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000
10:15 / 30.10.02
The CIA's "Operation Cyclone" - Stirring the Hornet's Nest of Islamic Unrest

[Zbigniew] Brzezinski not long ago revealed that on July 3, 1979, unknown to the American public and Congress, President Jimmy Carter secretly authorised $500million to create an international terrorist movement that would spread Islamic fundamentalism in Central Asia and "destabilise" the Soviet Union... The CIA called this Operation Cyclone and in the following years poured $4billion into setting up Islamic training schools in Pakistan (Taliban means "student"). Young zealots were sent to the CIA's spy training camp in Virginia, where future members of al-Qaeda were taught "sabotage skills" - terrorism. Others were recruited at an Islamic school in Brooklyn, New York, within sight of the fated Twin Towers.
[-->> More]

Americans have been made, “aware,” of the dirty bomb for over six months now and have had the dirty bomb “meme” firmly linked to, “Islamic Terrorists.” This is how it’s done. It’s called the, “Back Story.”

While FE MA's Preparing for Mass Destruction Attacks on Cities.

November is here. And it's heavy.

I'm surprised how many of you can turn a blind eye, when so many are warning against such an attack but I suppose this is needed in some way.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
14:59 / 30.10.02
Clarification needed pumpkin.

1) Who is going to be attacking whom? The Taliban attacking the Americans? If you think that the danger of this has been ignored I have to suggest you spend a bit more time in your head rather than walking the astral realms.

2)Who has been warning about the attack? The American Government and assorted agencies, the British government and assorted agencies, Mossad IIRC (depending of course, on which attacks you've been talking about). I don't think anyone's been napping.

3) You're claiming that the American Government is responsible for training Muslim terrorists and are now reaping the results of this? Glad you've finally woken up. We've known this for over a year, what's your excuse?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
17:55 / 30.10.02
The FEMA thing... hasn't that been common knowledge for, like, ages? The detention camps, the introduction of martial law...? (see Jim Keith's "Black Helicopters Over America". Ignore the bits where he decides advocates of gun control are Communists who run the UN, however... I think he was getting a little carried away there).

I think the whole "arming the Islamic fundies" thing seems more like "something that seemed a good idea at the time- we'll piss off the Russkies" and has now sent all its birds of prey back to roost (Do birds of prey roost?) than a planned thing.

Don't get me wrong... I'm not denying that the US Govt has its fingers in some VERY dodgy pies... just think that Afghanistan (in the '80s) was more of a mistake than a Machiavellian plot, insofar as it impacts on the current situation. God, yes, they're gonna capitalise on anything they've got, but...
 
 
000
18:32 / 30.10.02
For fuck's sake.

What is your excuse for not doing any direct action, sweetheart? Yes, you, Lord Flower.

Must I perpetually be the only one connected enough to know that there is another version of the videotape doing the rounds? The videotape that incriminates the American and Israeli governments behind 911.

God, if there is one wish, then it is that people like you wake up and demand change instead of thinking this whole thing might blow over. It won't, it'll just blow.

Ka-Boom.

Open your eyes (Oh, they are...)
 
 
The Monkey
18:47 / 30.10.02
So what does the videotape show?
 
 
Jack Fear
18:48 / 30.10.02
Tell us more about the Jews, Chrome. Tell me the one about how they drink the blood of Christian babies. I love that one.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
18:50 / 30.10.02
I do what I can Chrome, but I have a job. And no nonce-sniffing powers.

But seriously, where have you been? We've been talking about this stuff for ageeeeees. Mommy's little baby needs new shoes.
 
 
Jack Denfeld
21:41 / 30.10.02
What the fuck are you doing Chrome?! Honestly, tell me what the fuck you are doing that's so goddamned different than everyone else? Posting shit that people already know? If you could elaborate ever so slightly on what it is that makes you so superior to the rest of us sheep, then please do.
 
 
_pin
22:06 / 30.10.02
OR! fuck off. Really, I'm easy.

But doesn't he write nice abstracts...
 
 
000
22:39 / 30.10.02
Jack Fear, The Jewish Blood Libel thingy?

You like that?

My, you are one twisted sandshoe, brother Porn.

@OR! fuck off. Really, I'm easy.@

I just abhor people who feel the need to tell others to fuck off, when they could be fucked off themselves. Fuck off Pin, you are not contributive in any way.

Lord Flower, avoiding some questions, where are your basic typing skills when you need them, huh? So what's your job? Hope you're not so half-arsed about things there as you are here.

