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Intellectuals / Anti-Intellectualism

 
  

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Regrettable Juvenilia
13:50 / 12.07.01
I've been wanting to start a thread on anti-intellectualism for a while, but wasn't sure quite how to articulate it, or what I was even trying to articulate... Something about the way 'intellectualism' has become a dirty word, and how there's some valid reasons for that, but that the baby has gone flying out the window with the bathwater... Something about the way British culture in particular (and Western, English-speaking society in general) seems to have become very suspicious of people who are seen to think too deeply, of theory, etc (I'm thinking particular about how this occurs amongst supposedly well-educated, middle class liberals)... and how this crops up here now and again, too.

Fortunately, some cat at the Observer saved me the trouble last weekend by writing a piece on this very subject, here.

quote:The most revealing response was supplied by the American writer Joyce Carol Oates. 'The term "intellectual" is a very self-conscious one in the United States,' she said. 'To speak of oneself as an "intellectual" is equivalent to arrogance and egotism, for it suggests that there is a category of persons who are "not-intellectual".'

And in our egalitarian age that would not do. Americans have an abhorrence of people who, as William Styron put it, 'live in irony towers', in much the same way that the British recoil from what Orwell called the highbrow's 'mechanical sneer'. Rightly or wrongly, the idea of the intellectual is inextricably bound to a sense of class or privilege which nowadays is somehow unacceptable. It suggests a kind of effete separateness that sits uncomfortably in the mass gathering of democratic culture. Orwell wrote of the English intellectual's 'emotional shallowness, estrangement from physical reality' and 'their severance from the common culture of the country'.

'The English,' he observed, 'are not intellectual. They have a horror of abstract thought, they feel no need for any philosophy or systematic "world view".' He was writing at a time - the Second World War - when the stock of intellectuals had bombed. Yet Orwell was himself in many ways the very best kind of British intellectual: transparent, precise, unmoved by fashion, a dedicated bibliophile, with a driving moral and political conviction that informed all of his writing. He was, in short, the paradigm of the public intellectual.

...'An intellectual,' wrote Albert Camus, 'is someone whose mind watches itself.' Too often, though, intellectuals' minds have been caught not watching the world. The legacy of the twentieth century - with its modernists, revolutionaries, avant gardists, ideologists, apologists, fellow travellers, and the millions of lives destroyed as a consequence of ideas - has left the whole concept of the intellectual embarrassingly surplus to requirements.

Steiner concedes that the British distrust of 'cleverness' has played a vital part in achieving an 'ironic tolerance and political maturity that no other country can rival', as well as preventing the 'murderous ideological arguments that mark European history'. However, he suggests, 'there may be a need to rethink the contempt for intellectuals'. In denigrating intellectuals as a whole, argues Steiner, we lose 'a sense of excitement about ideas' as well as a grand scale of social ambition.


Opinions? What is an intellectual? Do you like them? Do we need them? What is intellectualism? And does it get the respect it deserves?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
15:15 / 16.07.01
Is this really less interesting than King fucking Arthur, guys? Guys?
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
15:35 / 16.07.01
I'm too stupid to post in this thread.

Does the lowering of opinion of thinkers and philosophers have something to do with WW1 when the bulk of the country that wasn't being blown to bit in France was in the factories making weapons to blow the other side to bits? Post WW1 and rights were granted to women and they wanted to stay at work, therefore a rise in the working class (I know women worked pre-WW1 but post WW1 it was almost like a 'new' working class and the start of the slow decline of the upper class) leading to a tendency to rate someone good with their hands over someone who is just good with their minds. Perhaps why the personality of the last century was voted to be Muhammed Ali rather than, say, Einstein or Foucault.

But what do I know? I'm thick.
 
 
pantone 292
18:12 / 16.07.01
quote:Is this really less interesting than King fucking Arthur, guys? Guys?
Noooooooo...
I will try and think of something here - and sthg in defense of things intellectual to which I am in thrall - right now I'm suffering from self-imposed guilt from not polishing my own ivory tower a bit harder today!
 
 
pantone 292
18:13 / 16.07.01
um, that was a bit masturbatory wasn't it?
maybe i should alter the model of the ivory object...
 
