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kid coagulant
15:56 / 10.10.02
This one's for all the porno freaks...

'The Filth' #5
 
 
hypersimulation
16:25 / 10.10.02
I'm now confident this comic will be the pinnacle of
all human creative endevour.
 
 
--
18:03 / 10.10.02
damn, my comic store hasn't even stocked Filth #4 yet. I'm falling behind
 
 
CameronStewart
18:32 / 10.10.02
"There's only one guy in the business who fires the BLACK juice..."

Someone's been listening to Blue Jam, I reckon.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
18:51 / 10.10.02
Funny, that first page reminds me of the Brass Eye special.
 
 
rizla mission
13:25 / 11.10.02
Gracious. Looks like this is one that might take some explaining when I sit in the front room reading it..
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
11:51 / 17.10.02
I scored this at lunch.

any ones else have their filthy cocks smudged up?
 
 
Jack Fear
12:20 / 17.10.02
That's the essence of the joke, I think: the incredibly-obvious pixellation of the genitalia. What was not a joke, but was still funny, was that my local shop was selling this issue in pre-sealed mylar bags.

This comic is like a fistfull of bad acid.

I'll need to give it an intense re-read before I can really comment--and that means waiting 'til the kids are in bed--but...

Does it strike anyone else as odd that Jenesis Jones works alone? From what we've seen, the Hand generally operates in groups (all the better to maintain Status:Q, I would imagine): but Jones arrives by herself, and almost immediately breaks training and is blindsided--exactly the sort of thing that working in pairs is supposed to prevent.

As someone said earlier, the Hand are agents of control and repression, but really, they're a bit crap, aren't they...
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
12:43 / 17.10.02
yeah jack, not read it yet - thought it may have been deliberate. thanks for confimation.

I love the ascii art cover.
 
 
bigsunnydavros
13:19 / 17.10.02
Hey everybody, I'm new here, so I'll apologise in advance for being a bit bumbly and incoherent with this post!

I really liked this issue, but found myself having two very different reactions to it while I was reading it.

On one hand, I was giggling my arse off like the immature/easily amused little boy I am at all the daft stuff in this issue. I think it’s fair to say that I find the title “Beelzebugger 2: The Second Coming Of Evil” much more amusing than I should, but hey…

On the other hand this issue kinda creeped me out a lot. Despite it’s inherently ridiculous nature I couldn’t help but think that this issue marked something of a turning point in The Filth in terms of how pornography is shown. Up till now its always been something which has been consumed in an embarrassed fashion, but here we get to see it’s production, and it’s much more unpleasant. I know it was a sensationalistic big adventure story with cackling mega-villains and gigantic super-sperm, but all the brutality got to me somehow.

I think it’s because me and my mate were talking about porn last night, and how he would like to like it, but cant get past the violent nature of a lot of it… I think that that kind of exploitative vibe came across here… albeit in a ridiculous fashion.

Strangely, I found myself liking the two detectives a lot, despite the fact that they seem to be entirely throwaway… I dunno why really, but I found them quite amusing.

I have to say that I think this is the best cover yet for this series… it’s just so perfect and trashy and cool and it looks much better than it did when I saw all the on-line previews of it (which looked good, but not nearly as cool as the real version does).

I’ll try and think of some more things to say after I re-read it a couple of times…
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
13:23 / 17.10.02
Very busy, but wanted to offer my thoughts.

I was initially very upset over the male rape scenes in Texas Porneau's place. I'm not amused by rape scenes (ask me how I got through Preacher sometime). BUT this morning I was discussing it with a friend and it finally dawned on me. They weren't really resisting. Weston drew them idly taking off their clothes saying 'No,' but they did little to fight back.

I feel very dim if this is obvious, but it struck me that this was exactly like a porno. The innocent victim act.

Very slick.

But I think it's terribly easy to see those scenes are rape acts and I wonder how it will be received.

Black pearls.
 
 
penitentvandal
17:59 / 17.10.02
Well, the subtext with the Outer Church was that - from one P.O.V - they were all a bunch of dirty old rapists, wasn't it? Even the way they (extreme interpolation of other thread topic here, but what the hell) ranted about what they'd do to the Invisibles was a bit quasi-sexual. Indeed, openly so in places: 'You will be...Raped. There is really no other word for it...' And there was Quimper - the ultimate sleazy pornographer. 'He's making the girls do it with aliens.' (which is, of course, in this age of Bizarre magazine, Ben Dover's next obvious career move: getting involved with MUFON and Budd Hopkins to film 'genuine amateur Grey-fucking' vids. But I digress...)