Denfield, I would love to reply but are you prepared to engage in a discussion? This is a forum, remember? I could type and type 'til Kingdom Come and discuss but I have to know that I am not completely wasting my time -- which has been the major point in my not posting explitive opinions of late.
 
 
000
22:42 / 30.10.02
(And beside feigned attitude, Mr Fear, there is a lot of things I could tell you about child sacrifice, child abuse, women abuse, and the changes which have to be performed if these should be stopped)
 
 
Jack Denfeld
22:53 / 30.10.02
Am I supposed to beg you for your answer? You come here with a bit of information (let's just throw away for a second that most people already knew about this) and then you chastise people for turning their heads. It seems that you forgot a key part of your post. I don't mind if you think people are ignoring what is happening, I don't even mind if you hate people for this. I am annoyed that your post brought up that you thought people were turning a blind eye, were angered by this, but you didn't make a point on what you were doing that was so different.
 
 
000
23:02 / 30.10.02
As I stated, it was feigned attitude. I was really asking you if you would engage in a discussion -- it is a proud, reoccuring tradition in BarbeLore to bait someone (in this case, me and Laila) and not play ballgame with the whole of the postings.
 
 
000
17:28 / 31.10.02
I am sooo glad I didn't write a lengthy post.
 
 
Jack Fear
19:24 / 31.10.02
God, so am I.
 
 
Mr Tricks
22:29 / 31.10.02
Jeeeeezzze does this stuff still happen?

I mean the posted virtual arguments, Not the child sacrifice...(I'm certain that's still happening)
 
 
000
23:33 / 31.10.02
Fear, go back to caning B. Wood. It should give you greater reward.

I find you amazing, you’re a guy> but yet you can achieve multiple sarcasm.

@So what does the videotape show? @

An unnamed (I have my reasons) journalist has done some digging into 911, and among the things he got was someone who had captured 2 Mossad agents cheering when the plane(s) hit the tower(s); investigative trips to Afghanistan, a meeting with bin Ladin, secret documents displayed… Basically one of the armaments we people need to start focusing our rage towards our ruling factions.

I sincerely hope that it will reach enough people before the next ”inevitable” attack occurs.

@Am I supposed to beg you for your answer?@

Optional but not required.

@ (let's just throw away for a second that most people already knew about this)@

Which means what? That most people know but don’t act on it? This is typical, unless a fundamental change occurs – say, a dirty bomb – and results in less freedom and money for our primary needs, most people won’t change their ways. Most people will turn their heads from the basic needs of children, ALL children, namely that of security and safety from any harm. Yet there are so many millions of children on the streets today, and such a high yearly figure of disappearances, and calculated statistics of sexual abuse (69% of the entire Holland population – Doesn’t this not tickle your brains in the slightest?), an abundance of evidence of child labor in many countries, a willingness to subject children to formula milk and thereby weaken their bodies early on, vaccinations which has claimed so and so many millions of babies, and so forth, and so forth.

But most people abstract from these, especially pedophilia. If anything, it is pedophilia which should be stopped FIRST and FOREMOST. The new futility my fucking arse, fucker.

I want you to know that you have a choice, I will keep on reminding you that the choice is there for you to weigh in, if so inclined, and I will never stop until there is a significant change in our societies. It is coming, a promise has been made, but it is when and this is now.

@and then you chastise people for turning their heads.@

From me it is fiiine – but from OUR problems, no can do, I will lure them in and use every trick up my sleeve to anger them, to provoke them, to generate reactions because unless you are a motherfucking Teresa, you are a witless helper to the plans of the American government (I know that other things happen elsewhere but America is the one which is of importance now) which is to enslave the common people, a frightening reality which needs that tiny, extra push to become reality, THINK, 2 black men have shot a dozen people, terrorizing so and so many millions worldwide, breeding racism (well, that is what ’they’ hope anyway); those bloody Muslims, they are terrorists all, blah blah, blah, you get my drift?

@It seems that you forgot a key part of your post. I don't mind if you think people are ignoring what is happening, I don't even mind if you hate people for this. I am annoyed that your post brought up that you thought people were turning a blind eye, were angered by this, but you didn't make a point on what you were doing that was so different. @

Unless we talk about over 10 million people opposing our governments, demonstrating, dethroning the leaders, I will keep on reminding you.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
11:34 / 01.11.02
ChromeMatic HoloFoil of the Dark Sun But most people abstract from these, especially pedophilia. If anything, it is pedophilia which should be stopped FIRST and FOREMOST.

