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28 Days Later (I WAS SHOCKED AND UPSET)

 
  

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Rev. Wright
21:39 / 03.11.02
And boy did it make me pleased that I watched 28 Days later on its opening weekend.
The Beach had me pissed with regards mister Boyle, and Resident Evil had touched a nerve but not sated the desire. 28 Days does teh trick.
I have been going on to all sundry about how Britain can apply its realism to horror and sci-fi and come up trumps. I only have to call upon Quatermass, Threads and The Survivors to fill you in on the angle present in this latest installment. Its certainly a movie I would have made, and shot on DV, what a beast. DV is the way forward. (Chuck and Buck, anyone?)
What I saw tonight pays homage to Romero, representing some fine scenes and concepts, that blend well with themes that Danny Boyle has run with. The 'Infected' create a wonderful backdrop with which to lay bare the crude and ugly essence of the male ego and human instinct. As the end drew near I felt that I came close to understanding how our earliest ancestors survived and formed groups, in a bitter struggle.
Humanity is defined by our ability to kill our own kind.

I will return.......
 
 
some guy
22:21 / 03.11.02
What was wrong with The Beach aside from the Hollywood casting?
 
 
Rev. Wright
22:30 / 03.11.02
Its dull and somewhat contrived nature, due to its Hollywood casting which forces the film to downplay aspects. At no point am I convinced by my lead character that he is at all truly engaged by the surroundings. The nature of the beast is that you play with an A list cast, you have to trim depth from your piece for the fan base. This is demonstrated by the lower budget of 28 Days Later, a much more fantastical narrative, with more compelling performances.
 
 
videodrome
22:39 / 03.11.02
Everything was wrong with The Beach. Did you see it? If so , how did you sit through it? I had to nail my thighs to the chair.

Take away the horrific casting and simply look at it as a story that's particularly British, with respect to the youth travel culture, and place an American at the centre of it all.
 
 
some guy
00:06 / 04.11.02
Its dull and somewhat contrived nature, due to its Hollywood casting which forces the film to downplay aspects.

I didn't find it dull, or any more contrived than Boyle's other work (and surely plot-driven films such as Shallow Grave and 28 Days Later are the very definition of "contrived"). I wonder what depth you feel was trimmed to meet the fan base of an actor as known for films such as Total Eclipse and What's Eating Gilbert Grape as Titanic (and would Boyle stalwart Ewan McGregor have brought the same criticism at that point, with Obi-Wan Kenobi on his resume)? Are these cuts and trims on record, or are you just assuming they were made?

Take away the horrific casting and simply look at it as a story that's particularly British, with respect to the youth travel culture, and place an American at the centre of it all.

I suppose as a widely travelled American I didn't find the changes to Richard unacceptable.

Oh well, to each his own.
 
 
Rev. Wright
16:42 / 04.11.02
I suppose as a widely travelled American I didn't find the changes to Richard unacceptable.

May I suggest Sky One's Ibiza Uncovered

28 Days later is still an amazing comeback.
Far from just references to the dead Trilogy, it also continues to develop concepts brought to life by Romero's Crazies and Cronemburg's Rabid.
Unlilke the slow and decaying dead, the 'Infected' are supersharp, fast and deadly. The terrific use of contact lenses and physical performance lends to what I must consider to be the most terrifying creature to hit the screens since Alien.

I really admire Boyle's use of DV, which in turn rejects the Studio System that must have frustrated him with The Beach. Liberating him from the sometimes tedious act of lighting for celluloid, time was spent, instead on getting solid performances and perfecting the pacing of his camera shots.
The manifesto described by the makers of The Last Broadcast in the documentary making of... is soo true.
 
 
Rev. Wright
17:05 / 04.11.02
 
 
Jack Fear
17:29 / 04.11.02
There's a Flash bit on the website that just made me jump about a foot and a half. Son of a BITCH!

