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Social class and ethical position

 
 
No star here laces
09:11 / 22.10.02
Ever had a conversation like this:

A: "I try to buy fair trade goods because it's unethical the way corporations treat third world workers"
B: "That's so middle class"

Is a global social conscience a luxury only the pampered scions of the middle classes can afford? In today's world political views no longer seem to divide on traditional poor=left, rich=right lines (if indeed they ever did). To what extent do you believe your politics/ethics are determined by your social class? Does this have any influence on their (perceived?) veracity?

Is there a difference in the way different classes attempt to act on their political/ethical views? What class would you associate with, for example, direct action?

And any other relevant questions relating to this issue...
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
11:13 / 22.10.02
Fascinating question, Lyra - thanks.It could go all sorts of ways, as well.

Hmmm. Let's take your initial example - fair trade goods. The middle class person who buys fair trade coffee's thinkign is presumably something like:

I enjoy the taste of coffee. However, I am aware that much coffee is produced under exploitative working conditions. Therefore, so that I can enjoy the taste of coffee without feeling that I am taking part in the exploitation of coffee growers in developing countries, I will pay a premium for the sake of my conscience, in the belief that in doing so I am helping more money to find its way back to source than if I bought non-fair trade coffee.

This is presumably condemned as "middle class" because...well, because ut *sounds* crap. Because, perhaps, one of the elements of being middle class is using a whole set of privilege snad assumptions, including those of exploitative business practices in the developing world - to establish a position of security and comfort. And, therefore, the decision that paying a bit more for coffee makes that all OK is hopelessly shit, when the buyer of coffee is in part responsible for and profiting from the abject conditions that made far trade goods a necessary, if miniscule, necessity.

So I think the objection here is that it is hypocritical rather than just "middle class", although it may well be that also (the two may in fact be inextricably linked). Either start trying to make a difference or just admit that your position is morally totally untenable and start eating babies, but don't do this.

Now, why this should mean the non-middle classes are excluded form this monition is an interesting question. Logically, the exploited worker should feel that the struggle of the peasant coffee grower is *his* struggle; both are being comprehensivley fucked over by the people in power. But at the same time our putative worker is oppressed by the mechanisms of capital that force him to choose between spending more money to enjoy the taste of coffee than he or she can afford (that is, because the differential will be a greater percentage of hir income), or deny hirself the taste of coffee in order to demonmstrate solidarity.

So, what are the ethics of Sainsbury's own-brand coffee?
 
 
bjacques
11:44 / 22.10.02
The ability of the working class to achieve global consciousness through buying green food and energy is almost certainly limited. I don't think my class determines my politics very much. I was right-libertarian in the 80s and now I'm left-libertarian. In any class the politics tend to be personal--determined by role models, friends, etc. Get to someone early enough and during significant life events and you can probably affect their politics. There are strong arguments for both left and right. You would think the rich, owning more of the planet, would take a more proprietary interest in it; being as short-sighted as the rest of us, that interest goes only as far as "Get off my lawn you goddamn kids!"
 
 
Persephone
14:19 / 22.10.02
I have some questions, slightly random:

* Are we looking at the middle class vis-a-vis the working class, and not the "upper" class? This *is* really a question and not a criticism, because it's occurring to me that all my experience is between middle and working, there is no upper class in my world except in novels and, to a small extent, newspapers and magazines.

* Is there such a thing as an upper class anymore? I guess I mean in the sense of a landed aristocracy, or at least in the sense of a group of people who don't work at all for a living --perhaps living off investment income.

* Would you say that in America there's no upper class, just middle (white collar) and working (blue collar). E.g., Bill Gates is definitely middle class, right? Are the Kennedys upper class?

* Does it seem like the middle class has, or feels they have, more to be embarrassed about than the working or upper classes? Or is that just my perspective because I am, probably, middle class?

Where I'm going with this is, if social consciousness is a luxury for the middle class that the working class cannot afford... then what consciousness is afforded by a real life of leisure? Is it the case that the superlatively rich* are superlatively socially conscious, and I just don't know it? And if not, why not? What else happens?

*admitting that "rich" may still mean middle class
 
 
Ethan Hawke
15:44 / 22.10.02
Lyra's clever friend B says - "that's so middle class" because presumably, although wealthy, the upper class is beyond the pale, out eating babies, as Haus puts it, or what have you.

