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ciarconn
01:22 / 26.10.02
I just got this from the chaos magick group at yahoo, What do you think?

We started the Anarkist Magicians Group (AMG) last
summer, sitting on the roof of a friend of mine, after
some of us had been beaten the shit out of in
Gothenburg. Since then, weve been doing a lot of
actions, around twenty all in all this last year. The
11/9 served as another boost, and weve done several
semi-rituals/performances outside the local american
embassy (wich looks like the home of Dath Vader these
days, closing off a city block with fences &
machinegunwielding marines in otherwise friendly
Norway.) Im currently writing from the office of our
own semi-squatted cafe where one of my fellow
magicians has gotten free net-acess going, and
tomorrow our anarcho-cheerleading team will make a
procession to the embassy at the head of a anti-war
demonstration. This group consists of 12 members, 5 of
them are active esoterics.

My point? First of all, that it is possible to be a
magician and not be an egoist, not secluded in
bickering and bullshit and petty feuds. The second is
that there is a lot more to magic than just the good
ole sigilize desire & watch for the coincidence, it is
a powerful tool, especially when employed by a group.
And third? Hmm, I dont think I have the time tonight
to go into the technical aspects, but I find it
interesting that there are whole areas of symphatetic
"positive" (positive as Paracelus saw it, not as the
New Agers) magic that i feel have been very little
explored by the modern revivalists. Burroughs writes a
bit about it in Electronic Revolution, but I havent
seen much writing about it elsewhere.

And on that note, does anyone know of any smallscale
presses giving out pamphlets/small books that would be
interested in some text with that focus?

M.K.
 
 
The Tower Always Falls
15:11 / 27.10.02
Is part of the draw of Chaos Magick not only its high-success rate and adaptability, but also its seeming encouragement of the popular pastime of cultural tourism?

Now that's a veeery interesting point...

I have to admit, on a subconscius level, that may be an attraction for me- for good or for ill. I suppose the question should be "Is cultural tourism a bad thing?" Before we get into this, my question back is what do you mean exactly by cultrual tourism? I think I have an idea what you mean but I want to make sure I'm not misreading the concept or the the question before I more fully answer it...
 
 
penitentvandal
18:38 / 27.10.02
'Cultural Tourism' suggests another question to me -

is Grant Morrison still cool, even if he likes Kula Shaker?
 
 
Wrecks City-Zen
22:24 / 27.10.02
I smell something rotting...

What have ya got against Haley Mills son? PARENT TRAP? SAVED BY THE BELL??

The question is: IS GRANT STILL COOL NOW THAT HE WRITES X-MEN?

And, what happened to KULA SHAKER anyhoo???
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
23:45 / 27.10.02
IS GRANT STILL COOL NOW THAT HE WRITES X-MEN?

Yes and now so is X-men.

Is part of the draw of Chaos Magick not only its high-success rate and adaptability, but also its seeming encouragement of the popular pastime of cultural tourism?

Eeeee... also a worry of mine. This is why I generally try to engage cultural icons that are more or less part of my heritage, like Bugs Bunny and Batman. As well as mythology that I have a long standing relationship with such as Norse beliefs. Cultural artefacts are sacred. Cultural techniques on the otherhand are fairgame as far as I am concerned.
 
 
Wrecks City-Zen
22:37 / 28.10.02
Scratch that...question moved over to here
 
 
Rage
15:18 / 29.10.02
I recently pissed somone off by telling him the truth about my feelings toward him. (I told him that he was sending off negative energy and that I didn't want to be around him anymore.) I was soon notified that I would "find out all about negative energy." Can this fucker do anything to me? He's in another state, and has no idea where I am. Still, he has some of my hairs at his house, I'm sure. I'm ok if I go with the mindstate that he can't do anything to me, right? Because it's in the mindstate, right?
 
 
Rage
15:23 / 29.10.02
This thread looks pretty -magick- now. What's up with it?
 
 
ciarconn
16:52 / 29.10.02
Rage, it depends on a lot of things. Do you believe in karma? then it´s going to come back to you. Does he believe in magic? then it mgiht come back to you, even if you are at the other side of the world (depends on how good is he at magic). Do you feel it would be just that all those bad vibes came back? they might do it. reality and magic are defined by will and belief.
 
 
cusm
19:25 / 29.10.02
The secret of curses is not in the magick you do, but in the other person believing you've done it. People usually curse themselves that way. Though if you want to be sure, do whatever you need to to feel safe. Call up some gods to ask for protection, make a sigel for the connection he might have to you through your hair and draw it on a mirror, or just stop worrying about him at all. If you believe he can't hurt you, that faith is a magick of its own.
 
 
Wrecks City-Zen
19:16 / 31.10.02
True.

It's all in the power of your mind, Rage. If you believe yourself to be cursed then you would have to find a way to break the curse with something else you believe to have that power.Its all slieght of mind.
 
 
rakehell
21:22 / 31.10.02
Kula Shaker split up. Crispian went on to form The Jeevas.
 
 
Wrecks City-Zen
21:23 / 31.10.02
Does anyone know where I could find (online) the enigmatic, elusive, english Kabbalah that Crowley and others were working on?
 
 
Rage
02:12 / 02.11.02
I figured as much. Thanks, guys. Just making sure his mind can't cause anything to happen to me, regardless of what's going on in my mind. Reaffirmation is sweet.
 
 
penitentvandal
18:33 / 02.11.02
Just tell him you'll tell all of us where he lives, Rage...

Here's my next question, and a more serious one than whether Grant's cool for liking KS.

I've spent the past 2+ years working in a santeria-based paradigm, which I've had to abandon recently, all in the process of sloughing my old persona like Ned Slade. Discordian magick has been useful in this process, and rather fun, providing a healthy injection of chaos and silliness into my old system, but I'm not sure how long I want to stick with the Erisian stylee. So my question is - what do I do next?