I have so got to see this movie.
 
 
videodrome
18:01 / 04.11.02
Damn. No US release on IMDB listing. Anyone heard when we get it over here? (Not that waiting is too bad - the UK has to wait for everything else...)
 
 
autopilot disengaged
22:07 / 04.11.02
hm.

have to say that, though i thought it was a solid, smart horror film, i don't agree that it's in any way 'genre-busting'. enough realism has been injected into a generic plot to suggest there's another, better movie - just the other side of a final rewrite.

the first twenty minutes are very cool - an unusual mix of the ambient and apocalyptic. but the rest... i don't know - there was an accumulation of - in themselves - inconsequential glitches that increasingly spoilt my ability to suspend disbelief and ultimately enjoy the plot. things which don't really count for much in a down-the-line genre flick, but stand out against some otherwise intelligent writing. for example: i didn't empathise with our hero, didn't buy his relationship, didn't like the way the genuinely interesting characters either died, faded into the background or solidified into stereotype...

and i hated the last broadcast. it made me giggle. if blair witch ripped it off, i'm glad - it did it better.
 
 
mixmage
01:19 / 06.11.02
enough realism has been injected into a generic plot to suggest there's another, better movie - just the other side of a final rewrite.


well put. This could have been the most brutal, devastating movie ever. If only they'd taken the end from Night of the Living Dead instead of the beginning of Day of the Triffids. No Hope. No Resolution. Nice.
 
 
Rev. Wright
06:50 / 06.11.02
.....and no mainstream box office release.

I am in agreement on the fact that it could have been alot bleaker, and in fact the faux ending caused quite a stir at the screening I was in. I'm soo happy to see such a low budget British film at the cinemas, and being received soo well. Considering the near total collapse of American funding currently occuring in the industry, I hope that 28 Days Later will inspire others to get out of the Hollywood fixation, and just go and make the kind of movies that Britain can be soo great at.
 
 
_pin
10:17 / 06.11.02
Anyone notice that the ending had far better picture quality? Which I am now gonna take as evidence of a dream of Jim's as he lays in hospital being operated on by Thingy One (as opposed to the small child, who is Thingy 2) and therefore not the real ending and therefore not as bad.

Yeh, it just was the Triffids, only going north instead of south, and following the plot a bit urther and not having stupid disc firing gun things.
 
 
CameronStewart
15:37 / 06.11.02
I've seen some Sean Philips artwork for a 28 Days Later comic book - and it's fucking gorgeous.

This film seems to have slipped under my radar entirely - I hadn't even heard of it at all until only a couple of days ago. Now I'm super-keen on seeing it...
 
 
autopilot disengaged
19:00 / 06.11.02
i didn't mind the happy ending (though, yes, the bodysnatchers denouement is Horror Itself) - but some of the sections that lapsed into boooring cliche... the central character was a walking absence, the love interest started off the strongest in the piece and was quickly relegated to a supporting role (teeth-gnashingly common in modern plots that have been airbrushed with apparent 'equality')...

personally, i'd rather have the father and daughter as the focus - at least they were believable... and a potentially interesting sitch with the soldiers turned into villainy and melodrama too simply and completely for me...

cinematography was awesome - madd props to anthony dod mantle - digital dogme visionary.

i do think people should go support it - it has more integrity and intelligence than most - but alex garland should get a slap on the wrist for a script that contains moments of brilliance alongside underachieving set-pieces and well-trodden cinematic short-cuts. someone so comfortably in the first rank of young british novelists should have produced a more interesting take. full stop.
 
 
Rev. Wright
00:03 / 07.11.02
The articulate criticism of this film, denotes its ability to contain potential and greatness, something that has been lacking from cinema being screened at Odeon chains.

Garland will never be Kneale. Full Stop

 
 
rizla mission
10:31 / 07.11.02
Do I even need to tell you I thought this film was fucking great?

But then, you know how I am about the End of the World, right..

It's not perfect obviously;

Whilst the script is undoubtedly a damn good yarn in the classic British sci-fi tradition, it's also pretty much entirely cobbled together from elements of previous books and films .. don't get me wrong, I think the very fact that such fine influences are being used in a big budget movie is pretty cool, but Garland seems far too much like he's trying to imitate Ballard, Romero, Wyndham, Kneale etc., rather than actually developing his own style - I mean, the odd homage is one thing, but the rips from Day of the Dead and Day of the Triffids are so obvious they almost constitute plagiarism.. also, the second half of the film gets a bit Hollywood, something I was hoping Boyle et al. would have the guts to avoid

[!!SPOILERS!!!]

