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Less searchable M0rd4nt
11:28 / 30.09.02
What's the thing you find most annoying about the fetish/BDSM scenes?

Bloody pushy submissives! In my personal experience they have been exclusively male, tho' I can readily imagine that there are females of the pushy sub species out there. To be fair, the great majority of male subs accept refusal in good part. Actually, the folk I'm talking of aren't proper subs or they wouldn't be pushy; what they are is desperate bottoms.

If you're not very fetishy, it might be a bit difficult to understand the concept of a pushy submissive, or to get what the problem is. Here's an anecdote to fill you in:

One time I was up the Torture Garden with Lurid, and I met this guy. He was into getting me to come and play with him. I wasn't in the mood and I didn't much care for his manners, so I politely turned him down. A couple of weeks later I was in a pub in Camden, getting beered up for the Electric Ballroom as you do, when Pushy Sub hoved into view. He said hi, and I was freindly enough to him. I did notice that all the time he was in the pub he did that thing of Ignoring The Boyfriend, which set off a few alarm bells. However, I assumed that since we were outside of the fetish scene he'd behave himself (Duhhhhrrr).

So I get into the Lecky Ballroom. Lurid has wandered off to chat to someone, and Pushy is on my heels again. I'm heading out onto the Goth floor to dance, and Pushy follows.

Next thing I know, this prat is on his hands and knees in the middle of the sodding dancefloor, with his lips stuck to my boots like an especially tenacious variety of limpet. Everyone's staring. And I'm like "What the fuck are you doing?" and trying to pry him up with my free toe, which just makes him snog harder. Eventually I manage to disentangle myself, and scurry off, blushing, to find my mates. I avoid Pushy for the rest of the evening.

Yeah, if me and Pushy had been in a fetish club I might well have agreed to do a scene like that. But there's a time and a place, y'know? If a guy carries on like that in a non-fetish environment, it's not sexy or fun, it's annoying, embarrassing-- not just for me, but for all the nonfetish people that might witness what's going down and be confused or offended by it. There's an assumption amongst men like Pushy that if you're dressed like their fantasy Domme, you should be eternally available for them to (quote) submit (unquote) to. In other words "If you're dressed like that, you're asking for it." Sound familiar?

What's the last electronics project you've completed?

A Wein bridge oscillator that had to produce a certain frequency but you were only allowed to use capacitors from a specific range of values and there were some other restrictions which made the whole thing quite complicated and very few of you speak Nerd so I'll just be shutting up now.

Does a successful electronics design/completed project give you the same buzz as a completed short story?

No. Buzztastic as the leccy buzz may be, it's not even close to the writey buzz. And it never will be, which is why I'm trying to build a career in writing.

Mordant- this much-vaunted goth revival. Is there anything in it, or does the quality of music just get progressively worse each time? Is there any connection at all anymore between (say) Wumpscut and (say) Bauhaus?

Mmm, yummy instant Can'o'Worms. Look, this whole "Gothic Revival" thing rears its ugglesome head every five years or so. And every time it's a load of bollocks, because to get attention from the kind of misty-eyed nostalgiods that write this stuff up you mostly have to sound like a watered-down version of the Sisters or Bauhaus or Rose of Avalanche or whatever-- usually lame early 90's Sisters. Ther is non-bobbins Goth around, but you have to dig for it. I can't say that Wumpscut have impressed me much so far. Maybe I haven't given them enough of a chance.

Mordant: Why are you moving to Ireland?

Because Lurid Archive is moving there and I live with Lurid. And it looks like a laugh.

What was your electronic degrees so hideous?

Well, it started to suck in the first year when we found out that our department was closing down and taking all the electroncs and engineering courses with it. Then it got worse.

There was a kind of pall over the whole department; people were leaving to find new jobs, or taking early retirement or whatever. Some of the key lecturers were only in one day a week, which meant that missing class could put you behind very quickly-- which, given my heath problems, was bad news.

The biggest problem for me was that the lab techs were too busy watching the footie or chatting up women or getting stoned to give any time to the students. The lecturer who oversaw our practical lab-based work was getting on in years and had become too long-sighted to read componant values; he used to used to strip down perfectly functional circuits that had taken three hours to construct, only to discover that the circuit had been fine all along and the reason we'd been getting crappy readings was because the lab techs hadn't replaced the fuses in the multimeters. All this meant that lab work (always the most time-consuming part of the course) took much longer that it needed to.

