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Do PC Attitudes Hurt Minorities?

 
 
Matthew Fluxington
02:13 / 14.10.02
Recently, in an interview with the editors of Vice Magazine in the New York Press, the Vice editors made several remarks that in print come off as obviously racist. This has led to an organized effort to pressure similar lifestyle magazines to ban all of Vice's advertisers in their own publications.

Defending themselves in a statement made shortly after the email boycott campaign began, they had this to say:

"Being gays, blacks, and East Indians ourselves, we tend to use the vernacular with reckless abandon. We've always felt that PC attitudes always hurt the people they're trying to help. We believe words like 'African American' and 'East Indian' are just excuses for white, middle class, academic liberals to patronize the working classes (of all races) and tell them how to speak," (source: Village Voice)

On another message board, musician/scenester/Vice fan Momus echoes this sentiment:

Words change their meaning in time, according to who speaks them, to whom, with what degree of irony, and with what general context of affection or opprobrium.

Vice magazine is run by people who have set their watches to the correct time, in terms of what words have what meanings to what people. This is why people who make money from trends are buying into them, and have been for a while. They are not affectionately calling, say, Larry Clark, 'pedo' in their articles. But they are calling people, affectionately, 'faggot'. This should tell you something about the word 'faggot' in the year 2002.

Resistance to the 'decriminalisation' of words like 'faggot' can be conservatism disguised as 'sensitivity'. Vice magazine is not conservative. Some people on this thread are.


So. Are they full of shit, coming up with self-serving excuses to market dubious attitudes about racial sensitivity? Do they have a point? The Vice guys mention 'liberals' in a negative sense. Momus accuses those who are opposed to hatespeach as being 'conservatives'. Which is it? How does politics play into this, if at all?
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
08:36 / 14.10.02
Well, we must remember that there is a reason why musicians are musicians...

However, to the purpose. Is it worth distinguishing, say (brackets to indicate that one's choice of emphasis on this fact is a matter entirely for personal conscience):

1) Calling a (straight) friend a faggot.
2) Calling a (gay) friend a faggot.
3) Calling a stranger in the street a faggot because they have bumped into you and made you drop your bagel.
4) Calling a stranger in the street a faggot because you have just seen them emerge from a gay bar.
5) Calling a stranger in the street a faggot just to be friendly, like.
 
 
Cat Chant
10:36 / 14.10.02
A few thoughts about how enforcing PC terminology is part of the policing of class came up in this thread .
 
 
Ganesh
11:10 / 14.10.02
As the Vice snippet itself indicates, there's a certain 'freedom' amongst minority groups to throw around those terms otherwise considered offensive; this is, after all, how terms of abuse are reclaimed. Context, as I'm sure we're all aware, is paramount: who's talking to who, and who's the 'audience'? Graham Norton, say, might refer to himself as a 'poof' on his own TV show, but he's extreeemely careful about applying the label to anyone else without sounding things out very thoroughly first.

I don't think I'd ever consider 'faggot' to be "affectionate" - with the possible sole exception of a (gay) friend who knew me verrry well. Perhaps that tells you something about how out of step I am with "the year 2002"...

More later.
 
 
The Natural Way
12:46 / 14.10.02
Yeah, catch up you old fart.
 
 
Peach Pie
22:19 / 15.11.02
Yeah Ganesh! i'm thinking of taking my blu-tac work of you down, and i've spent three years on it.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
00:02 / 16.11.02
On-topic, children. Flirting in the Conversation. You know the drill.

Flux, has there been any progress on the specific situation referenced above?
 
 
Lurid Archive
02:14 / 16.11.02
Perhaps some of us might suffer fools more gladly? Unjust as it is, not all of us are equally endowed. In a big way.

Also, does Ganesh now embody "political correctness" for some of our newer members? By which I mean, does he now represent a symbol of tolerance in the face of doctrine? Which might be a positive interpretation of that particular construct. Perhaps.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
03:36 / 16.11.02
Not that I'm aware of, Haus. I just checked around to see if anything has come up, but there hasn't been any follow-up articles anywhere that I've seen. My best guess is that Dixon's boycott has been a failure.
 
  
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