I was banking on either an ultimate no-hope 'everyone's dead' doom ending (the kind Iain Banks does so well) or an ambiguous 'there might be something there, we just don't know but we've got to try' ending ala Day of the Triffids.. and the whole deal where our nervous hero suddenly becomes a strategic super-commando and wastes all those soldiers was really pushing the boundries of credibility I think.. especially for a film which had previously concentrated on human weakness in the face of unspeakable nastiness.. that sequence in particular seemed to have 'studio interference' written all over it.. at the risk of sounding like a gore-crazed maniac, I think the themes of the film would have been served far better if, after he'd (pretty damn brutally!) killed that last soldier, he'd pulled an "oh my god, what have I done? We're no better than they are!" just before Selina accidentally butchered him - real Heart of Darkness!

But enough of the complaining, let us not try to deny that for the most part, THIS FILM COMPLETELY FUCKING ROCKED.

I can't fault the film-making at all - direction, photography - in a very basic sense, it was *damn good*. For all that the film's made me dubious of Garland's writing, it's completely sold me on Boyle's style of film making .. even in the above mentioned scenes which I didn't like much - that was some fine film making shit!

As expected, the shots of empty London were breathtaking .. the whole of the opening section where he's wondering around with Godspeed.. playing in the background - beautiful!

I swear some of the imagery and ideas come straight from my unwritten novels - survivors slowly walking along the empty traintracks, hiding in underground stations living on junk food .. I can't describe how much I love that kind of stuff .. maybe I should seek help..

And I loved the way the locations looked so completely authentic - very little fancy lighting or stylised mise en scene - just places in England, looking exactly the way they would if you went and visited them today .. only abandoned, with zombies roaming around. Awesome.

And it was good that they didn't cop out on the violence - some of it was pretty nasty..

I think I've probably ranted enough. I'll stop now.
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
20:12 / 07.11.02
Agree with most of the above. Nicely nasty at the beginning, great empty london shots (and surprise appearence from David Schneider at beginning as epitome of chinless sciencefool). Loses it towards the end, with kick-ass girl suddenly becoming useless and Jim suddenly becoming Super-Courier and taking down a whole battalion. Unfulfilled potential, says I. C+ for effort.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
01:36 / 09.11.02
Well I liked it. All of it. The plane and his reaction, jesus christ son of mary! I think I just have this weird reaction to post-apocalyptic films because of a bizarre psychological need for institutionalism. I liked the ending too because a possible return to the desired institutionalism was favoured.

On the Bizarre Rating Scale Existing in VMJ's Head (BRSEVH): Not as good as Donnie Darko but better than most of the other stuff currently showing.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
03:54 / 09.11.02
I loved it- still unsure about the ending. Yeah, it ripped off every zombie movie known to man, but it ripped off the good bits. (Even a little nod to the wonderful NOTLD ending, without actually doing it).

A great movie. Maybe not a classic, but a great fucking movie.
 
 
Seth
14:13 / 09.11.02
Little bit sad at the edit of East Hastings - it's such a brilliantly paced piece of music that they could easily have made this section of the movie longer and used the original in its complete form. But then I like Godspeed more than I liked this movie. Still good fun though.
 
 
rizla mission
14:15 / 09.11.02
I think I just have this weird reaction to post-apocalyptic films because of a bizarre psychological need for institutionalism.

That's an interesting thought .. I kind of have a very real physical need for institutionalism, in that I'm diabetic and would die horribly within a month without the NHS..

..which kind of puts a damper on my End Of The World obsession sometimes..
 
 
rizla mission
14:17 / 09.11.02
Little bit sad at the edit of East Hastings - it's such a brilliantly paced piece of music that they could easily have made this section of the movie longer and used the original in its complete form.

I kind of thought that too. I was pissed off that in both scenes which used Godspeed.., they cut the music just before it climaxed, which was incredibly frustrating. But I think hearing it booming from the cinema sound system to a packed house during a damn good movie kind of made up for that..
 
 
invisible_al
14:14 / 10.11.02
I'm in the 'This film rocked' camp, I loved the whole way it was filmed, that washed out grey london as the petrol station explosion bloomed, the empty London at dawn, the coloured buckets on a white roof in that grey london. Also didn't mind that impressionist moment when they're out in the countryside. If this is what DV can do, I'll have some more of that.

On the plane and his reaction sparked off some associations with Lord of the Flies, I remember the jesus analog boy in the book seeing jet trails before he's murdered. That whole scene didn't make me loose my sense of disbelif, I just rolled with the surrealness of it all. Him running around having found 'the will to survive' and all that, yes its a bit unrealistic, but at that point the film is not going for realistic.