Haus points out the obvious hypocrisy inherent in trying to mitigate the horrors of consumer economy from within consumer economy, but I'd argue that while buying, as in the example, Free Trade Coffee, is hypocritical and pissing in the ocean, didn't someone say "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs?" The main "ability" of the middle class (as a class) is precisely disposable income - income that can be used as a "conspicuous consumer" (in the michael stipe sense) or invested directly in social causes (as a tax right-off to boot). Not everyone has a life that is particularly suited to being involved in "direct action" or whatever interlocutor B would have A do instead of buying the free trade coffee.

If person A said to person B - "I gave 500 pounds to UNICEF this year," would person B reply again "That's so Middle Class"? If so, fuck person B and all s/he stands for.

W/r/t Lyra's question, what social class do we associate "direct action" with, it would have to be again, Middle Class, as most people involved in it are (university) students or former students who presumably have the time and fiscal freedom to devote to making placards and mass mailings and what have you. So the next time someone says they're going to an anti-war rally, you can say "That's so Middle Class of you."
 
 
Ethan Hawke
15:47 / 22.10.02
Post-script to the "students are middle class" thing: Alienation is a privilege in the industrialized world. That's not to say everyone who is a student (whose parents may be paying for her education) is a poseur. I don't see some internal contradiction that will blow a movment apart if a protest contains a few hundred pampered brats. Purity is an overrated goal and a pyrrhic victory when achieved.
 
 
Ethan Hawke
15:54 / 22.10.02
W/R/T Persephone's question- Yes, there is an upper class (in America). And most of the members are young. I see it like this: as you say, Bill Gates is middle class. The couple of generations of post-war entrepreneurs were middle class. But their children, used to a life of privilege, are not. They're the kids who move to Manhattan and have their parents buy lofts for them in SoHo (not that I'd want to live there...) They "work" for a living, but they're not dependent on that work in any real sense as Mommy and Daddy pay rent or buy them clothes or pay for vacation.

Is social consciousness a luxury? Yes, it is. Um, not much more to say about that. Most importantly, it requires time that the working classes do not have. Students (mostly middle class) have that time. Does this make social consciousness a fraud, if it is only available to the fairly wealthy few? No. It still redistriubutes income to some extent, etc.
 
 
Saveloy
16:08 / 22.10.02
"Is a global social conscience a luxury only the pampered scions of the middle classes can afford? "

Well, we need to know what is required, in terms of time, effort, money and influence (these being the things which differentiate the classes, yeah?), to get and maintain a global social conscience. If we work that out, and:

a) any one, crucial part is beyond the reach of the average working class person, household or family (eg: Todd's assertion that "it requires time that the working classes do not have.")

or

b) the total comes to more than a working class person, household or family can produce and still maintain the essentials required to live (home, food, utilities)

or maybe

c) the total comes to more than a working class person, household or family can produce without reducing their standard of living below a certain level (which would be...?)

then I suppose the answer will be yes, it is a middle class luxury. If not, then the answer is no. Is that too simplistic?

We'll need to know, then, not only what is required but what the working class individual/household can provide. I imagine stats on average incomes can't be too hard to find, but what about the time, effort and influence parts of the equation?

We can think about that later; going back to the first bit, does anyone want to have a stab at listing the things required for getting and maintaining a GSC, and possibly even suggest some ball-park figures for 'amounts'?

[I hope this approach doesn't come across as facetious or flippant, I'm genuinely interested]
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
20:46 / 22.10.02
I think this is just a little patronising:

"Is social consciousness a luxury? Yes, it is. Um, not much more to say about that. Most importantly, it requires time that the working classes do not have. Students (mostly middle class) have that time."

It might be useful to draw a distinction between having a social consciousness and *being able* to act upon it. Not strictly on ethical position, but the recently-identified notion of the 'food desert' might be useful here.

A food desert is an area (in general rural or inner city) which has no food shops, or if it does, these are expensive 'late stop' type shops, serving an area of people on low incomes/without the transport to get them to the cheap and 'convenient' out of town supermarkets.

A typical food desert might consist of a large estate of low income families - thus requiring expensive taxi rides to do large family-sized shops, or expecting a parent with two or three kids to manage six bags of shopping onto a bus which may take an hour or more across a large city. Combine this with the likelihood of comparative lack of storage, refrigerated or otherwise and low income families are forced to make small regular shopping trips, costing a lot more.