Aghhh! Duck and cover! Duck and cover! OK frankly, piss off. If you want to shout at people who are doing fuck all, go and shout at them, not complain about them in Barbelith. Go on, go shine your magic happy lamp elsewhere rather than posing here, trying to get desperate 'more cred than thou' points, it's boring, it's tedious and it wastes everyone's time. I'm sorry if you think that my having other responsibilities and interests beyond stopping American and British war-mongering somehow makes me some kind of faker but it's just too tedious for words.
Mwah.
 
 
rizla mission
12:13 / 01.11.02
Somehow, it's reassuring to see Chrome et al back on form, doing what they do best etc..
 
 
000
14:18 / 01.11.02
Rizla, I am alone.

@Aghhh! Duck and cover! Duck and cover! OK frankly, piss off.@

Lazy bastard. This is a discussion forum, not the Morrison/Ellis/Millar Appreciation Society, and with these topics, are they really ever going to be conclusively debated?

Piss [away]? Only at your grave.

@If you want to shout at people who are doing fuck all, go and shout at them, not complain about them in Barbelith.@

Now, what was your reason again to do fuck all? Lazy, uncaring bastard.

@Go on, go shine your magic happy lamp elsewhere rather than posing here, trying to get desperate 'more cred than thou' points, it's boring, it's tedious and it wastes everyone's time.@

Oh, now all of a sudden I intimidate you? I find it funny that you perceive me/us as a wasted credibility posture. Lazy, uncaring, stupid bastard.

@I'm sorry if you think that my having other responsibilities and interests beyond stopping American and British war-mongering somehow makes me some kind of faker but it's just too tedious for words.
Mwah.@

Lazy, uncaring, stupid, fake bastard.

Now, are you going to join the revolution or will you still be debating the merits of Transmet when it happens?

Mvah.
 
 
MJ-12
15:18 / 01.11.02
Somehow, it's reassuring to see Chrome et al back on form, doing what they do best etc..

Maybe it's something seasonal. It seems to pop up this time of year.
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
18:06 / 01.11.02
What actions are you proposing, Chrome?
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
12:49 / 02.11.02
ChromeMatic HoloFoil of the blah blah fishcakes;
Lazy bastard. This is a discussion forum, not the Morrison/Ellis/Millar Appreciation Society,

I think runce will point out I haven't being doing much of that either.

and with these topics, are they really ever going to be conclusively debated?

Nope, but you're not adding anything new. We've done all this. And, regardless of the sniping, when have you ever stayed around and DEBATED. Every time we've tried you get all huffy and insist that we treat your nonce-sniffing powers with undeserved respect. You use evidence which often is nothing of the sort.

@If you want to shout at people who are doing fuck all, go and shout at them, not complain about them in Barbelith.@
Now, what was your reason again to do fuck all? Lazy, uncaring bastard.

Look! Over there! It's the point! Quick! Grab it before it gets... damn, missed it. Lets try again. Why are you telling us something needs to be done? Why not tell people who don't know this fact

Second, where did I say I was doing fuck all? I said it was difficult because I had a job. I'm sure if I had your ability to predict the lottery numbers I could be living the life of riley down on the coast. So sorry that I have this childish neanderthal need to keep a roof over my head and food in my stomach, I know I'm the antichrist.
What do you do for a living?

Oh, now all of a sudden I intimidate you?

BWAH-ha-ha! Not even close. I've met Jehovas Witnesses more threatening.

I find it funny that you perceive me/us as a wasted credibility posture.

Hey, I calls it as I sees it. You're very good at trying to turn attacks back on others, but never at the actual 'proving why we're not wastes of genetic coding'.

Now, are you going to join the revolution or will you still be debating the merits of Transmet when it happens?

If I can't read my comics, I'm not interested in the revolution. I've got tired with waiting for you to join in here. So you have a simple choice young Jedi, join in or piss off.
 
 
Ganesh
16:18 / 02.11.02
I'm just glad it's not me doing the 'fruitless, pointless reasoning' bit, this time.
 
 
000
17:19 / 02.11.02
Oh Darling, I know, I know...

To a different beast.

