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Annotating Donnie Darko

 
  

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grant
14:45 / 01.11.02
Possible project:

So in this Conversation thread somebody pointed out that the outfit Donnie Darko wears on Halloween comes from The Karate Kid.
And I recognize the bike chase at the end from E.T.
There’s obviously a rich vein of other associations there.

Anyone care to do some annotations?
 
 
videodrome
17:56 / 01.11.02
Wouldn't that kinda kill the fun?
 
 
grant
18:29 / 01.11.02
Bulldookie!

Here, just after making the suggestion, I got this email unprompted by a friend (well versed in hypnotism & NLP) who had just seen the movie for the second time (I'm adding italics myself for better bookkeeping):

Whether or not its writer/director knows it, the film uses hypnotic patterns more effectively than some of the hypnotherapists I've met. Unobtrusively, elegantly, comedy. At several points Donnie, and the audience with him, is given what amount to posthypnotic triggers. But it's always beautifully woven into what is an endlessly fascinating piece of art, rather than mindgames being played for the sake of it.

The cues in Donnie Darko are ones to open up new channels, and keep them receptive long after the film itself has finished. If it does finish. I'm still not sure about that. It resonates outside itself, rippling through worlds that already perplex me.

The film opens with an Echo and the Bunnymen song. The band were managed by Bill Drummond, who famously sent them on a tour of Scotland so that their erratic journey would make the shape of a rabbit. Drummond later went on to form the KLF. After a number of hit records influenced by Robert Anton Wilson's fact-and-fiction blending Illuminatus books (I saw Wilson speak in London in the week when the KLF reached Number One), the band faded from view. They re-emerged as the K Foundation, issuing proclamations in newspapers, became involved with the art world, and famously burned a million pounds.

In Graham Greene's short story The Destructors, teenagers lay waste to a house, flood it by damaging the water mains, and set light to a mattress that they know to be stuffed full of cash.

Donnie Darko's English teacher sets the story to his class to read. Donnie describes the money burning as an ironic act. He shortly afterwards floods his school by damaging the water mains.

Donnie's English teacher is played by Drew Barrymore. I see her character almost as an angel in the film, quietly encouraging Donnie and by extension supporting his efforts to ultimately create a new world, one in which Donnie himself is dead, but which might just be a more loving place than the world we know thanks to the love that Donnie shares with girlfriend Gretchen. That relationship means that Donnie doesn't, as he feared, die alone. But he's prepared to sacrifice himself for us all, so that every one of us might just experience the love that he's known. Maybe the wave that Gretchen gives to Donnie's mum at the end of the film expresses just that kind of love: this Gretchen has never known Donnie, but she can still reach out to someone who has lost a son.

Drew Barrymore is all kinds of angel, including one of Charlie's. And she's the angel who supported an unknown writer-director, believing in his vision of a very special film, and becoming its executive producer, to allow his fiction to become part of our reality.


I asked him about the hypnotic suggestion stuff, and he replied thusly:

I'm going to have to see Donnie Darko again to really piece together all the elements that are 'hypnotic': a full breakdown will have to wait till I've got the DVD. And I'm not stating that the writer/director intended them to be so at all, though there's so much going on that I'd not be surprised if he's familiar with Ericksonian hypnosis and/or NLP. Those approaches emphasise that there's a whole continuum of communication, verbally and otherwise, that all of us utilise: anyone who's good at getting ideas across, or changing your state, can be said to be using hypnotic techniques.
With that caveat in mind, here are some elements I did notice:

* In the scene in the cinema, there's dialogue about being in a cinema, an experience which the characters share with the
audience. You can call that metacommentary if you wish, and go that route.
It's also a way of communicating to that unconscious aspect of you which knows that you're in the audience, and if you start to think about that grant yourself the recognition that there's an interesting shift in your own state as you continue to process these words.

:-)

So, that's one way to affect the consciousness of the audience. And, whether in that scene or another, there are specific instructions given to process the meaning of the film after sleeping.
That's pretty much overt, though without having a copy of the film to hand I can't go into more detail.

Another element is the 'cellar door' phrase that Drew Barrymore has chalked onto the blackboard. It's possible that it functions as a post-hypnotic suggestion, given to Donnie. Certainly, when he sees the cellar door at a critical point, it reminds him of the incident in class, which arguably demonstrates the success of that intention. And is in turn an example of Drew's role as an angel within the film.