 
SMS
02:15 / 17.07.01
quote:Opinions? What is an intellectual? Do you like them? Do we need them? What is intellectualism? And does it get the respect it deserves?

I view an intellectual as one who thinks often about topics that may not have relevance on day-to-day living, but have relevance universally in life. Some characteristics do not make a person intellectual, such as hard work, compassion, brain-power, or even being an active member of the community. What I think happens is that many intellectuals compare intellectualism to these other traits and decide that the other traits are more important. And they look at themselves and other intellectuals and see that they spend quite a lot of time sitting around discussing broad topics, reading, or other similar activities when they could be spending their time more wisely.

But I think it is good to spend some of your time discussing big issues and learning about universal concepts, and I don't really see any resentment in life towards people who do these things.
 
 
netbanshee
20:11 / 17.07.01
I think SMatthewStolte hit it fairly on the head...I find people who are well-rounded in their knowledge the most appealing and worth good conversation since there seems to be a balance to their argument. Being able to see many points of view is something I find attractive and characteristic of someone who had a better idea of what life can consist of.

But doesn't it also take people who see one thing intensely to bring about new and radical ideas about a subject? For those who are a "jack-of-all-trades" there's also a tendancy to miss details...

As far as anti-intellectualism is concerned, does that point to being ignorant or actively persuing that kind of a lifestyle? Is it supposed to be an active almost post-modern reaction to the act of being an intellectual (which in some ways does take a little initial thought) or is it just being considered one of the "keep your eyes on the path ahead and don't ask questions"?
 
 
synaesthesia
20:22 / 17.07.01
Just to clarify. I take it that Flyboy is taking both a pro-intellectual and an anti-anti-intellectual stance?

Although I haven't read much from Steiner I think he's the dogs bollocks.
Brits have a schizophrenic approach to intellectuals. In one sense they don't know what to do with them. To demonstrate intellectual talent is not taken too well. Additionally there seems to be some type of barely hidden fear/anger/contempt/jealousy towards them. Something to do with the way the British class system manifests itself most likely.
Will give it some more thought.
 
 
Jackie Susann
20:59 / 17.07.01
I think it's more the fact that most intellectuals - and I mean professional intellectuals, i.e. university professors etc. - are just so fucking sheltered and withdrawn from society nobody can take them seriously. Although a lot of them will talk about the importance of a public intellectual culture, very very few seem to take that seriously - or they just mean we need to teach middle class white kids the classics.

On the other hand, there's real potential for the academy to be a vibrant and engaged part of the community. But I think talking about anti-intellectualism tends to obscure that a more pressing problem is the anti-accessible, anti-popular position of the vast majority of intellectuals.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
21:08 / 17.07.01
quote:Originally posted by Jackie Nothing Special:
But I think talking about anti-intellectualism tends to obscure that a more pressing problem is the anti-accessible, anti-popular position of the vast majority of intellectuals.


Maybe. But I'm not using the word "intellectual" to mean simply "academic"... that's kind of the association that bothers me, in a way. I think the best journalists, theorists, philosophers, political thinkers, activists, writers and artists of all kind might qualify as intellectuals (although that's not to say that anyone who does any of the above should or ought to be an intellectual by any means).

(I'm willing to concede that I may be guilty of falling into the trap of "this word means whatever I want it to mean... it's possible the word is beyind redemption/reclaiming.)

By anti-intellectual, I'm talking about the attitude that people have that leads them to distrust people who quote Foucault, and prefer to just write whatever comes off the top of their heads, forming beliefs without ever thinking too deeply about the assumptions that lie behind them, nevermind attempting to think differently than one thinks... I'm talking about the distrust of radical and/or crazy theories and ideas: and in my experience academia is absolutely rife with this attitude, hence all the professors and tutors who sneer when people start applying feminist readings to Beowulf... It's a kind of conservatism of the mind that can occur across the whole spectrum of society, and I'm certainly not arguing that people need to cut Oxbridge dons any slack or anything like that.