Haven't read the issue in question yet - I get my fix from the local FP 2moro - but a thought does kind of spurt in my face about it: maybe this 'ludicrous male-rape at the home of a guy with a daft cowboy name' is Morrison's response to the Preacher-meme?

Just a random thought there. Prob'ly bullshit.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
18:17 / 17.10.02
Rape ain't about sex, though. To say so is to completely misunderstand the idea (meaning many people say it as such, I'm not attacking you personally). It's about the oblivion of self, turning someone else into an extension of your wants/desires, using them, putting a power trip on them so that what they want has nothing to do with what they get, to hurt them and distort their perception of self.

I think the rape in porn is a kind of frankly destructive fantasy routine. 'They all really want it, you know' type of thing. To see rape as not being destructive, but as a lot of fun. But Grant himself has joked about rape in the past which I thought pretty tasteless, but he is human so...

I dunno if the Preacher meme is correct or not, but I don't really like Preacher nowadays, so you tell me when you read it.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
20:10 / 17.10.02
This is the first issue that I've really enjoyed. I'd like to think it's because the story finally started MOVING, and not because it had a lot of nudity.

It seems to me that Tex Porneau is thinly veiled parody of Max Hardcore. Unfortunately that's the best link I can find...
 
 
bigsunnydavros
21:28 / 17.10.02
The plot does have more momentum this ish doesn't it?

I dont think that this issue is connecting with the Preacher-meme as such, but it does really seem to take on the whole porn/destructive fantasy thing quite head on... the whole thing reminds me of the bit in the first issue where Greg Feely gets his brains literaly shagged out in the shower. I always really liked that scene because up until then we'd seen him immersed in porn movies and magazines, and then his life turns into a scene from one and it's not pleasant at all. I dunno if that makes any sense to anyone else, but I likes it...
 
 
CameronStewart
22:56 / 17.10.02
>>>I was initially very upset over the male rape scenes in Texas Porneau's place... Weston drew them idly taking off their clothes saying 'No,' but they did little to fight back....I feel very dim if this is obvious, but it struck me that this was exactly like a porno. The innocent victim act....Very slick.<<<

I'd be very surprised if this was an actual script direction - "Make sure you draw them offering little more than feeble resistance..." - I think it's far more likely that, for all of Weston's obvious skill at rendering, his work is generally very stiff and emotionless....
 
 
Mr Tricks
23:07 / 17.10.02
That may be the case CAM...

But it made be think of that huge S&M sphere as having a massive Porno-Gravity... Anyone with-in it's range would suddenly act as if they where charactors in a porno...

Sort of give new meaning to the term Event-Horizon

I got the sence they didn't resist Too Hard... otherwise a gun would have been pulled. Same with the Fed-Ex dude though his plees seemed more believable, thus his was more of a sympathetic tragidy... and that chicken suit!!!

Those 2 cops read like the same cops from Westons 1st Invisibles issue with Jim Crow... Also that S&M sphere reminded me alot of that BLACK IRON SUN from Jim Crow's Mirror Universe.

Other Inivisible memes showing thorough... That Super Sperm looked vaguely like a BARBELITH... the inner dot the parallel lines... think about it....

The Black Juice as the Anti-Mirror as well...

this whole story mademe wonder how Jack Frost would handle showing up at Tex's front Door.

Fuck or Be FUCK indeed.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
08:19 / 18.10.02
This is Morrison working through the psychic kickback from the global wankathon I reckon.
 
 
primaeval soup
13:21 / 18.10.02
I’m guessing that Texas Porneau is also a riff on Doctor Moreau from the H.G.Wells book.

(Okay, okay: from all the movie versions of the H.G.Wells book. Happy now? Jeez, can't a man try to pretend to be well-read every now and then?)
 
 
primaeval soup
13:21 / 18.10.02
There’s quite a few motifs from porn movies popping up in this issue, isn’t there? The female investigator who gets it on with the suspected criminal – the delivery man who joins in the “fun” on his arrival at a house – “How many porn movie clichés can you spot, kids?”
 