There's more. Lots more. But I'm aware of how tentative some of this is without me having the opportunity to examine the
film at my leisure. The fact that Donnie Darko is layered so extraordinarily well -- in terms of writing, photography, performance, design, music and so on -- is another way of saying that it is an exquisite trance induction. ...
 
 
grant
18:43 / 01.11.02
Also:
Oh, and then there's the Infant Memory Generator, which is Donnie and Gretchen's proposed technological version of a well-established hypnotic procedure...Milton Erickson introduced someone called 'the February man' into a client's memories to give her resources that she never experienced in her actual upbringing, for instance...
 
 
Jack Fear
19:12 / 01.11.02
In the cinema scene: it's a double bill of The Evil Dead and The Last Temptation of Christ.
 
 
Tamayyurt
16:27 / 02.11.02
This is great, grant. I'd really like to see this friend of yours dissect this movie. I was curious, what does he say the NLP or subliminals were communicating to the audience? Is it just a way to have the movie stay with you long after it's over or is it something else? Cause whatever you think about the movie, most people admit it's haunting.
 
 
Sensual Cobra
21:46 / 02.11.02
Interesting point on Milton Erickson's "February Man" -- remind anyone of Keifer Sutherland (literally) injecting himself into Rufus Sewell's memories at the end of Dark City? Sutherland's character is named Dr. Schreber, echoing the German "schreibt," to write. He writes and re-writes memories.

The Evil Dead/Last Temptation of Christ double billing is also interesting in that the Philosophy of Time Travel mentions the Manipulated Dead - "more powerful than the Living Receiver [Donnie]. If a person dies within the tangent dimension, they are able to contact the Living Receiver through the Fourth Dimensional Construct."

At the same time, the movie seems to mirror The Last Temptation Of Christ, in that Donnie is "tempted" by the image of the parallel universe in which he would live, but without his girlfriend, mother or sister. Arguably, his overt resistance to this temptation begins when he shoots Frank -- his fate becomes irrevocable at that point, and he fires with a certain knowingness. The Zen bullet that cements his own sacrifice.

I'd be interested in annotation, but I think the movie demands larger analyses, similar to the scope Grant's email friend has undertaken. At the same time, annotation gives viewers the building blocks to assemble their own interpretation.

My current project is an analysis of the Divine Intervention theme running through the film, comparing and contrasting its post/modern take on the concept with that of established theological philosophers. Right now I'm not sure who I'd like to focus on as a comparison/contrast -- thoughts, anyone?

Who is in the golden picture hanging on the wall of Donnie's therapist's wall?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
14:34 / 03.11.02
The swirl in the middle of the jet engine after it is lifted out of the house shows us where it has actually come from.

Grandma Death, the eventual cause of the car skidding and thus Gretchen dying, is only there because Donnie has stopped his dad piling in to her and killing her.

The reference to antiseptics is particularly funny when you consider Noah Wyle’s part in ER. After all it's given him a job!

The use of Love will Tear us Apart is fantastic considering JD’s lead singer (I've forgotten his name) committed suicide as Donnie basically does about six hours later.

Dr Thurman advises Donnie to let the jet engine fall on his head in the therapy session where he sees Frank.

Is the painting of Swayze on Cunningham’s wall a reference to a film?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
18:55 / 03.11.02
Neat the start of the movie, Donnie's mother is reading Stephen King's It: the guy in the passenger seat of Frank's car is dressed as a clown, just like the monster in said novel...
 
 
Naked Flame
08:03 / 04.11.02
Questions, questions, questions:

the man in the red jogging suit?
Possible resonances and references arising from Swayze's casting?
how does the axe get into the head of the statue?
 
 
Tamayyurt
15:58 / 04.11.02
the man in the red jogging suit? I don't know but I was wondering about him too.

Possible resonances and references arising from Swayze's casting? Ghost?

how does the axe get into the head of the statue? Donnie has super strength when he's in trace. That's what The Philosophy of Time Travel states.
 
 
Perfect Tommy
16:57 / 04.11.02
If you want to figure out the man in the red jogging suit yourself, don't read this SPOILER here:










We see him out of the red suit at least once--he's one of the guys from the FAA, keeping an eye on the Darkos because they can't figure out what the hell happened. I didn't catch it myself, it's on the DVD commentary track.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
17:38 / 04.11.02
Could it be that the fat guy in the red jogging suit was just a nonsequitor punchline?