But you're right, the supposed centres of intellectual thought are probably the main culprits in perpetuating this dichotomy.

Argh, I'm not articulating this that well at all really, I fear. I suppose the type of thing I mean by "anti-intellectualism" has a lot in common with ideas about "common sense" - does that help at all?
 
 
ephemerat
21:25 / 17.07.01
I don’t think it’s the academies that are purely responsible for perpetuating this. Sorry this is going to ramble…

quote:Originally posted by The Flyboy:
I've been wanting to start a thread on anti-intellectualism for a while, but wasn't sure quite how to articulate it, or what I was even trying to articulate... Something about the way 'intellectualism' has become a dirty word.


What do you mean? Have you ever known a time in contemporary Britain when it wasn’t?

Sure the dictionary definition deals with cognition, with an elevated respect for the intellect and mental processes, for rational deduction, for logic. But listen to the term. Roll the word around your mouth. Feel the connotations. Intellectual.

There’s something intrinsically unhealthy about the word. Something pale and creeping. An intellectual isn’t a trusty fellow. I doubt they like football or athletics. Or are Good Christians. Or Patriots. They read too much (obviously). They pretend to enjoy incomprehensible art. Would they cover your back in a fight? Would you want them behind your back in a fight? Could you trust them there? There’s something about them… something Communist… something unhealthy… something fundamentally queer.

Look at the last 150 years from the trial of Oscar Wilde to Churchill to McCarthy, from Thatcher to Bush, from the war against Political Correctness to the Common Sense Revolution. Defining yourself as an Intellectual has connotations. There was no Golden Age of Intellectuals where they were respected and trusted and admired. That is, not by anyone except those who themselves aspired to be intellectuals.

Worrying about The Rise of Anti-Intellectualism at the moment strikes me as a Chicken-Licken cry, it’s the Fall of Standards in our Schools, it’s the State of Our Children Today, it’s the Destruction of The Family and the Collapse of Morals. It’s Nothing New.

What I’m trying to work out/wondering is what do you/we/I mean if we define ourselves as an Intellectual? Is it Chomsky declaring that "It is the responsibility of intellectuals to speak the truth and expose lies"? Or Wilde noting that some of us are looking at the stars regardless of the sewage running down our backs? Are we in fact choosing to define ourselves as somehow different, somehow special? Is it arrogance rather than intellect?

Maybe it is beyond reclamation.

[ 18-07-2001: Message edited by: ephemerat ]
 
 
deletia
21:35 / 17.07.01
Personally, I don't define myself as an intellectual. But it is interesting that I find myself profoundly unwilling to get involved in this discussion.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
21:51 / 17.07.01
Care to tell us why?

'rat, I love this paragraph:

quote:An intellectual isn’t a trusty fellow. I doubt they like football or athletics. Or are Good Christians. Or Patriots. They read too much (obviously). They pretend to enjoy incomprehensible art. Would they cover your back in a fight? Would you want them behind your back in a fight? Could you trust them there? There’s something about them… something Communist… something unhealthy… something fundamentally queer.

...especially the "pretend to enjoy incomprehensible art" bit. This is a really common, recurring accusation that always baffles me, a bit like when people get accused of "pretending to be gay because it's cool" ( ), or "pretending to hate capitalism because it's fashionable to do so". Why would anyone pretend any of these things when they get so much shit for it?

But you're almost certainly right that it's always been thus in Britain. I guess it just upsets me when it rears its head in Barbelith...

'Intellectual' is definitely a word you're not allowed to use to describe yourself, and I reckon people probably are even a bit suspicious when you use it admiringlyu to describe other people, especially people you know. I hate, hate this fact, not because I'd like to be able to call myself one, but because unless we find a new word or take away the stigma, pretty soon there won't be any of 'em left. I fear 'artist' is going the same way, although at least 'writer' seems safe for now.

