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Filth 5

 
  

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Tom Coates
14:01 / 20.10.02
Very strange / good issue - don't have a lot to say about it except that I've read it about six times and it's genuinely confounding in many ways. I personally took the S&M ball to be a very clear egg for the sperm to fertilise - I expect to see the uber sperm burrowing through some of the people attached to the egg. I'm also of the opinion that there wasn't full resistance to the removal of clothing or the subsequent butt-sex - I believe this to be essentially the equivalent of people pushed into psychic performance roles of resisting sex in porn movies, which clearly is horrifying to them at the same time. Weirdly grotesque in places, very alarming in places, strangely intoxicating in places and occasionally very very very unpleasantly ... exciting ...
 
 
primaeval soup
17:03 / 20.10.02
velvetvandal…ah, yes…reminds me of my delight upon walking into the shop and realizing that speculators had snaffled up the “#1” issue of Invisibles Volume 3…

…but are you sure there were any new comics on the shelves? This week's stuff had yet to arrive at my local FP when I dropped by – importer problems? – so I picked Filth #5 up at a different, smaller shop (where, as it happens, the comic was also quite a bit cheaper).

Tom Coates: Weirdly grotesque in places, very alarming in places, strangely intoxicating in places and occasionally very very very unpleasantly ... exciting ...

...This would also describe David Conway’s work pretty well, for me.

It probably seems like I’m harping on this supposed connection. But Morrison has said “Manta Red” made an enormous impression on him. Mentioned Burroughs, Lovecraft, and Hakim Bey in the same breath, if I remember correctly. I’m going to have to dig up my copy of Metal Sushi and reread a few stories…

Your reading of the rape scenes...Gee whiz...It certainly says something about a comic when people can have such divergent impressions of a scene...

Would you mind elaborating on the "I believe this to be...at the same time" bit, though? Couldn't quite grasp what you were getting at.

The wolf that is: I have heard it said that when you go for an underworld experience "shamanically" you find an iron sun.

Yeah? Well, that certainly works out nicely – The Filth is pretty damn “underworld”, wouldn’t you say? Cheers, the wolf that is. Any info on the nature of this iron sun?

This being tipareth would mean it would have to be some kind of central point of turning point in the series, right?

Er… yes, it would, wouldn’t it? Except…um…if this ish is a major turning point…then I can’t really (cough) see how…

…so (cough) (cough-cough) perhaps (cough) (psst – wolf – change the subject quick!)

What about Tony? What about Tony?

Jesus, Morrison truly is the king of introducing a sub-plot and then leaving you hanging for months…

Remember “Who is Number None?”
 
 
primaeval soup
17:07 / 20.10.02
And – hey – let’s not hear any more nonsense about the Hand being the bad guys, or the “vision of loveless normalcy under Status: Q”, or anything like that, eh? I mean, whose side are you on, anyway?? Get with the program, dammit!!

Sorry, no, that came out wrong. I meant to say: Come on, fellows, let’s get into the spirit of things, eh? Good show.

(Otherwise we’ll have to pronounce you an anti-person, and you wouldn’t want that, now, would you?)

Whoops. No, sorry, ignore that last bit; what I mean is:

Look, I can’t see the Hand as bad guys. And I think you’re possibly misunderstanding the phrase “Status: Q” if you think it just means the social status quo.

You know how the worse things get, the further down the alphabet the agents go to refer to the situation in their communications? From “Status: V” to “Status: W” and so on? Well, when the Hand say their mission is to “maintain Status: Q”, it’s just reflecting the melancholic/blackly humorous (realistic?) world-view of The Filth.

The other side of the alphabet (letters P and up) is the responsibility of The Invisibles. The Invisibles are the cool, sexy, optimistic agents of evolution towards “Status:A”. The Hand are the poor fuckers who have to clean up when the Invisibles’s plans go splat. The agents of the Hand have to do their best to prevent devolution of the world towards “Status: Z”. At least, that’s how I’ve been reading it.

The doctor who correctly diagnosed what was wrong with GM and probably saved his life, back in Vol. 1 of the Invisibles? He was an agent of the Hand. See?

So if someone says something like “In The Filth, we enter the point of view of the agents of order; those cruel, villainous forces of control and oppression; those loveless bastard asshole control-freaks who want to –“
– well, I think they’re missing the point.

I imagine things will become more ambiguous and complicated as the series continues, but for the time being, as far as I’m concerned, you can heckle them as much as you like, but the Hand are just as much the good guys as the Invisibles were in their adventures.

“Which side are you on?” Ha!
 