You've got this empty mansion house, thunderstorm outside, bloke running around half naked bayonetting people, the two women running around in red dresses (once again with the brilliant filming and use of color) everything has gone quite, quite mad.
That whole thing of filming Jim in the same way as the infected could be hitting the point with a hammer, but it looked great.

Best horror film moment was the daughter hiding behind the mirror as the soldier stares at his own reflection, put the shits up me I can tell you .

As for acting, the guy playing Jim was a kind of everyman and you don't want to be too in your face for that, Naiome Harris was brilliant as were the daughter and her dad. You like them enough that its a kick in the chest when he becomes infected.
Soldiers wern't much more than 'the villians', but you knew that the moment Chris Eccelstone wanders in, in full dress uniform, but he wasn't a frothing pantomime villian, just coldly practical.

Right I'm off to download a whole load of Godspeed

Btw just found that bit on the website 'Find Jim' my arse .
 
 
Tryphena Absent
15:58 / 10.11.02
I definitely appreciated the thumbs in the eyes. Oh yeah crazyjim! Do it again you violent mothafucka!
 
 
rizla mission
12:53 / 11.11.02
Yeah, but then it's so annoying that they immediately dropped the more interesting "ohmygod I've become a violent fucker!" line of thought and went straight into "yay! everything's cool again!"

I mean .. yeah, the soldiers weren't very nice, but they were given some small degree of character and, um, human-ness, and to have your previously mild mannered hero brutally butcher them and then completely ignore the implications of this seems .. a bit crap really.

It's like if at the end of Apocalypse Now, Sheen had killed Brando and then gone "Yay, I've won, let's par-ty on down!" Just .. wrong.

I'm ranting again, aren't I?
 
 
DaveBCooper
16:12 / 11.11.02
Anyone else seen the tube escalator ‘card-ads’* for this film ? I saw them at Euston underground station, and each of them is a panel from a comic sequence, with captions etc, pretty much summarising the opening 30 mins or so. They look like Will Simpson art, but I could be wrong – maybe they’re the Sean Phillips work that Cameron referred to ?

DBC

* I’m sure there’s a technical term for them; those adverts on bits of card a bit bigger than A4 size that usually advertise musicals or cosmetics and run alongside the escalators. The ones that people usually turn into pieces of ‘glop art’ by adding gum to eyes and noses.
 
 
_pin
11:52 / 12.11.02
"We discussed the possibility of the zombie's being anti-capitalist protestors, but I guess it's all open to interpretation"

It's not an accurate quote, but it's mostly the same words and sentiment. How do people feel now? Any different?
 
 
Rev. Wright
17:17 / 12.11.02
I have been playing with a zombie script, mentioned elsewhere on the forum, with which I raised the idea of teh unbdead representing anti-capitalists and terrorists. My suffering male character, trapped in his girlfriend's flat, is under seige. His trappings and suit indicate some involvemnet with finance and his raised isolation reflects upon the WTC.
As Boyle has mentioned, he has made a decision to move away from Cold War metaphors in the genre so far.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
21:32 / 12.11.02
I liked the way he bounced back to his former Jim self. He saw a plane, did his crazy business, did some heroic stuff and was OK. No boring angst or guilt just I'm going to fucking get out of here. Thank god for the no-sleaze or incrimination... his was a violent breath of fresh air. A small insanity compared to the major freakiness of all around him. Beautiful.
 
 
Imaginary Mongoose Solutions
05:15 / 11.12.02
I finally saw this, (thanks to the wonders of Kazaa!) and wow. The opening was nicely desolate and the 'zombies' were scary as fuck. I can't believe this flick isn't getting a release in the US. This has got to be the best horror flick I've seen in ages.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
21:34 / 22.05.03
Quick threadleap - I finally saw this last night - what was the reaction of the Tornado pilot (was it a Tornado? Looked like one, but I was distracted at the time) to the giant "HELLO"?

I liked it - especially the empty London, of course. That was beautiful. And the ruined abbey. Every film should have at least one ruined abbey. It was a lot smarter and nicer, and a lot less scary, than I was expecting. And very *British* - the product placement (Terry's Chocolate Orange, Fanta), the black cab, the very unassuming "nice bloke" character (Frank - you don't quite get that character in US cinema, that I can think of offhand).