I like wot Chomsky said. Although that strikes me as being everyone's responsibility...

[ 18-07-2001: Message edited by: The Flyboy ]
 
 
deletia
10:46 / 18.07.01
Why? Hmmmm...

OK, case in point. When much younger, I used to go to mIRC poetry chat channels, and used to rub up pretty badly sometimes against people whose poetry utterly sucked. Par tof this was that believed that it would be fairly difficult to write poetry successfully without having some interest in reading it. This lead to accusations of "intellectualism", and a firm conviction that anything I wrote would by definition be cold, emotionless and thus devoid of merit.

This opposition between intellect and emotion is something I come up against a lot, particular when dealing with Jojo the Special Girl, with the idea generally being that emotional or instinctive reactions are more trustworthy, whereas rational responses are suspect.

Personally, I don't observe a distinction between intellect and emotion - they both seem to part of the same linguistic system. But recently, notably in the debate on contemprary art in another thread, I have at times detected a subtext that having sources and references in an argument is "cheating" or "being clever" in a pejorative sense.

Add this idea to a thread already about intellectuals, and you risk descent into pointless recrimination. Which woudl be bad.

Thus, reluctant.
 
 
Saveloy
10:51 / 18.07.01
Ephemerat is spot on. We distrust intellectuals more than we distrust use of the intellect. Some rambling, unconnected points of my own:

As far as Britain goes, the "you think you're it, don't you?" knee-jerk reaction is common. I find myself reacting that way from time to time, though in response to different (non)provocations, more to do with status, wealth, etc. I believe it is born of several things, most notably: jealousy, fear of unfavourable comparisons, and a desire to identify and, er, destroy pomposity. Regarding that last one: can be a good thing, but we are totally trigger happy. We are always always trying to figure out the motivation behind things, the subtext and all that. "What did he mean by 'hello'?!" We have always done it, but it is rife these days what with the media deconstructing every fart of every public figure and - now - poor old Jo Public hirself. So don't expect it to get any better any time soon.

However, I'm not sure that it is entirely right to say that "the British people distrust cleverness". I think that, generally speaking, cleverness is admired and respected as a means of solving practical problems and/or acquiring personal wealth (this last one more and more these days as we are sold on the idea of us all having to be strong, independant, 'aspirational' types. Quirky ads love to flatter their target audience that they are clever for 'getting' them. Clever is very trendy, in fact). This positive attitude towards cleverness has, I think, always been there - would I be right in saying that this is a common theme of folk tales? (which I think are worth looking at here as we are talking about Jo Public, the proles, the peasants, right?) The Fool and the Wise Man being characters recognised by all cultures etc. From the pragmatic peasant's point of view, intellectuals are less deserving of respect because a) they waste their energies on non-practical problems and b) they may use their powers for, um, bad as well as good (thinking about it, intellectuals are similar to scientists in that respect). In Britain, we like to think that we are clever, pragmatic peasants.

Another observation, which I can't be arsed to work in: popular view is that hedonism is for clever people; physical pleasures are the only thing left to us that are real and honest and can be trusted. Hedonists are clever because they know this. People who indulge in intellectual pursuits are wasting time chasing insubstantial, wishy-washy pleasures. Summat like that.
 
 
ynh
19:52 / 18.07.01
Jackie, are you lumping people like Chomsky and Foucault into the inaccessible, sheltered category? Or are these the type of people actually practicing the public intellectual role? Just asking.

I'd also like to open up the discussion for American folks. We have a long-standing tradition of Anti-intellectualism in everything from politics to farming. Thus, the discussion can come up at school or at dinner.