@I think runce will point out I haven't being doing much of that either.@

Well, I was speaking generally, and as such was not aimed exclusively at you. From the beginning when I trode this place, I have always believed that Barbelith could achieve much more than my general example. Now, I don't know when it was but at a certain point Barbelith became this incredibly boring place, with little variations to it's themes - much like I suppose, but I digress... I still hope that it can be a part of revolutionary, I don't know, rhetorics, actions and distribution of 'dangerous' information, as in the example of that videotape. But if it doesn't turn out to be the case, then it sure was nice talking to you, Flower.

@What do you do for a living?@

You first.

@Nope, but you're not adding anything new. We've done all this.@

Exactly. Now, what have you done? I must have missed something here... Nope, checked the SuperContext, nada.

@And, regardless of the sniping, when have you ever stayed around and DEBATED. Every time we've tried you get all huffy and insist that we treat your nonce-sniffing powers with undeserved respect. You use evidence which often is nothing of the sort.@

You seem to have a selective memory. It is fine, I guess, but it sure is irritating because I am not prepared to qoute-unqoute endless passages (or what resembles it) of examples.

Oops, a dinner arrived and interrupted me - I will have to get back to you.
 
 
000
19:46 / 02.11.02
@What actions are you proposing, Chrome?@

A group of people working together for the common good. Helping your next is fine but being ambitious and trying to affect a larger group of people can be – arguably - better. Now, working together implies a common ground, where there are set goals. If the goal is agreeable within everyone of the group and you make a sexy case out of it, attracting the right people, informing as many you can come in contact with then it is a major step, hopefully, to the given destination.

Our societies, built as they are, have many major wrongs which should not exist, and which never should have existed but which do. Take your pick: The true effects of certain Foods, Vaccinations and the truth about BioScares [Ponder about how these things can be allowed, The weakening of the womb, the weakening of the child – because when the beginning of life is imbalanced, we become easier to control – and question the motives of the Institutions which pretend to be our helpers, who in fact are our ’destructors.’], Put one and o n e together, then you have many possible paths in front of you, pick and choose.
 
 
000
19:48 / 02.11.02
Moderator, could you please untangle my weblinks?
 
 
000
11:53 / 03.11.02
Since I mentioned the bombing of an American city as a given this motnh, let me rectify that; for some strange reason, it isn't it but there is something else poised to happen this month, it has to do with our freedom and it will be quite unexpected.

But, you know, there are so many people opposing the American government - did you know that there is one corner of the white house lawn where there is a group of peace activists who have been there everyday for 20 years doing a peace vigil. They take turns going home, but someone is always there manning this area/The demonstrations, which, depending on the news sources ranged from the 100.000's to the 200.000's - there is reason for hope.

You don't have to take the roads of my posting before last, the politics and their recent actions to deprive us of our freedom and wellbeing can be the incentive...

There will only be peace on earth when the last stone falls from the last temple , crushing the skull of the last priest (Politics is religion as well).
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
13:46 / 05.11.02
I suppose asking for a definition of 'something unexpected' would be asking too much?
 
 
000
22:31 / 05.11.02
Too much? Hardly.

"Something unexpected" is something that is unlikely to happen, but which does.
 
 
Mr Tricks
22:46 / 05.11.02
you know out here in the Bay Area California, ALOT of effort has been devoted towards these sorts of endevores since Ohhhhhh the Berkeley Riots of the 60's.

We all do our parts . . . But where are you commin' from man?
do you want to lead a group?
be a part of a group?
or 'rouse the various inhabitants of this underground into action?
If so, what action?
if we're to pick & choose those battles that we find Sexy what's the point of determining who's doing what and who's lazy?
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
09:56 / 06.11.02
ChromeMatic HoloFoil of the Dark Sun "Something unexpected" is something that is unlikely to happen, but which does.

... which is what gives fortune tellers a bad name. 'something unexpected' is so vague as to be useless and can mean anything. In fact, you're right, something unexpected has already happened, I was too ill to go to work on Monday.

It's like he saw what would happen, before it happened! How does he do it? Burn the witch!
 
 
Cherry Bomb
14:17 / 06.11.02
Chrome baby, I've missed ya. How's Laila? How's Greenland?

Look, I'm not going to yell at you. We know the score. At least we know the score with you, et. al, on Barbelith (You post cryptic warnings with weblinks, other posters yell at you, you yell back, other posters yell at you, you post cryptic warnings with weblinks, etc.).

But, and I'm being serious here. We know a lot of the deal with FEMA. The detention camps lying in wait, the suspended democracy in the U.S. (or, should I say, "democracy" at this point), etc. It's all out there on the web, and maybe in a bit I'll find some links for all y'all. We know that it's highly likely that the U.S. knew all about 911 or even engineered it themselves. Hell, my man Gore Vidal said as much in the Observer last weekend.