I mention this because, though at the moment I can't find the reference, read something in the Guardian Society about a project set up by a bunch of people living in such a food desert to bulk buy fairtrade and organic food and sell it via a mobile grocery van that would do a circuit of the big estates. The participants were very vocal about being aware of and wishing to buy fairtrade/organic food/eat healthily in general. They were also aware of, and angry at, the assumption that because they were working class/poor, they were uninformed or uninterested in these issues.

I think it's a lot *easier* to shop ethically if you're middle-class, and that this is much more the point (and has to do with the money/mobility/time associated with the middle classes), rather than a simplistic class analysis which states that working class people (??which working class people? how do we classifiy? aren't interesting in these issues.
 
 
Pepsi Max
07:45 / 23.10.02
bengali> it's a question of visibility, no? the middle classes (defined by income) are perceived as having more disposable cash than the lower income groups and therefore are more frequently the target for organic veg and fairtrade coffee. hence more effort marketing to them and it's kinda assumed that the less wealthy aren't interested. so it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

In opposition to most of the posters so far, I'd argue rather than time or cash, what's important is identification in the formation of these international linkages of patronage and support. Middle-class purchasers of Fairtrade coffee want to identify themselves as equitable, 'nice' people. For those on lower incomes, they may well do the same but they may also identify common interests with other groups - as long as that identification doesnt hurt their own interests. So US unions will protest with Developing World unions reps at IMF conferences. But at the same time, they'll also ask the US government for trade tariffs that indirectly hurt the industries and workers of Developing Economies.

Is social consciousness a luxury?

No more than critical thought of any kind is.
 
 
No star here laces
14:17 / 23.10.02
However...

To posit an alternative view. If you look at it as a Maslow-type hierarchy of needs, with survival at the bottom, followed by self-actualisation followed by philanthropy at the top, it would be natural to assume that the working class would be primarily occupied by bettering themselves - with acheiving survival for themselves and their children and then self-actualisation.

Maybe only when one has acheived self-actualisation (as good a definition of being middle-class as any - middle class children are imbued from birth with the importance of this, as opposed to mere survival) can one attempt to philanthropy. Maybe being middle-class is therefore a prerequisite for philanthropy. B's comment could just be seen as an expression of envy for the fact that A is in a position to be philanthropic.

I'm not saying this is necessarily true, but it is certainly a commonly held view.
 
 
No star here laces
14:18 / 23.10.02
...er. 'Aspire' to philanthropy, that should read...
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
14:55 / 23.10.02
The identification point is a useful one, I think. My eg of the food co-op is one of people who didn't have the time or money, but did wish to identify as buyers of fairtrade food... (The organic point may be a bit of a mare's nest, as there's any element of providing the best for your children that isn't specific to the middle classes)

"hence more effort marketing to them and it's kinda assumed that the less wealthy aren't interested. so it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy"

Yep, pretty much. and this extends in the economics of ethical buying/,marketing, as people have pointed out, it's an expensive luxury at present, niche marketed - self-fulfilling prophecy again. To market and sell fairtrade to mass markets could have the potential (with a bit of investment and imagination and therein lies the problem, I suspect) produce the opposite effect, whereby it becomes less of a expensive/exclusive middle class item by being bulk bought and sold.

Which is where I want to reply to Lyra's thing. What are we talking abuot when we - from quite a critical distance, in most cases, talk about working class? There is a vast working class and not all, or perhaps, even much, of it, is on the breadline, at the point of barely surviving, a la your use of Maslow. Working class does not mean starving, unable to get beyond the basic survival needs, for alot of people.
 
 
XXII:X:II = XXX
14:55 / 23.10.02
I think it's the middle classes that are most socially-conscious because they're educated enough that they understand that to a large extent the social stratification is an intentional condition, and understand the factors that contribute to that situation, and recognize that though they may be removed from it, it is still more likely within the conceivable realm of their possibilities that they could fall into the losing end of those conditions than the winning. The lower classes may understand their conditions intuitively but more often than not lack the education to articulate those conditions in such a way as to make others see the inequity and effect change on them. The upper classes may have the education (though this should never be assumed; wealth often compensates for low comprehension) and the resources to effect change, but they of course do not wish to rock the boat that has served them so well up to that point. Thus, it is often left to the middle classes, as the best and worst of both worlds, to do what they can, but as their demographic is far more hazy than either extremes there is difficulty of consensus, as there are varying degrees of radicality based on how much any one individual or group has to gain or lose.
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
15:08 / 23.10.02
That's very reductive, Vladimir, and rather patronising about the working classes (also saying 'they' can understand things intuitively but not analytically, and therefore cannot affect their own lives, sounds horribly like the 'women have wombs and are therefore hysterical and therefore need their lives to be controlled by men' arguments of the C19... now I'm being reductive)