 
The Natural Way
13:37 / 18.10.02
Was too busy pissing myself (and occasionally going "Urrgh! That's not water!") to come up with any DEEP response.

Will reread it and come up w/ something DEEP later.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
13:58 / 18.10.02
Anyone clock 'Spunk Jihad'?

I love all the drug smoking in this comic. Makes me want to try crack.

'It's under control' - ha ha ha bleurgh.
 
 
Jack Fear
14:14 / 18.10.02
Note: the WANTED and MISSING posters in the police station. They're repeated several times. Wonder if they'll prove significant?

Missing: Adela Steele, Wanted: Chistian Ricci (was that the name? or is my memory clouded by last night's viewing of THE ICE STORM? haven't got the comic front of me)

Note: Jenesis Jones is an agent of the Finger division, yet her badge has a Palm insignia. Did she transfer divisions? Made me think of George Harper's comment in THE INVISIBLES, about how he envied "those lucky buggers in Vice ... [who] get to watch [porn] all day."

Note: an agent of the Finger, the division of the Hand dedicated to regulating sexual behavior, works alone--without a partner. Appropriate, given the loveless, onanistic vision of sexual-normalcy-under-Status:Q that's been implied.

Evil: re: porn motifs: Yes. I was waiting for the cable repairman to arrive at Tex Porneau's house. Or the pool cleaner.
 
 
XXII:X:II = XXX
15:08 / 18.10.02
Note: Jenesis Jones is an agent of the Finger division, yet her badge has a Palm insignia. Did she transfer divisions?

Point A: Jenesis Jones is a porn name if I've ever heard one. It's The Devil In Miss Jones quite literally, yesno?

Point B: Jones may flash one division of the Hand and say another because she's actually a rogue Hand agent. That, or the Palm logo is the umbrella logo of the Hand and thus the Palm is its obviously central division.

Point C: I think the nature of Klimakks' spooge is that it has an irresistable sexual pheromone, which Porneau uses to compel people into his love shack and act as though they're porn stars. There's a definite trend of drug use in the porn industry, which Klimakks personifies, what with him being Dutch, den of hedonism that that culture is portrayed to be. Klimakks' sperm, monsterized, probably quite literally radiate indulgence at any cost.

In the end, I think this issue is a send-up of porn conventions and the power plays inherent in their plots, the industry and the consumers. At the end is the ultimate penetration, and Porneau even says that Sex = Death. It's a big "little death," don't you think? What man, despite his better nature, feel an involuntary swell of pride if his jism punched straight through his partner's backside? It's repulsive, yes, and that's what Morrison wants us to feel about the whole seedy affair, but as with much else he's portrayed it's a repulsive that's simultaneously and uncomfortably attractive, which is a feeling better dealt with than ignored.

BTW, am I the only one who spotted Grant himself hiding in the background of the porn shoot on pg 2?
 
 
Jack Fear
15:25 / 18.10.02
Heh heh. You said "seedy."
 
 
Jack Fear
15:55 / 18.10.02
And "shoot." Heh.

And "swell." Heh heh heh heh heh.
 
 
penitentvandal
21:38 / 18.10.02
Hmm. Certainly didn't want to imply that I make the mistake of cosnidering rape and sex to be the same thing...Perhaps 'quasi-sexual' isn't the best word to describe the ugly, I'm-gonna-do-you rantings of Friday, Quimper et al...

I think I've heard of Max Hardcore. IIRC, he's the little scrote who likes to bang out all that sick 'extreme' pornography with girls literally choking on peoples' dicks, isn't he? Seem to remember reading a Guardian article about the sad cunt. Very much a man in need of extensive 'therapy', I reckon.

Preacher seemed like a fantastic piece of work when I initially read it but now it all seems kind of silly. At the minute I prefer Ennis' Punisher stuff, doing Frank Castle as almost the anti-Jesse Custer: he's not doing it coz it's right, it's just coz he likes the adrenalin. I find that kind of interesting, if not exactly original.

I have to say I love the idea of a magickal device which makes people act like characters in a porno movie, tho'. If it weren't such a horribly unethical thing to do, magickally speaking, I'd be sorely tempted to design one...
 
 
Seth
22:45 / 18.10.02
Hmmm. After reading this thread I was surprised at how little this issue had to do with genuine pornography (in terms of the issues involved). It was just a big fun Russ Meyer stompathon. I mean, porno stars don't tend to have unique qualities, as Anders mentioned. They just have big dicks, can stay hard and cum on cue - the dialogue was pure silliness.

