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Gender and Suicide

 
  

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The Planet of Sound
08:42 / 06.02.02
quote:Originally posted by He said he had a horrible Haus:


You do realise they didn't exist? That they were creations of masculine anxiety? And as such perfectly relevant to the discussion, but in a very different way?


I think they did exist, in one form or another. Whether the Bacchae's cannibalistic rituals were over-puffed in the re-telling is a different matter. Maenads? I also believe Amazon mythos has some basis in historical fact, again, whether those facts have been distorted, Robin Hood/King Arthur stylee through history doesn't remove that grain of truth. Perhaps a lone group of independent female thieves, whose rep built up. These myths may illustrate male paranoia, but 'just because they're after you...'.

A few other pertinent examples of semi-mythologised 'warrior-women'; Boudicca, Joan of Arc, the numerous female (often trans-gender) pirates (rumours that Black Beard was a woman etc), the 'Bandit Queen' . History and mythology are peppered with examples of violent or murderous women (again, illustrating psychological anxieties, but...) Snow White's stepmother, Hansel and Gretel. Women aren't painted by the Western group mind entirely as the sugar and spice surface would suggest.

Now for personal stuff corner: a friend of mine is the father of his girlfriend's child. She told him she was on the pill, became pregnant, announced she was a lesbian, demanded he live with her to raise the child, and now hits him regularly in a tragically cliched example of kitchen sink domestic-tension-abuse. He doesn't hit back, but tries to restrain her. He doesn't leave because he loves his child, and doesn't want to have to go through the courts for access. I suppose he must partly still love her too.

True story; I know some of us like to stick to the theoretical, but what do you make of it? What insights might one gain from such a tale?
 
 
Bill Posters
11:56 / 09.02.02
Not sure what to make of that.

Got a few other thoughts though. The 'argument' that 'men are more violent and therefore use more violent means to kill themselves' is circular (its conclusion being contained in its initial premise) and therefore devoid of any value, explanatory or otherwise.

I have finally found the article I needed and it claims:

"In the past 30 years, suicide among men aged between 15 and 34 has almost doubled, making them by far the fastest growing group of people who take their own lives [and constitutes] a rate four times higher than that for young women. After accidents, suicide is the principle cause of youg male deaths. ...

One councellor told of a patient who broke down and cried at work. "He got hell, no sympathy whatsoever. His collegues saw him as weak and not being able to cope. He was even laughed at. That could well have driven him to suicide."

The mother of a student who took his own life said: "To die needlessly is such a tragedy. The numbers should make it a national emergency." Dr Ian Banks ... of the Men's Health Forum, said: "Society has more or less turned a blind eye to suicides among young men. If a disease ... devoured this number of young men, there would be an outcry." ...

[T]he notion that a real man should be strong and macho persists in atavistic attitudes and in popular culture. ... A recent Samaritans' opinion poll found that three-quarters of the population believe men don't get the same emotional support as women, and that ... nearly three-quarters of men are more confused about their role than they were 10 years ago, and that almost everyone thinks men face stigma when talking about their emotions."

That's from London's Evening Standard Nov 5 2001.

Thoughts?
 
  

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