I'm wondering if there's a real way to heal the rift Jackie and ephemerat describe, each in their respective ways. How does the academy bring itself to the people? How does it gain their trust? How does it speak their language? I'm aware that the very question reifies the divide, but it's tangible enough if we're discussing it? (read: this is part of what I was playing with in the Lexicon)

Haus, could you at least ring in on this?
 
 
synaesthesia
09:30 / 19.07.01
Great discussion. Haven't wanted to get involved because the contributions are so good.
The only way to help heal the divide that I can think on is to change the culture which is no mean feat. Maybe encourage critical thinking at an early age. A friend wanted to do a research into the feasability of replacing religious teaching in schools with Philosophy. The real issue is that we are going through marked compartmentalisation in society. The Danes have 'Folk Universities' evening classes that have no exams but are highly valued by many.
We would need to remove many of the artificial barriers too. In the UK the Open University teaches more people than all of the other universities combined. Thier teaching material is generally excellent. Yet its graduates may be at a disadvantage. One example: The IEEE (Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers) will not give professional recognition to OU grads. And its not the fault of the OU. It's more to do with elitism at IEEE.
 
 
Templar
09:30 / 19.07.01
I have noticed recently that people I know have been acknowledging their own intelligence in a way that, at first, makes me cringe. Just pretty harmless statements like "Well, I'm know I'm intelligent enough to do it, but..." Then I stop and think about the knee-jerk reaction, and it just seems ridiculous. Quite a British thing, I think, going with the inbuilt hostility against people who put themselves forward. We're meant to wait until we're asked, aren't we?
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
10:52 / 19.07.01
I think Saveloy makes a good point about cleverness being acceptable when it is used for a practical purpose - I think a great deal of antagonism towards 'intellectuals' stems from the fact that the currency of thought is intangible. You can't see how thought processes work, there's no empirical evidence for their value: how do you know you're not being taken for a ride? This is exacerbated when thinkers use terms current in academic discourse, as it can exclude those who have not had the fortune to study those disciplines. I would guess that plenty of people theorise about their lives, politics, etc., but feel threatened because they don't have the same frame of reference as people who have been through the academic mill. No one likes to feel inferior.
 
 
Saveloy
11:38 / 19.07.01
Macavity:
"No one likes to feel inferior."

Exactly. But we love to make others feel inferior, or at least derive satisfaction from discussing the inferiority of others.

I think it's a problem born of our habit as a species of talking about everything in terms of quantity, and the habit of putting people into groups according to 'amount of X' in their possession. We place ourselves and others in a heirarchy of intelligence, with intellectuals somewhere near the top of the pile; it is a pecking order which allows us to pour scorn and derision upon our intellectual inferiors (check out the Big Brother thread for some choice examples). Now, if you are used to dishing it out with impunity - and we've all done it - and feel that it is your right to do so then how are you going to feel about those above you in the order? You're going to expect them to hold you in the same contempt that you feel for your own inferiors, aren't you? And are you going to accept that? Will you respect their right to do so? No! You'll despise them for being - probably - smug, smart-arsed wankers. In any actual encounters you'll be looking for the barely concealed exchange of glances, you'll be deconstructing every word, looking for hidden digs. They can actually be as nice as pie but that doesn't matter, you'll be expecting those insults. And their mere existance is a reminder of your position in the pecking order.

[ 19-07-2001: Message edited by: Saveloy ]
 
 
ShadowRain
11:56 / 19.07.01
My two cents worth of ramblings ....

Personally, I would define an intellectual as being 'mind hungry' - someome who acquires knowledge for no reason other than it being interesting to him/her. With the global trend towards specialisation, your true 'jack-of-all-trades' is being marginalised as inferior to specialists.

Within the Western culture, being mind hungry leaves you open to ridicule by your peers. A classic example would be the group of children earmarked as 'gifted' within the school system. Having to deal with the stigma of being mind hungry, focused on something other than the day to day grind, while trying to fit in, will often cause the person to hide their 'intellectualism' in a misguided bid to not be singled out for ridicule. On the flip side, the system itself exerts pressure on these individuals to excell. This once again leaves them open to barbed comments from their peers. Nicknames like 'Encyclopedia' and 'Einstein' attest to this. Very often, these people will eventually lose their hunger for new and different things. All this to fit into a society that should know better than to try and package everyone into easily digestible and quantifiable entities.