Narrative-wise, we're talking standard James Bond fare, which is pretty good fun. Thematically, we're back to well-trodden gnostic territory; Porneau as director = God; Anders = Satan (obviously from the opening panels, the black jizz being a darker counterpoint to the white creative element); both Porneau and Anders exhibiting qualities of the demiurge; the black SM sphere continuing the bonzai-earth motif, also reminding me strongly of the feminine/earth parallel (resembling an unfertilized egg) where the airborne sperm echoed with the male/sky parallel.
 
 
dlotemp
23:18 / 18.10.02
I've got to agree with exp - this was the James Bond versus Porn lord issue. Lots of twisted fun. A demented sci-fi cop show. I wonder if the super sperm were influenced by or an homage to the famous essay "Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex" by Larry Niven. If anyone is unfamiliar with it, I believe you can find it on the Internet, but one of the infamous ideas postulated was that Smallville, hometown of Superman, should be riddled with little holes from all of the Kryptonian sperm whizzing about at godawful speeds. Little deaths indeed.

Suprised that Morrison didn't work in the play on Descartes' theorem - Coito Ergo Sum.
Meaning I......well, yknow.......therefore I am.

PS - did anyone notice a KM-looking chap working the cameras in the background on Pages 2-3? Reminded me of the KM from Counting to None.
 
 
glassonion
13:46 / 19.10.02
the bald and balding fellows are morrison and weston resp. surely? really wouldn't want to be carrying that porn star's baby. what's the name of the actor who plays porno-man in all the movies like 8mm and the big lebowski? will a twat like ned be able to rescue all these ladies? the monkey hates porn enough already.
 
 
primaeval soup
16:04 / 19.10.02

I like the psychology of this issue – Anders Klimakks (i.e. sexuality) is really a pretty healthy, likeable guy. He only ends up being a devil after hours of “make-up”, to cater to the repressed tastes of Religious Fundamentalists – and similarly, he only becomes the father of murdering monsters when he gets appropriated by the hate-filled Tex Porneau.

Do you think this is too simplistic a reading?

runce-marriage: Was too busy pissing myself (and occasionally going "Urrgh! That's not water!") to come up with any DEEP response.

Funnily enough, runce, I go “Urrgh! That’s not water!” whenever I piss myself, too.

Vlad: The Devil In Miss Jones quite literally

Ooh, nice one!

There’s a strong smell of David Conway off this ish. What was that short story? “Manta Red” or something? It had a pornography star being dragged into a mad experiment in some guy’s house – mutant monster sperm – a pool roiling and churning with scary creatures – and ended with a scene of newly-evolved monsters shooting off from the mad guy’s house to wreak havoc on a city.

Um…I’m not sure I want to saythis, but…is it just my filthy mind, or did anyone else feel weird about that line the delivery guy came out with? “Please – I have two young boys!” I know what he meant, but the line seems wrong somehow… Look, no, on second thoughts, forget I mentioned it.

The crack-smoking cop refers to the Hand as “untouchables”.
1: Connery and Costner and crew. Elite squad of policemen. Their job: to clean up the town.
2: Those at the bottom of the Indian caste system. “The lowest of the low.”
3: Alternative name for this series. Identifies it as the sister-series of The Invisibles. The Untouchables

I’ve got to admit that this issue disappointed me a little. Some of it seemed a little…sloppy. Things like the accidental (?) repetition of Tex’s dialogue on page 16 irritated me. Where’s the editor? On page 18, why do we cut to an outside view of Tex’s place on the last panel? It might make some sense if it was the end of the scene, but it’s not – we’re back inside the house on the very next panel. Are we supposed to be looking at the roof opening up to let the super-sperm out? If we are, it doesn’t look like it. There’s quite a lot of silent panels in the comic, where nothing seems to be happening, or we’re not learning or seeing anything new. Is some dialogue missing? These panels of dullness mess with the pacing of the comic, for me. And why is that third caption on page 8 so amateurish-looking? Was something else written there, but had to be hastily changed before publication?

Maybe it’s all deliberate – a reference to the infamously poor production values of much pornography. Or maybe I’m just an anal-retentive pedant.

Anyway.

