of Popular Culture", an article by Constance Penley that covers slash writers.
 
 
The Falcon
13:58 / 13.11.02
I think Harold Bloom has done some pop. culture writing as well; he's a great preponent of 'Cultural Studies' as opposed to 'English Lit.', and watches rock videos as a hobby.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
21:24 / 13.11.02
If we're looking for middle-aged female sexual response in fan culture, how about "Feminism, Psychoanalysis, and the Study of Popular Culture", an article by Constance Penley that covers slash writers

see, the ex-academic/angry young woman in me is starting to get quite excited by the my inability to find anything that really deals with this, coupled by a vague confirmsation of my hunch by others that what work exists on woman and fan response is about fan-fic/slash....

partly there's a old-skool feminist cultural history restitution issue for me, in that the history of woman fans of music/bands/scenes, 'specially regarding pop(ular) music, has pretty much been written by middle class men, about women...
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
21:25 / 13.11.02
oh , and cheers, Pepsi, for those links/refs... lots to get my teeth into...
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
21:43 / 13.11.02
See, I'm generally getting interested in how women's responses get written into/out of the historiography/narrative of pop music history, whether this is in relation to pop, rock, indie, rave/techno, drum and bass, whatever...

as well as a differing thing about where women fit in the whole emerging history of the acid house/rave/etc scenes....
 
 
Jackie Susann
02:49 / 05.12.02
This is extremely tangential, but I'd recommend - to all and sundry - The Queen's Throat by Wayne Koestenbaum, a collection of essays on (Koestenbaum's own) gay opera fandom. He's a spectacular writer with a great talent for hitting the point where there's no difference between style and insight. And some of the material he covers coincides with what you're saying about the position of the fan in critical discourse, the abject pleasures of fandom...
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
14:08 / 05.12.02
thanks crunch, i've been trying to remember that for ages, knew i'd read extracts on gay opera fandom and couldn't for the life of me remember it...

and have been thinking about (as I suspect I do with everything. in the world.) Bataille (and Bersani) pretty much in terms of fan response as abject pleasure... will chuck some half-formed thoughts up here soon. I'm beginning to see (create?) a link between the bataillean economy of excess and the kind of craziness that goes on at a Take That gig... something about female sexuality being neccessarily an excess in the sexual economy and the TT gig being a provocation/feeding/allowing of this, the abjection being revelled in, in this communal, young, female arena... In a *knowing* creation of gay male models (or model males?) as hetero lust icons; the 'boys' aren't the creators of this energy, they're merely a conduit for the overflow... they're not actually neccessarily wanting to shag the boys, they're their to *be* with their mates and mums, joining in the collective fever...

from Mark Simpson, It's a Queer World:

the entrance of the 'lads' is still some time away , but that doesn't stop the girls exercising their vocal cords and advertising their appetite... Their banners proclaim their ravenous intentions: GIVE US A SNOG, ROB and a A QUICKIE IN THE DARKIE, MARKIE. They want it now and they will not wait. I sink even lower into my seat. Byt I flatter myself - these girls aren't interested in stringy old steak like mine; they want prime pumped, waxed , tanned , moisturised boy-flesh

Can you see why I want to do this stuff?
 
 
Shortfatdyke
09:38 / 14.12.02
Probably way off the mark here, BiP, but I've been reading through the responses and all are recommending academic type works. Which is what you were after, of course, but it occurred to me that much of this stuff appears to have been written about fandom, rather than by fans. So how about checking the 'net for unofficial fan sites, or reading fanzines that focus on particular bands. If you really want to go the whole hog, join a band's fan club. You might be presented with stuff from an entirely different angle.

The subject is a fascinating one. You only have to take one example - Elvis Presley - which could keep you going for life. When I was an Osmonds and then Bay City Rollers fan, it was comparable to supporting a football team. Quite partisan. And then getting into the Sex Pistols was like supporing Leeds Utd - no one likes us, we don't care....

Of course, this is just my way of getting around the fact that I have zero knowledge about academe.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
18:34 / 14.12.02
no, no, it's a very good point. I'm coming at this from being a *fan* - (am going to have to go home and dig out my Bros fan stuff!!) and had already thought that I want to hear from the women/girls themselves rather than from yet more discourses about them by academics... as far as i can fine, the woman/feminist-authored stuff on this is by people at least one generation away, and this is something that I want to make a part of my focus - and I hope is a bit of a USP.

Have limited net access atm but am intending to do lots of hanging out on newsgroups over christmas....

cheers. any suggestions? as i know fuck-all about newsgroups etc...
 
  
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