I actually would like it so much better if it were.
 
 
dlotemp
21:36 / 06.11.02
The guy in the red suit is named Tom Tangen in the credits. Tangen(t)......obviously a reference to the Tangent Universe.

Also note that Evil Dead is about dead being manipulated, and that the female girlfriend is killed. Not as great a link as the Last Temptation but definitely a link

When Donnie pulls the station wagon out of the driveway near the end, I though the scene echoed similar scenes in Back to the Future.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
19:44 / 07.11.02
I just watched the movie with the commentary from Kelley and Gyllenhaal - I wouldn't read too much into the Evil Dead thing, as it turns out, it wasn't the first choice to be in the film, and is there mostly because Sam Raimi offered it to them free of charge.

The first choice? C.H.U.D.
 
 
Tamayyurt
21:12 / 10.11.02
sleazenation- Is Roberta Sparrow's extensive knowledge and rememberence of time travel a result of her being the manipulated dead from a previous tangent universe? - The extensive notes in her book naming donnie as the living reciever and all the other characters in their various roles seems to imply this...
and this also implies that Roberta Sparrow and other manipulated dead have traveled in time outside their own tangent universes....


I was wondering about her and I'd like to hear some of your thoughts. I mean, for some reason the name Sparrow conjures images of God and I don't know why... maybe cause 'he watches over all of us even the tiniest sparrow' or something. And I can see her as some sort of manipulated dead because, well, she looks like a ghost. Put those two together and you get something like the Holy Ghost. Pulse she writes the book that pretty much explains the nature of the tangent universe to Donnie... The Logos perhaps?

These thoughts are sketchy at best but... what do you think?
 
 
dlotemp
22:38 / 10.11.02
I do think that's an interesting theory but needlessly complicated. There is only one remnant from a tangent universe even discussed and that's the engine. Plus, it's established that she does die at the age of 101 in the Mainstream Universe (see the Donnie Darko website for details) and so I don't think she's dead already. It does beggar the question what IS her connection with time travel? Was she a Receiver? Did she undergo a similar trial? How did she know so much about Donnie at the time she wrote the book? I think it's easier to say that she was a Manipulated Living person and, due to her theological background, perhaps she had a divine revelation about the meaning of time. Kelly has stated in interviews that he considered one of the movie's themes to be "divine intervention" so perhaps God sent a message through Sparrow that would prepare Donnie in the future?
 
 
Sensual Cobra
22:39 / 10.11.02
Isn't the Sparrow a traditional psychopomp? Like the (literal) Crow in the movie of the same name, Roberta Sparrow function as an indirect guide for Donnie's journey. Her function as a bridge between the worlds of the living and the dead would also fit her Grandma Death nickname - which sounds quite voodoo-esque as well.

Mapping her conversion is interesting -- she moves from the realm of faith in God to devotion to science. This seems like an important conversion, echoing Donnie's merging of the science of time travel with the search for God.
 
 
sleazenation
06:58 / 11.11.02
The one physical remnant of a tanget universe (and there have been more than one throughout history, as Sparrow note in her book) is the artifact, but that doesn't rule out knowledge/awareness being brought from tangent universes. Remember when we see Frank the morning after donnie dies he draws pictures of the bunnie mask he is wearing at the party.... Hardly the most conclusiveof evidence but I like it better than the notion of Sparrow as spirit guide...
 
 
Harhoo
10:04 / 11.11.02
Other pop culture references: [mangled quote] "Donnie Darko - that sounds like a superhero" "What's make you think I'm not?" [/mangled quote] - At the end of the film Donnie (effectively) turns back time to save his girlfriend, just like Superman in Superman I.

At one point when he's talking to Noah Wyle, Donnie eulogises Back To The Future and asks whether a it is possible for something like a DeLorean to be used to go back in time. He then later uses a car to timetravel.

Also, use of casting: Drew Barrymore and the ET references as well as Patrick Swayze and Ghost (the dead contacting and influencing the living).