Perhaps it's not class that's important in how consumption works. I read, once upon a time, this essay by some historian (will check ref.) about a 'character-action' approach to cultural consumption in the C18 which I think might be useful: he proposed that, rather than the engine of consumption being emulation, people consume according to their conception of 'virtue' (i.e. what is 'good, right, appropriate'). So whether one buys into fair trade goods or not depends on whether one thinks that it is a 'virtuous' thing to do (and also on whether one can afford it - I can't, at the moment, but I would make more of an effort if I could - though it doesn't rank as highly in my theoretical virtue list as protesting about GATS, for example). I don't see why, in this case, the 'virtue' of buying fair trade goods or otherwise should be aligned along class demarcations (which I am starting to think are thoroughly out of date anyway) - I'm sure there are plenty of middle-income types who'd rather buy a premium brand/roast from a reputable coffee merchant.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
15:34 / 23.10.02
That last is a very good point, Kit-Kat. And agree, Vladimir, that your sketch is incredibly reductive. I'd chuck in the example of trade unions at this point, to rebuff the idea that working class awareness is intuitive and therefore inarticulate. (and am very dubious about the 'primitivising' slant of that idea... it's all a bit noble savage.) And would probably ask you the same question I'm asking Lyra; what are we talking about when we use the term? There's a touch of homogenising in this thread which leads to these types of 'simple' conclusions.

It's maybe more useful to think about cultures and their value/virtue systems and to say that often class will intersect with this. In that some spaces provided by certain class structures may overlap with the virtue system that prioritises ethical consumption.

Which ties well into Pepsi's point about identification and marketing.
 
 
Ethan Hawke
16:14 / 23.10.02
To be fair, perhaps my comment about social conscience being a luxury did come off a little patronizing. I certainly wouldn't deny that a member of the working class

(and before we start splitting hairs about how arbitrary these labels are, perhaps it would be useful, just this once, to let people paint in broad strokes - people's perceptions of what these labels mean are possibly more interesting and enlightening than arguments about what they "really" mean. Which arguments usually boil down to the never-ending deferment of meaning, anomalous characters who fall in throw the cracks or straddle boundaries, etc., which is interesting but seem to be the only way Head Shop discussions evolve)

could learn about and be horrified by sweatshop conditions, unfair trade, etc. What I wanted to suggest that, in terms of proactively doing something to change these unequal situations, the working class has more basic, survival needs at stake that eat up resources like time, money, and influence, as Saveloy says. I'm largely basing my picture of the working class on Barbara Ehrenreich's recent book Nickel and Dimed, in which the author, who leads a solidly upper middle class existance, for a year takes on various service sector jobs (waitress, Wal-Mart, maid service, etc.) in order to find out what people who actually do these things for a living can and can't afford to do.* To barely pay for rent, a person making close to minimum wage is de facto forced to work more than one job, leading to 10-12 hour days 6 or more days a week. A person employed at Wal-Mart can't take time off to attend a ralph nader rally; they'd lose their job and then in rapid succession home and possessions. They certainly haven't the cash to spend on fair trade goods or to donate to charity. W/R/T Trade Unions, I'm going to disregard my above plea and plump for the idea that trade unions, these days in industrialized societies, are the provence of skilled workers, those making well above the minimum wage and thus - Middle Class - if we're going by purely economc indictators. (This is where the different ways Americans and British people interpret the word "class' muddies everything up)

Of course, as you point out, they could have a social conscience and merely not act on it. But would we say a middle class person, who has a social conscience, in this sense, and then continues to patronize Starbucks or Shell or who-have-you, has a social consciousness at all? Of course not, as they presumably have the time, money, and influence to make a difference. Change will come from the pressures applied by the Middle Class, if at all, however unpure and distasteful and hypocritical that may sound to some. At the risk of being battered by the classicists, I'll bring up Aristotle's concept of the political man, and how its only possible to be involved in politics when one's household is in order (disregarding the sexism, racism, and xenophobia inherent in the idea of an Athenian household).

*(sounds a little patronising, doesn't it? She is patronising in tone, but that's because of her not-uncommon Middle Class view of the poor being somehow more virtuous than the rest of society. For this reason, I don't quite recommend the book; a review of the last chapter and a few viewings of early period "roseanne" would do the job much better)
 
  
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