A final thought .... where would civilisation be now if it were not for the 'intellectuals'; those individuals who thought outside the box, dared to challenge the norm?
 
 
pantone 292
19:12 / 19.07.01
starting off by thinking that there are tossers in all walks of life, I found myself returning to wanking...which may be practical in the sense of hands on but loses out through the idea of spent seed not being put to productive use/knowable results. That's part of the problem too, I think, even within the academy where people are prone to justify themselves by appealing to common sense and the practical, real things and real people etc and at the same time throwing out every shred of theory they ever learned tacitly agreeing that theoretical things are airy-fairy and pointless. Wanting to know something in advance, to guarantee what it can do/will achieve concretely is also ironically I think a way of preventing new knowledge from being new, it is also a fear of the new/unknown...


people like foucault, btw, did also do more obviously practical things around, for example, the state of prisons in France.
 
 
synaesthesia
00:43 / 20.07.01
Maybe the idea mentioned by ShadowRain about being mind-hungry is the most constructive way of being an intellectual. You realise what you have got from it and can identify others at earlier or differing stages in the process. If one is of what I would call the right disposition you will be supportive of others. Those who may be more advanced/developed in a field can help -even by just being an inspiration or (for some) role models.
The original intellectuals were the philosophers were the 'jack-of-all-trades' of knowledge. Now there is too much for anyone to even know all about even your own field.
I believe intellectuals have an important part to play in society but the secret is to find ways of communicating with others is the key to defusing thier anxieties and encourage intellectuals to be more human or at least demonstrate not all are inhuman. We need the rest of the world just as much as they need us.
Deluze & Guttari's work gets rid of hierarchical approaches. Personally I have found it very useful in looking at the world.
BTW: When I was in Primary school (US definition: K-12) I was disparagingly labelled as 'Professor'. Painful stuff.
 
 
Cat Chant
15:44 / 27.07.01
The thing that gets me about anti-intellectualism is that fairly often I hear people say that there can't be a revolution until "people start thinking differently" (or something along those lines). Now, (some of) the people who are trying to change the conditions of thought and the ways in which things *can* be thought, expressed, etc, are... intellectuals.

And I think there's a problem with saying that academics are "sheltered from society" - doesn't that just perpetuate the idea that academic life/intellectual endeavour is *outside* society, which is presumably what is being objected to? A whole bunch of people go through academia and are taught by "sheltered academics" (in the time academics have that isn't taken up with the same kind of admin and office politics as in any office-based job). Are they not part of "society"?
 
 
Cop Killer
21:07 / 27.07.01
I have a friend who is an artist, but he doesn't refer to himself as that (I think I'm the only one that does) because our other friends mock and ridicule him for it, he thinks outside of the box and everyone calls him an "art fag." He's a fucking good artist, but can't reach his full potential because he is often discouraged by our friends, which is damn near a crime. I'm a writer, and I don't show anyone my writings because I'm afraid of the same treatment, my friends know I write, but only take advantage of this knowledge when they need something edited (for some reason I'm anal about the English language, which is another reason I don't show my writings to hardly anyone, writing is the only thing that I'm a perfectionist with). If either of us try to get people a bit more open minded they get defensive saying that they are open minded, but with the ridicule my friend recieves it I have a hard time believing that. I wouldn't call either of us intellectuals though, because although both of us have that mind hunger thing going on, we also take great pleasure in blowing shit up. I wouldn't call us anti-intellectuals either though, because we have a great respect for the brilliant minds that came before us and that are around us now.
 
 
Bill Posters
13:56 / 05.08.01
There's way too many sides to this thaang for me to have a single opinion; some diverse ramblings:

1. This society rewards abstract thought more than, say, manual labour, at least in terms of status if not money per se. I suspect this is due to the privilaging of 'mind' over 'body'. In that sense, 'intellectual' is seen as something good; eg. whenever I had a career plan as a child, I'd tell my folks and they'd say "ummm, but you could do something which involved using your brain".