There's a load more, but I've only just seen the film and want to think about it first.
 
 
bjacques
11:08 / 11.11.02
Regarding the Dark City digression: Daniel Schreber (Kiefer Sutherland) is named after the subject of a famous case of schizophrenia. Schreber was a German judge who started having schizophrenic episodes when in his 30s. by the time he'd become a judge, the visions became too much. He had himself committed and then wrote a memoir. It's very readable and lucid. His father, a hygienist, forced the kids to wear these bizarre and painful harnesses that forced them into correct posture, even in bed. It's worth the effort of finding it. The scarily casual tone of the memoir carried through in the English translation I read as a kid.

High-grade voluptuousness eventually passes into sleep -- Schreber.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
13:35 / 11.11.02
In the Stephen King book 'The Dark Half' (stop giggling at the back) he identified sparrows as psychopomps that bring the dead back to life. IIRC, crows are only supposed to take souls to the afterlife. Whether any of this is right or not I don't know.
 
 
Perfect Tommy
21:57 / 12.11.02
I'm glad someone else thought the station wagon backing into the street was reminiscient of BttF.

I haven't seen anyone else bring up that we never know what Gretchen Ross's real name is. She just thought that "Gretchen Ross sounded sort of cool." In the handwritten notes in the back of The Philosophy of Time Travel, we see among the Manipulated, "Gretchen Ross (not her real name)".

One viewing, I toyed with the idea that Gretchen and Roberta Sparrow might be the same person, somehow. Let's see, Gretchen is somehow living earlier in the century so she goes into a nunnery because she's been orphaned and her stepdad's after her... okay, maybe not. But the name thing is still weird.

The proverb about God watching even the fall of a sparrow is perfectly balanced with "every living thing dies alone."

We have characters named Kittie and Sparrow, a giant rabbit, and an extremely prominent deer's head going up in flames in Cunningham's house... are there more animals?
 
 
dlotemp
22:25 / 12.11.02
Don't forget about the dog which died under the porch.

Some more specific annotations -

Smurfs - Comic characters created by Belgum artist Peyo that first appeared in 1958. The Smurfs were little blue men, and one woman, who lived in the woods and were harrassed by an evil wizard named Gargamel and his cat Azrael. They first became popular in America as figurines, which led into an animated show produced by Hanna-Barbara. The Smurfs appear to be asexual and there is no documented research on their geneology, probably because they don't exist. It should be noted that Smurfette, the conversation focus of Donnie's buddies, was a character created for evil who is able to change her nature when confronted by good, perhaps not unlike Donnie's own change of nature.

Watership Down - Novel by Richard Adams about a warren of Berkshire rabbits fleeing the destruction of their home by a land developer. In interviews, Director Richard Kelly has mentioned that Frank's bunny costume was influenced by his memories of Watership Down, and that he initially intended to have the novel replace "The Destructors" in Donnie's class curriculum after the later was censored by the school. The book never made it into the final script but it's influence is still felt in the frightening yet tragic image of Frank.

M.C. Escher - A Dutch graphic artist, most recognized for spatial illusions, impossible buildings, repeating geometric patterns (tessellations), and his incredible techniques in woodcutting and lithography. Director Richard Kelly has commented that Escher was an influence on the movie, which can clearly be seen in the poster of Echer's picture "Eye, 1946" hanging beside Donnie's bed. The picture depicts an eye staring out of the frame with a skull clearly reflected within it. "Eye, 1946" wonderfully foreshadows the events of the movie since it can both stand for Donnie reflecting on death, the concept of seeing into the future and knowing the death day of individuals, and the cyclical nature of time.

PS - I was wondering if anyone could comment on the persistent appearance of art throughout the movie - Escher, the potrait in the therapist's office, Swayze's self-portrait, Frank's drawings, etc - is there deeper meaning or is it just a mcguffin?
 
 
dlotemp
22:29 / 12.11.02
Harvey - a play and movie about an alcoholic who claims he keeps company with a six-foot-tall, invisible rabbit. Many critics and viewers comment on the apparent concept link between Donnie Darko and Harvey since both contain a phatasmorgraphic bunny, but Director Richard Kelly claims that he had never seen "Harvey" and was not influenced by it.
 
 
Tamayyurt
23:30 / 12.11.02
Wasn't the Maxx a bunny from some parallel universe called Pangea or something... who would channel through a homeless character? He was also created by the girl (when she was a child) he protected/hung out with. Sorta like how Frank (the kid) dreamed up the character/costume of Frank (the bunny) he later became him to speak to Donnie.

Not saying that Kelly was influenced but since Harvey got an honorable mention I thought so should the Maxx.
 