The fellow on the porn set that looks like GM had me puzzled – since ish three, I’d thought that Ned/Greg was GM. And those “wanted”/”missing” posters in the police station…hmm…how likely is it that this is some kind of in-joke, and they’re all friends of Chris Weston?

Oh, and: Marxist monkeys giving out about porn? Have a wee glance at Ultimate X-Men #22.
 
 
primaeval soup
16:20 / 19.10.02
Okay – because you demanded it (ha!) –

More Kabbalistic Kraziness!!! (or: “I dremt a ainjil kissed me”)

We’re on issue five now, so that’s the Sephirah (or Sephiroth? I really should look up a book or something) Tiphareth, isn’t it? And Tiphareth is s’posed to be all about “The Knowledge and Communication of the Holy Guardian Angel”, remember? And so we get a whole issue set in…The City Of Angels.

But we’re doing the Dark side of the Tree of Life, so instead of an angel we’re introduced (in the first three pages) to a devil.

The “knowledge” of your guardian angel that occurs in Tiphareth is alleged to also be knowledge in the biblical sense of the word – the experience often seems to have a sexual component – and a somewhat S&M sexual component at that. It can be an experience of being “overcome” – “ravished” – an experience of “submitting oneself” to one’s HGA. Apparently.

But it’s still a positiveexperience – the submission is, in the end, voluntary – and initiates report feeling an incredible sense of being loved by their HGA.

In Filth#5, on the other hand, we’re treated to multiple scenes of violent, loveless rape (and I’ve got to disagree with Mister Six and Mister Tricks here – seems to me like everyone who gets raped in the issue is pretty damned unhappy about it – first panel of page 15, I’m guessing the cop is reaching for his gun – and if they’re not “resisting” it’s because they’ve got dozens of mad fuckers physically overwhelming them, holding them down, while monster-sized sperm are scaring them shitless). Ultimately, the issue’s “climactic” panel – the “money shot” that Tex referred to – gives us “The Rape of Beverly Hills” – the violent, nightmarish meeting of man and “angelic” being.

Hmm. When I first read Mr Tricks’s post about the super-sperm looking like Barbelith, I dismissed the idea. And I still can’t see any similarity, to be honest. But… Barbelith functioned as a kind of HGA of the Invisibles Universe…so…?

More stuff:

The symbol of Tiphareth is the Sun – instead we get a Trash-Sun – the sphere that Tex has in his house. (Sorry, exp, your "sphere=earth" idea simply doesn't fit my all-encompassing filing system, and must therefore be ignored.)

Jack Davenport has pointed out that till now in the series, pornography was something that was consumed, and now we’re seeing how it’s produced – this would gel with the idea that the further beyond Malkuth you go, the more you’re seeing “the man behind the curtains”…

Finally (and even I think this one is a stretch) – one of the detectives is named “Whim”. Odd name. The character that looks like the Devil in Jim Woodring’s Frank stories is also called “Whim”.

So – how much of this nonsense are you swallowing? C’mon, spit or swallow?
 
 
primaeval soup
17:12 / 19.10.02
(This was posted by velvetvandal version 2.0 over on the Magick forum, in the "Washington sniper" thread -- I thought I ought to repost it here, coz it's such a fucking brilliant idea -- hope you don't mind, velvetvandal.)

- 'The Sniper', in a strange way, actually sounds like a Tarot card in itself. Imagine that: a Qlipothic tarot made up of modern archetypes of fear: The Sniper, The Terrorist, The Paedophile...It sounds pretty cool, in an awful, Filth kind of way.
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
21:32 / 19.10.02
I have heard it said that when you go for an underworld experience "shamanically" you find an iron sun.

This being tipareth would mean it would have to be some kind of central point of turning point in the series, right?

Excellent look at the Kaballistics very qlyipaedophillotic.
 
 
penitentvandal
10:01 / 20.10.02
I don't mind at all, Evil.

What I do mind, tho', is the fact that my local branch of FP had precisely 0 copies of Filth #5 in when I visited on Saturday. Which means that either (a) they haven't sorted out their shelves, (b)they don't have it in yet, for some reason or (c) mylar-loving fanboy speculator cumbubble slutmunching bastards have descended on the shop and bought up every single copy of the 'controversial' (and hence 'valuable') issue on Friday afternoon while I was down the pub having a social life. Whores.

Nothing to do with any of you guys, that. I just needed to vent.
 
  

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