2. In a patriarchal society, 'big men' are considered better than 'small men'; hence the fact that despite the fact I did relatively well at school academically, I was despised for not being much use on a rugby field. (%I'm not still bitter about that mind.%) Obviously 1 and 2 are incompatible stances, yet both coexist in this society, which may shed some light on the ambivalence of the intellectual's symbolic value.

3. It's ironic that if in class war terms the intellectual is by definition oppressive, so much 'subversive' thought comes out of 'intellectualising'.

I know that's all rather inconsistent, but that's some of what I've observed. For whatever that's worth. At the end of the day, I'm with Eisenhower on this; he defined an intellectual as "a man who takes more words than are necessay to say more than he knows".
 
 
Fist Fun
14:39 / 11.08.02
A related article in the Observer.

The main gist is
Today, we can have both. We can read the most difficult books, challenging books, and then read dreck for relaxation. We can tape both a two-hour documentary on Bosnia and an episode of Father Ted. There is no 'shame' in doing both, in having it all; we are quite possibly more intellectually secure than ever before, and therefore we can decide, ourselves, what we like, rather than consuming with an eye over our social shoulder; and if we decided to mix great art with great, relaxing pap then that is, surely, our choice.

I'm sure most people reading this are comfortable mixing and matching high and low brow according to preference and mood. Do you think the distinction still even exists? Cantona famously likened the 1970 world cup final to the poetry of Rabelais. How free are we to attribute value?
 
 
The Natural Way
09:15 / 12.08.02
Intellectualism, intellectualshmism....

What gets me is the ANTI-THOUGHT/THINKING stance. Nearly every day someone tells me "You think too much" or "sometimes things are just the way they are...there's no reason..." etc. AAARGHH. Isn't that the attitude we're really talking about here?

You can call it "anti-intellectualism" if you like, but I think it just leads to confusion and annoying attempts to define terms.
 
 
Cherry Bomb
09:35 / 12.08.02
I think one reason an anti-intellectualism exists is because analysis and the use of intelligience can be downright frightening things. What happens when you start analytically questioning the world around you? One thing that could well happen is your world as you know it may fall apart. It takes a certain amount of courage to be willing to risk that.

Also, I don't think that intellectualism and academia necessarily go hand in hand. Of course they can do, but to define "the intellectual elite" as those who work and practice within a university structure is ludicrous. Academia as I see it is one aspect or maybe style of intellectualism, but it's not the only one.

I wonder if some resentment the anti-intellectual crowd feels towards intellectuals is rooted in academia. I personally am very turned off by the academic system, though, I may not be able to say that had I not spent so much time there - and certainly it did give a basis.

Deva, I agree with you that academics are certainly a part of society, but one thing I've found off-putting is how does an idea - or better yet a place like a university where ideas are batted around and thought about - gel with "reality." I think back to a woman's history class I once took, in which the prof said, "we can theory bitch and shout and yellow and decide as much as we like HERE, but go out to a small town in nowhere iowa where most of the folks work in the local factory and try and explain how our theory relates to their life. " And how does it? And does it need to?
 
 
No star here laces
11:53 / 12.08.02
Cherry, I think that's a very good point about academia.

In today's world we like our public figures to be validated in some way by the public. Bob Geldof is a public figure because millions of people bought the live aid single, which validated him. Richard Littlejohn is validated because he writes for Britain's most popular paper.

But who validates intellectuals? They are validated by dint of 1) academic qualifications and 2) the respect of other intellectuals. So of course the public are going to be suspicious of them. People want to decide if they like someone before they decide to listen to what they say, and being sanctioned by authority is no longer a good enough reason to listen.

If you want a model for the public intellectual in the 21st century, it's someone who becomes famous for having good ideas in the public view, not someone who feels they are somehow qualified to comment on public life because of their private accomplishments. Maybe it's Trevor Bayliss, who gets wheeled out to comment on things far too often.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
13:50 / 12.08.02
Although perhaps another model for an engaged intellectual is someone like Wole Soyinka - certainly a member of an academic, and to some extent, intellectual elite, but whose skills and talents are explicitly politically and socially engaged?
 