More than that, any conspiracy theorist with a passing knowledge of COINTELPRO'S dirty tricks in the seventies knows that the man who was in charge of the CIA during the time their advice to bomb one's own citizens in order to get them to agree with a desired ideology was George Bush the First.

We know that the U .S. was all ready making plans to attack Afghanistan as early as July 2001. I think it was in order to build a nice oil pipeline across that country and oh! Another coincidence! Harmid Karzai was a consultant to Unocal Oil Company while based in D.C.

So yes, it all smells of stink. You say do something. I want to do something, and I'm trying. But everything does seems futile. Which doesn't mean I'm giving up. I'm just saying, what do you propose exactly that isn't futile? With all due respect.
 
 
000
16:03 / 06.11.02
Oh Flower, you are so cute when you're funny, I'd probably suffocate you by cuddling you.

Cherry Bomb,

You haven't been active around here, why is that? Life?

Laila's fine, and as you know, we are here to try and demystify areas where there is a lot of hidden knowledge involved - take for instance this "impending" war on Iraq. I do not believe their public agenda. There is something else behind it - and in this case, we have met people who have some inside score to tell: I met an Irish man in Greenland 2 weeks before 911. It was him that gave me an article about St. Patrick, which deconstructed some words and denominators to their basic meaning. He was an interesting person, his brother had been appointed as a priest in the Vatican, and not long after had been assassinated. He himself - because of family money - had been travelling the earth, learning over 10 languages along the way with stops in odd places. "3000 years old stainless steel in Iraq, made into shapes which were peculiar."
Iraq housed Babylon, look it up.
Then another guy, over his 60s, had this to say (and sorry, I can't give more than that): The city of Babylon is rebuild already, in 1997 it was almost ready, when he left. Then he goes on: Nimrod.. it's completely intact... Ninive is completely intact, that is why the people are not allowed to go there, those from the old will come back to where their bloodline started...they are waiting for the return of...
This is intriguing - why would Hussein ask for the return of 5(?) artifacts from around the world - USA is one, the UK another, Italy/Vatican a 3rd (and another country which I can't recall) - and what would he use them for? Solomon and the seal is a muddled story and there is one that links his seal with Nebuchadnezzar - supposedly he stole an artifact that could be considered as a stairway to heaven... Supposedly, Hussein considers himself as a descendant of him, others claim he is the reincarnation made flesh... Don't you think it is funny that with their genealogy, the Arabs and Jews, how they can oppose each other to this day? What separates them (other than religious convictions)? They are of the same tribe (gene) but yet are not -- both (ruling) tribes instigated the Institutions as we know them today, yet they are opposed? What is not being told here?

(I have a possible answer)

Anyway, that was a detour - let me concentrate on the remainder of your post:

@How's Greenland?@

It is fine, I guess, I have moved to Denmark. Yes, there is a story to be told as well.

@We know a lot of the deal with FEMA.@

That is good but again, birdy warns of something untold there, something hidden. Something about our freedom being under threat, and the governmental agencies rushing people in to these detention camps, is one possibility - "Lock them up for their safety," kind of thing, which in the end will prove to be a haven for their desires - you know, slavery, pedophilia and whatever else is their twisted kick.

@But everything does seems futile@

No. This won't be. It is all so close now, so very close, the proofs that the majority need in order to do something. First of all, people have to stop believing in the Church (child abuse sex scandal enraging and alienating many once devotees), we have to stop thinking its all futile and realise that only together, can we stop our ruling heads. They should answer for US, not us to THEM. If we share OUR voice in togetherness, we can affect change.

So what we can do is learn, all that they forbid us to learn, we should gather weapons against them - Wai Says is one (id you know it has been copied by 9 different sites, with no acknowledgement whatever as to its source?), The Ted Gunderson Files is another (pedophilia amongst the crowd of Reagan, Bush Sr. and other notables), the truth about vaccinations is yet another (which kills babies, sterilizes women, spreads diseases), you know - THE FUNDAMENTAL TRUTHS ABOUT OUR IM/BALANCE.

And if enough people act on them, we can rid ourselves from evil.
 
 
Jack Fear
16:18 / 06.11.02
And Baghdad will be the headquarters of Satan in the days of the Tribulation, after the Rapture.

Really. It says so in the Left Behind books.
 
  

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