I want something strange, new, and nice...No nasty satanic/set-ite/cthulhu mythos gubbins for this boy. Any suggestions?
 
 
Wrecks City-Zen
21:46 / 02.11.02
VV - Hail Eris. Congats on the shedding.

Technoccult...to snatch a phrase from some comic book I read. It all comes down to the synthesis of the two hemispheres of the brain...then something truly magical will be manifested.

(I smell a crossover between Magick and Swichboard coming...)

Or - as my mentor told me - back to basics, which for me is "Toltec Sorcery"for the simple reason that, as s/he puts it. " I have't learned anything new in a long time..." ( Though I argued with my Chaos and linguistics and etc, I could see hir point)

Learning is just remembering. I gues it comes down to what you desire to accomplish.

What are you looking for?
 
 
arcboi
10:42 / 03.11.02
Re: Servitors

The form can be anything you want and pure visualization is one method, but rooting it in a visual sigil of some sort usually helps to focus on it.

Phil Hine's flowchart method isn't necessary for all servitor design. I think it works fine though,

The bottom line is: if it works, use it.
 
 
The Tower Always Falls
16:32 / 03.11.02
Does anyone have a link to Hine's flowchart on the web out of curiosity? I haven't mucked about with servitors a great deal but I'm working my self up to it...

Also: on another message board (in a thread about religion actually) another part-time magician/comic creator had this to say...

Yes, [I] believe in chaos magick. She's used it to stunning good effect. `She doesn't summon servitors, though. They're like capuchin monkeys: cute until they start throwing shit and doing what they damn well please.

Now is this just a matter of servitor evolution or faulty programming at the beginning?
 
 
arcboi
18:10 / 03.11.02
http://www.phhine.ndirect.co.uk/

Can't remember if the flowchart's on there though. There's an example in his book Condensed Chaos, but I preferred his circuit diagram model.

My only advice is to plan the design very carefully and keep it as simple as possible. Isolating the true intent is the part you need to think about.

I recently designed a servitor to protect a website and the instructions were to simply mirror any negative intent and reflect it back. Then it would reset. The results were excellent and dealt with some dubious characters in a matter of days. I think the time I took to plan it out paid off and I've had no problems.
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
21:00 / 03.11.02
velvetvandal, apostle of Eris: Hmm.. what made you decide to shed? It might suggest to you what you need to look for. Also, what was good about the last pair of dimes?
 
 
The Falcon
22:26 / 03.11.02
Morrison apologised for liking Kula Shaker, O.K.! It's on his website, in one of the letters bits - Digital Ink.
 
 
illmatic
08:07 / 04.11.02
Arcboi: very interesting, thanks for sharing the information.

Rex: What exactly do you mean by English Qabalah? Crowley's qabalah was taught through the Golden Dawn so I guess you could look at Macgregor Matthers "The Kabbalh Unveiled". For his own works, it'd be 777 and The Book of Thoth.

There are however several system called "English Qabalah" which were developed long after Crowley's death. Is this what you're asking about? One system allots new letter values to the English alphabet based on taking A as 1, and L as 2 and so on (AL being the key). This throws up some interesting gematria from The Book of the Law. There's info on that here .

There's yet another system here as well, devised by Linda Falario.

The fact that two different people are able to come up with rival systems based on the text of Liber AL perhaps says a lot about the subjective nature of the these revelations.

Or - maybe - this shows the inherent richness and extraordinary nature of The Book of the Law?
 
 
The Tower Always Falls
16:56 / 04.11.02
Indeed, thanks arcboi. I'm still wading through the site as we speak...
 
 
penitentvandal
17:20 / 05.11.02
What made me decide to shed?

i was basically becoming, in highly technical magical language, an absolute cunt. I was, to quote Phil Hine, 'addicted to the powerful memes of BEING RIGHT and GETTING EVEN'. And in the end it just ran me down and fucked me off and I got sick of it. So I decided it was time to git right and repent!, and spend some time working in a paradigm which would allow me to be nicer to people...

Not, I hasten to add, that santeria isn't a very nice paradigm, because obviously lots of people can and do use it for healing, community, and all kinds of niceness, but for me on a purely personal basis it was always going to be associated with getting good and riled, allowing Oggun, Chango or Yemaya to posess me, and laying the magickal smackdown on all who annoyed me.

What was nice about the last couple of...I assume you're referring to the last two years and, ah...Well, there was a lot that was nice, and I did have a lot of fun being a vengeance-seeking nastymage. I learned how to bully and intimidate people, I got to do all kinds of cool and scary stuff, and I explored my own capacity for evil to the full in a way which was, ultimately, creative, rather than destructive. I learned a lot about a foreign magickal culture and at the same time deepened and broadened my appreciation of western psychology and ethics. I got to wear lots of black and develop my arm-wrestling and staring match skills, and I got laid with some nice chicks into the bargain. I got a pretty neat book and some rather cool gigs out of the whole process, and I even managed to develop something of a guru-tastic reputation among the local writing community. I've had ace conversations with the strangest of people, I've learned how to drink, and I've came up with some cool and innovative magickal techniques. But, y'know, sooner or later you get bored with being the bad guy and you fancy being more Gandalf than Saruman, y'know?

I have actually been giving some thought to all this lately, and I'm in the process of adopting a new (and perhaps somewhat surprising) paradigm. Basically I've decided that, after so many years faffing about with foreign belief systems, it's time I returned home, metaphorically speaking, and did some magickal work with the extremely powerful systems of the culture I was raised in.

You'll find out what I mean soon enough...
 
  

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