 
Turk
19:58 / 12.08.02
I've only had time to read through half this thread so far but one idea that has always made some modicum of sense to me is that those who view themselves as less intelligent fear intellectuals because they fear (as does everyone) being wrong, or being made to accept by a thinker or somebody they feel is smarter than them that they are wrong.
Is there anything worst than being led to utterly believe you are wrong? It's far easier to immediately dismiss the scary intellectuals out of hand.


Oh by the way, earlier there was mention that Mohammad Ali was the most respected man of the last century more or less due to his hands. I'd suggest that he receives such adoration rather more because of his 'intellectual convictions' than his unbelievable skill in the boxing ring. I think if nothing else it offers hope for intellectuals particularly, as Ali will freely admit himself, he is not an intelligent man.
If you really want to stretch his influence, you may even want to view him as doing for intellectuals what Jackie Robinson did for African-Americans. Fine, I might be getting carried away here.
 
 
Cherry Bomb
11:27 / 13.08.02
Hmmm, Muhammed Ali, interesting thing to bring up, D.

I don't know if anyone saw "Ali" but I must say I found a lot of what Ali said quite inspiring. Call me a sucker but oh well.

Actually just spent a bit of this morning fruitlessly looking for one of my favorite Ali quotes, when he was on the blocks for refusing to fight in Vietnam and when he was asked about it he said that he refused to go to Asia to kill poor brown people - his war was stoppping poor brown people from getting killed in the U.S., and if he had to go to jail, so what, his people had been in jails for centuries and surely he could stand a few more.

I think Ali, whether he was a learned man or not is a bit of an intellectual, if only because I think the thing that sets him apart is that he seemed to think for himself when it comes to making intellectual decisions.

But maybe he's less threatening to the "general populace" because even if you're not a fan of his intellectual stance, there's still the sports stance.

As far as the risk of being wrong, I think you have a good point, D. I guess it depends on how much of your self-image is tied into your opinions on the world around you. But I suspect that there are just as many folks in the "Ivory Towers of Academia" who have tied their self-esteem to their opinions of the world as there are on the outside.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
14:29 / 13.08.02
The roots of anti-intellectualism in America are fairly complicated, I think. There's a frontier ethos which despises anyone who can't work with their hands, and which equally retains a religious minority's mistrust of the thinker as opposed to the pure believer. There's the entrepreneurial spirit which says that theory is fine as long as it can show a profit. There's the rather more disturbing prejudice against the Jewish left in the middle of the last century, and all the ideas of Freud, Modernity, and the rest which assail the Church, Family and State as keepers of the flame of truth. There's even hippy culture which proclaimed emotion above thought as a way to Enlightenment - a notion which ties to the dichotome about Law vs. Justice in the heart of movies like 'Talk of the Town' - where an anarchist who believes in the spirit of the US is forced into an uneasy alliance with a law professor who believes the nation can only be maintained by the law.

The British relationship with intellectuals is trickier still. I'm not convinced that there's the same strong 'anti-intellectualism', though a prejudice against the middle, intellectual class has been encouraged both by the right, during the eighties, when the liberal centre was the chief opposition to Thatcher's selfish Capitalism, but also from the further left and other constellations, where the middle classes are fashionably perceived as educated-yet-lumpen inhibitors of social change. Intellectual, in both contexts, means 'do-nothing-wise-ass', and more darkly carries a suggestion of a foreign (possibly Jewish) ascetic telling ordinary people what to do.

The British version, however, also involves an ambivalence about achievement and success which is deeply rooted. Where America celebrates heros often to the point of blinding itself to obvious faults, the UK seeks to undermine them almost before they are made. Fame and fortune are inextricably bound up with persecution and gossip. The more so if the famous person is an 'intellectual', with its dangerous suggestion that this might mean they think they're smarter than everyone else.

"Oh, no, you're not, Sunny Jim."
 
 
Rage
08:23 / 17.08.02
You guys are intellectualizing anti-intellectualism.

Only at barbelith.
 
  

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