If anything, the weakest part was the dialogue, which is hardly surprising since Alex Garland is at best a limited writer, but it *looked* lovely. It did rely on some stupidities to get through - most obviously Jim the super-soldier and the increasing removal of the agency of Selina (having said which, kid on valium was *quality*). I didn't see the point of making the soldiers potential child-rapists - that just didn't ring true, and neither did them sticking Mailer in the laundry yard rather than, say, in a big cage or staked down in the middle of some mines. I sort of liked the idea that the rest of the world was getting on just fine without the UK, although...I don't know...wouldn't somebody have thought of getting a short-wave radio, and a couple of batteries? That would have picked up foreign transmissions. It's stuff like that, and that the outside world probably wouldn't have waited 7 weeks or so before checking up on the nuclear reactors on the mainland...plus of course how Jim lasted so long in hospital with noone to look after him or keep the zombies off.

And the way the zombies moved was, realistically, a bit silly.

btw, does anyone know what the music playing as things got hot'n'heavy in the stately home was?

Oh, and I did like the "making of" - very British also. US "making of..." movies have big stunts and highlights. This one had Open University bods talking about infectious diseases.
 
 
Jack Fear
16:39 / 28.05.03
Bump.

US theatrical release has been announced for June 27th, 2003!

I am soooooooooooo there.
 
 
Rev. Orr
21:15 / 28.05.03
Finally got to see it on dvd and, yes, the ending is odd. It does switch to 35mm after everything else was dv. What I found interesting was all the different endings that they ran through.

Here be SPOILERS.









Like Apocolypse Now (which others have mentioned) they appear to have begun filming with an ending that they didn't like and intended to change. From the commentary, they ran out of initial funding after filming the country house and for a while, the film ended with the shot of the lone infected in the open hallway. The then got some more cash and filmed a number of endings a) they all die crashing through the gates b) the released version and c) Jim dies of his wounds and the ending plays out as released without him. There's also a storyboarded version which is completely different and has no nazi stormtroopers at all. Plus you get Andy 'n' Alex doing all the voices and stage directions which was sweet.

Personally, I liked the concept of Britain in quarrantine thematically (the true 'sick man of europe') but found it took a little too much suspension of disbelief and felt like they changed the rules part-way through without bothering with continuity.

Oh and Haus, apparantly it's a Finnish plane (whatever they fly) at the end. Not sure why, but the radio chatter you hear is in Finnish.
 
 
videodrome
17:26 / 10.06.03
Right. Just back from a review screening of this one - very nice stuff, in a few ways. Quite sad that it's getting a June release in the States, though, as I think it's gonna die a quick death. The film is too different from what's being sold (straight up-action/horror zombie flick) and I don't think this is anything other than a fall flick. I'd love to be wrong.

Photography - beautiful. Vey much like Koyaanisqatsi in more than a few ways, though this actually felt like it had meaning. For the non-London residents, is that big Ferris Wheel in the background so often a part of the dilapidated Milennium Dome project? Seemed like there was implied urban criticism there, but perhaps I'm imagining it.

Jim was a bit too empty, yes. I did kinda like the rebirth/crucifiction opening, and couldn't help thinking as he came into the church that we were watching Jesus arrive a couple days late for The Big Party. That fell away as the film went on, but was a pretty strong impression then. The setting, perhaps.

Homage/borrowings from other zombie flicks: yes. Was very amused when the chained infected was introduced, and wished I was there with someone else who knew Romero's stuff.

I was quite disappointed that Jim wasn't killed, though, as that would have been the logical follow-through. It's all rage, after all - told so in the first scene - and so he's 'infected', virus or no, in the film's climax.

Re: contrived - well, that's the thing about genre, innit? Here, take this structure so you don't have to worry about story, so long as you fill it with either a) good characters or b)a point. This doesn't quite make the cut in that respect, though it comes closer to fulfilling B.

Liked the quarrantined Britain bit, though being american I'm not sure I'm reading it right. To me, it felt like that was the whole idea behind the thing, that Britain is this creature that doesn't fit within the current conception of 'west'. As such it's a lot easier to wall it off like this was a John Carpenter flick and wait for it to die. If that is the case, then obviously some form of nationalism would prevent a totally apocalyptic ending. Funny, though, that Boyle burns his birthplace.
 
  

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