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The people versus MC: Barbeinterview

 
  

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grant
15:57 / 14.10.02
How much money would it take for you to put naked pictures of yourself on the net?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
17:55 / 14.10.02
50p and a pound of grapes.

Hah. Not sure, really... it would have to be a fair whack, several thou. at least, purely to compensate for the inevitable jeers of "I've seen you naked!" I'd get from certain quarters, every time I said anything they didn't like.
 
 
grant
19:09 / 14.10.02
How much money would it take for you to manage a site that put naked pictures of other people (strangers) up on the web?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
19:18 / 14.10.02
Assuming that the strangers involved are all consenting adults and the hypothetical enterprise is all above board... I dunno, really. Whatever the going rate is. I'm not exactly highly paid at the mo.

However, the question is academic, since fifty p. and what I know about managing a website would buy you a cuppa.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
22:43 / 14.10.02
(Everyone with questions in the post: I'm getting to 'em, people. I'm playing with the short silly questions while the Carbonite sickness wears off.)

Who would win in a fight, you or Haus? You or Laurence-Llewellyn-etc.-etc.?

I would always win any fight with anybody. This is because, when my opponents think they've struck the fatal blow, they invariably have to walk over and investigate the body of their defeated foe. At which point I can suddenly wake up and throttle 'em as the credits roll and the guitars wail.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
13:19 / 31.10.02
You've talked about a kneejerk 'anti scienc-ism' on Barbelith before, care to expand? It seems to frustrate you and piss you off. Do you get off on being in the hectored minority?

Hector me! Hector me! You know you want to! Yeah, baby, give it to me good!

Okay. This is where I piss everyone off and lose all my friends.

Grab some popcorn.

Firstly I don't feel that I, personally, am being or have been hectored. However I do find myself increasingly frustrated with what I see as the rejection of empirical analysis as a tool.

Yes, I get the fact that "reality" isn't something we experience directly, but is something that arrives third- or fourth-hand, via a complicated array of perceptual filters. And I get that this might lead us to conclude that there is no such thing as reality, and that we all create our own universes and so on and so forth. Totally getting that. Philosophically, it makes a certain amount of sense: the only thing we can ever possibly know for sure, beyond a shadow of a doubt, is the single moment of consciousness that we are experiencing now, at this very moment, and everything else is a matter of interpretation.

However.

Okay, let's start with cogito ergo sum. I don't know for sure that the world around me is real. It might all be a dream or a hallucination or The Matrix or whatever. I have chosen to accept the world that I percive as "reality". See, it works like this: If my reality is real, and I behave as if it isn't, I could get hit by a bus. If my reality isn't real, and I pretend that it is (whilst still paranoically checking for cracks, just in case I am in The Matrix), I don't really lose anything that I'm aware of.

So now I've accepted the reality that my perceptions are serving up as "real". What's next?

Say I recive a piece of information. How do I verify it? Surely no event can be interpreted unproblematically but must be given meaning by the interpreter?

Well... sorta. However, I would suggest that certain core facts can be established beyond reasonable doubt by empirical means, and that empiricsm remains the best tool in the box for establishing them.

If your best mate disappeared, would you want the police to tell you that on a quantum level your friend was both alive and dead, that they were putting their top psychics on it right now and that they were going to use purely intuitive methods to find them? If your friend turned up dead in a ditch, would you want their death investigated using forensic techniques or deconstucted?

This isn't just about the board. The board is just reflecting the anti-science vibe of society in general. It angers me, really angers me, that left-wing intellectuals have all jumped on the post-modern, anti science bandwagon. I feel like everyone wants to hand over the power-tools to the Nazis.

(Damn. This isn't coming out as well-reasoned as I'd like.)

I also feel a sense of real horror when I look at the way that most magickians reject science out of hand. (This isn't directed at the Barbelith Magick crew, BTW. It's a general observation.) One of the concepts I see cropping up again and again is the idea that if Magick works then "cause and effect" is dead. No, it isn't! All you're doing is introducing another kind of cause and getting another kind of effect. There's also a disturbing tendancy to reject widely-held concepts, such as Darwinism, simply because they are widely-held. I'm all for dragging out assumptions and giving them a good old re-examining, but that's not what I'm talking about. Questioning is good, but what I see time and time again is not questioning but a kneejerk, out-of-hand rejection. Moon landings being questioned by some random nutsack? Must be made up, then! Fred Hoyle once suggested that archeopteryx fossils were phoney? Must be faked, then! And don't even get me started on the whole "aliens built the pyramids" bit. Von Danniken me no Von Dannikens.

I'd just like to know what people think scientists do all bloody day.

"Ah, there's nothing like destroying some inconveniently anomalous fossils to give one an appetite."

"Yes indeed. Tediously re-confirming already accepted theories is what us white-coated, bespectacled creepazoids live for."

"Well, Heaven forfend that we should investigate anything new. Have you put in your application for that Proving Stuff Everyone Already Belives So As To Maintain The Status Quo grant yet?"

"Indeed I have. I hear you're up for the Concealing Anything That Doesn't Accord With Our Narrow-Minded And Hidebound Veiws Award this year."

"I am, but that'll probably go to one of the guys over in UFO cover-ups again. Still, nice to be nominated, eh?"

"Yes. Let us adjourn to the Trough of Darwinism and order up double helpings of sheepdrone mulch."

"Sounds good to me!"
 
 
ephemerat
15:22 / 31.10.02
Hope you don't mind if I just stand and applaud admiringly from down here, somewhere near the Orchestra Pit? That summarises my own feelings rather well. Thanks.

And relatedly: How well do you feel your scientific perspective meshes with your more esoteric/occult/arcane/unorthodox beliefs? Do you hold any (traditional or otherwise) religious beliefs? Do you have any firmly (or less firmly) held convictions regarding what happens when we (or you, or some of us) die?
 
 
grant
18:35 / 31.10.02
What do you think about UFOs?

Heheheh.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:12 / 10.11.02
How well do you feel your scientific perspective meshes with your more esoteric/occult/arcane/unorthodox beliefs?

They mesh just fine. Actually, they sort of feed off each other. I've had experiences which I can't explain in terms of my scientific knowledge, but those experiences don't invalidate that knowledge-- there's just a gap between them that I can't bridge yet. I'm convinced that as we understand consciousness more fully, magick will make more sense.

Do you hold any (traditional or otherwise) religious beliefs?

Nope. I'm currently working within this model: "the Divine is that in th conscious mind that can conceive of the Divine." Subject to change without notice.

Do you have any firmly (or less firmly) held convictions regarding what happens when we (or you, or some of us) die?

I have absolutely no idea. I suspect that we may just be worm food, but all these dead fucks keep arguing with me.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:18 / 10.11.02
What do you think about UFOs?

I think that some objects that fly haven't been identified yet.

The idea of extra-terrestrial intelligence is entirely plausible to me, as it probably is to most Darwinoids. It happened here, so it's not beyond the realms of possibility that it might happen elsewhere in space. I'm also quite prepared to belive that entirely terrestrial intelligences may have created flying objects that they don't want to tell us about.

As to skinny grey dudes with an unhealty bumhole fixation... somehow I doubt it.
 
  

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