 
Warewullf
17:34 / 20.10.02
Side note:

I was thinking about how the more "traditional" image of the devil was being used more and more these days, after seeing his face on a T-Shirt in a trendy shop. You know, all little horns and pointy goatee as opposed to big curly horns, snarly teeth etc. Then I walk into a shop and buy The Filth #5. Synchronicilicious.
 
 
000
01:19 / 21.10.02
Appropriately Anders (or is that anderes?) is Dutch for "other."
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
11:37 / 21.10.02
Can't see what was so 'outrageous' about this issue that Morrison thought he wasn't going to get it passed by Berger, unless he was still feeling burnt by the whole '120 days of Sod-All' thing from Invisibles.

The whole 'giant killer sperm' thing makes me feel that he's doing the South Park version of the Invisibles, when the script doesn't centre on Slade it's not really that interesting. It says something when Morrison handles topics in a much more adult and sensible manner on a 'kiddies book' like X-Men then just waves his dick about on an adult title like The Filth.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
11:47 / 21.10.02
giant sperm = spunk jihad = karmic fallout from global wankathon
 
 
Perfect Tommy
18:22 / 23.10.02
The South Park version of the Invisibles is probably a pretty accurate tone, really... I mean, it's The Filth, not The Adult and Sensible Discussion of Our Sexuality.

Pacing
I didn't like issue #1 until I'd read #2. Issue #3 was good and all but didn't seem to end in the right place. To me, it seems like there's the story in its entirety, and it's been arbitrarily cut into 22-page segments. So it's a good story but it keeps getting interrupted at the wrong time--a damned shame which is not very avoidable if it's being published monthly.

Resistance
I'd have been with CameronS's suspicions, if it weren't for the delivery man. On the Preacher connection: aren't the detectives taking the place of the Sex Detectives?

Status Q
In Secret Origin's universe, the Status Quorum is a bunch of gaudy obvious good guys fighting black-suited villains. In the next universe up, said black-suited villains are enforcing Status:Q--they're the "good guys". What does that imply about the NEXT universe up--ours? (No really, I'm asking...) And obviously, put scare quotes and shrugs and wry facial expressions over all instances of "good", duality is so passe, blah blah blah.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
18:44 / 23.10.02
Well, I didn't like 'eXistenZ' either, so I was never going to like this... I like most of Morrison's ideas, just find the 'putting them into a storyline' part a bit of a problem...
 
 
Perfect Tommy
15:52 / 24.10.02
I hear you--I have suspected that a big part of why I have been enjoying The Filth is because I happen to like Morrison even when he's pretty much just jazzing around. It's like having the gene for tasting cyanide or something.
 
 
the Fool
03:54 / 28.10.02
Just a thought I had...

Black Ink - creative force. Maker of imposible marvels for harvesting from the paperverse.

Black Jism - destructive force. Maker of imposible horror for harvesting by the pornomancer.

Are they perhaps one and the same?

Black Magic Mirror.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
09:19 / 28.10.02
existenz is a good reference point for the filth.

lookit this culture sandwich:

invisibles (bread) matrix (filling) existenz (filling) filth (bread)

anyway: all that stuff bout black jizz and ink n that - seems as if morrison is really exploring fiction/reality interface technology within The Filth - he's moving away from image based processes (sigils etc.)and towards molecular information exchange (black jizz, ink suits etc).

dirty fucker that he is.
 
 
Poke it with a stick
14:26 / 30.10.02
The whole swimming pool/orgy scene just reminded me strongly of De Sade's experiments in the Invisibles, with the magic mirror or orgone(? - it's been a while since I re-read it) taking on the form of whatever the nearest person was imagining - is this a flipside to that? Is Tex some sort of (evil) representation of De Sade?
Oh, and the whole smelling ammonia thing reminded me of teenage years and Haze...
 
 
The Natural Way
14:51 / 30.10.02
Well, the Anti-Mirror's something to imbibe if you kinda like yr road to heaven to run through the depths of hell...

Tex certainly does - his key to heaven appears to be attack-spunk.
 
 
molotovwaiting
05:18 / 20.11.02
Anders Klimarks comment about everything that is Anders Klimarks (and all that he knows about himself) is contained in his bag, had me thinking about a paper i read a number of years ago by Villem Flusser called "The Bag", who also presented the same dilemma (though his bag was stolen and later recovered) expanding upon ideas of memory and the organisation of things. it is an interesting short little paper. you can find it at this address and just download the PDF titled 'Software'. i'm just wondering if Grant had read this paper? anyway enjoying the filth for it's tactile nature; a book i like reading just for the articles. reminds me more of 'the prisoner' in it's setup, ideas and narrative flow than 'the invisibles' did
I hijack a loop
for where it takes me
again and demands
like a dirty book read well
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
08:54 / 20.11.02
anders bag is the tesco's one jack picked up in the locker.

nah - is it fuck.
 
  

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