 
Cherry Bomb
17:40 / 14.11.02
Just a couple of thoughts:

The use of Love will Tear us Apart is fantastic considering JD’s lead singer (I've forgotten his name) committed suicide as Donnie basically does about six hours later.

What I thought when I heard this song, which begins playing the moment Donnie opens the door up to Gretchen (at the party), is that Love does, in fact, tear them apart - which the song prophetically says it (will) do.

I've thought a bit about the other songs used in the movie. On first viewing, I thought "The Killing Moon" works very well in foreshadowing what's to come in this movie. "...so cruelly you kissed me... the killing time/unwillingly mine... the killing moon will come too soon..."
And that very much seems to be true.

Even "Head Over Heels" works very nicely. "Something happens and I'm head over heels, I never find out 'til I'm head over heels.." The world quite literally is turned upside down. And there's a scene at the party where Donnie is suddenly shot as if he is upside down (Head Over Heels).
Perhaps I'm reading too much into it, and believe me, I'm still trying to work out "Notorious".
(Jim Cunningham? Donnie?)

Also, I know everyone's saying the Jim kills himself the same day he would have found Donnie in the Tangent Universe, but that's not actually true. If you check out the website, he actually killed himself, I think October 12/13/14? I wonder if the feelings of despair just didn't go away - that and the fact that he needed to clear out the porn den before he killed himself. Funny though that Mr. "Fear vs. Love" commits suicide, which has been called "the ultimate act of cowardice."

More about Patrick Swayze. Remember, in 1988, Patrick Swayze was at the peak of his career. "Dirty Dancing" (1987) was a huge hit that established him as a movie idol. "Ghost" came out not too long after (I'm thinking 1988, 89 or 90). The picture that burns is an image of him very much what his image was in 1988. When I saw his picture burning, it brought up shades of George Michael burning the "Faith" jacket in the "Freedom '90" video. More destroying to create?

(God I love this movie!)
 
 
Perfect Tommy
18:21 / 14.11.02
A friend of mine was struck by the fact that Jim Cunningham still gets destroyed in whatever universe we're looking at, but Donnie saves him (saves the antichrist!) so that he can be destroyed on his own terms. It's not like Cunningham *asked* to be a pedophile.
 
 
Chubby P
08:51 / 15.11.02
Just incase anyone is interested I posted a complete guide to the Donnie Darko website on the other Donnie Darko thread (page 4) Go here
 
 
Tamayyurt
20:49 / 15.11.02
Perfect Tommy- but Donnie saves him (saves the antichrist!) so that he can be destroyed on his own terms

I'm not to clear in what you (or your friend means here... Do you mean in the universe that Donnie lives he saves Jim from death? (I mean, he's going to jail and his career and "life" are over but at least he still has a shot at redemption cause he's not dead.) Or do you mean that in the universe Donnie kills himself Jim isn't humiliated and allow to dignity to die?

Either one would work, but I think the first one would be more savior-ish.
 
 
Jack Fear
21:05 / 15.11.02
In the universe wherein Donnie dies, Jim shoots himself on the golf course on the morning when, in the other universe, he meets Donnie. In shooting himself, Jim dies "on his own terms" and with a shred of honor and dignity--released from the fear and guilt that haunt him, and spared the humiliation of his secret life being discovered.
 
 
grant
17:28 / 06.01.03
Bumping up so we can mine information for the Donnie Darko wiki!

Get annotating, you happy elves!!
 
 
grant
17:33 / 06.01.03
BY the way, can you construct regular HTML links like this one in wiki? I don't know how.

That one goes to a nice page on Echo & the Bunnymen.
 
 
dlotemp
20:12 / 28.11.03
just bumping this up for easier reference. Seems the Donnie Darko thread is getting traffic and some of the posters might enjoy checking this thread.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
23:21 / 28.11.03
Cheers for the bumpage. Afraid I have little to add in the way of annotation, but to respond to Tryphena's

The use of Love will Tear us Apart is fantastic considering JD’s lead singer (I've forgotten his name) committed suicide as Donnie basically does about six hours later.

It was Ian Curtis. One of my all-time musical heroes. (More so, since I discovered that he was actually a bit of a wanker. Idols NEED those clay feet... otherwise you can't identify.)

Actually, on the subject of the FAA and the fat jogger... IS there any further stuff on the website after that phone conversation transcript?
 
  

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