Then when we started our final year and discovered that they'd neglected to teach us more than a year's worth of vital and very scary maths. Extra tuition was arranged, but it was too little, too late. I was doing quite well with my fina-year project (the laser harp), but there again I ran into an unexpected snag. We had to order the componants we'd need through the lab technicians. Despite my repeatedly putting in my order quite a way ahead of time I either got the wrong componants back or no componants at all because the guy doing the ordering was an inveterate stoner.

Eventually I just got completely fucked off with it all and quit before they could flunk me. Open University, here I come.

What do you think of the Magick forum?

It rocks. The Magick is most definately the best forum of its kind on the net, and I'm glad to be a part of it. However, it could do with being less... I dunno... insular? Also I'd like to see the Magick become more open to concepts which are not seen as part of accepted magickal tradition, such as feminism (which seems to meet with a rather surprising amount of hostility from some quatrers, given the lberal flavour of Barbelith as a whole).

and What were you doing to Google to find the hideous ugly monkey toys in that previous thread?

I found Orange Monkey on B3ta. I dread to imagine what they were doing to Google.

More to come as I get round to 'em.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
11:52 / 30.09.02
How do you feel your creativity and inventiveness stands in relation to a "practical real-world" application? Will it be an intense hobby or secondary activity in life, or a a process emerging from the progressive thinking beyond your laser harp schtick, etc.?

It doesn't stand anywhere, really. It curls up in a corner and whimpers while the rest of me gets on with temping. If I could think of a practical application, I'd be applying it.

My primary focus now is on my future writing career. I'll always want to maintain my other interests, especially electronics, but I'm thinking "intensive hobby/creative process" rather than "nice little earner". Not sure where it'll take me; in my more unrealistic moments, I dream of art installations, musical clothes, armies of tiny crawling insect gadgets, poems written on PCBs.

And one day, I shall have the means to get into high voltage. Heheheheheh.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
16:19 / 30.09.02
What really scares you?

There's the obvious stuff, like nuclear war and whatnot, but then that scares everybody.

The idea of something bad happening to someone I care about chills me to the bone. That's something I get nightmares about. On a purely selfish level, I'm scared I might not make it as a writer, and that my eagerness to be "realistic" leads me to make too many compromises.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
16:37 / 30.09.02
What gothic, electro-industrial slanted musicians have emerged in the genre that have influenced your tastes?

I don't know that I'd single out any bands or artists-- I have very broad tastes, and I reckon I'm more influenced by music that lies outside the genre.

Do you feel the music end of the scene is confused or lackluster as of late?

Lacklustre? Sadly, yes. I haven't been to a gig for yonks. There's some good bands out there but you have to be patient and do a little digging, which I'm not in the mood for right now.
 
 
grant
17:20 / 30.09.02
Who would win in a fight, you or Haus? You or Laurence-Llewellyn-etc.-etc.?
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
20:11 / 30.09.02
Hang on... umm... ok then, so this broad musical taste of yours. Give us some names, Cenobite Pokemon...
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
21:29 / 30.09.02
Give us some names, Cenobite Pokemon...

The Blue oyster Cult. *runs away*.

Actually, there's this whole big thing with me and music, but it's big. And a thing. So I'll come back to you on that in the next day or so.
 
 
Someone Else
07:15 / 01.10.02
What was the inspiration for the Star Nosed Mole stories? And when's the next installment?
 
 
grant
15:52 / 01.10.02
So what did you think about the Imaginos album? How about The Red and The Black?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
18:01 / 01.10.02
Afro Ken: fucking class or heading into deeply stoopid territory?

Both.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
13:49 / 02.10.02
Back to Influential Music & Stuff.

Second helpings of What gothic, electro-industrial slanted musicians have emerged in the genre that have influenced your tastes? with a so this broad musical taste of yours. Give us some names, Cenobite Pokemon... garnish.

This is all very tricky indeed. You wouldn't have heard of some of the musicians who've been most influential for me because they've never released anything and probably never will. They've been freinds or family members. My old voice coach was hugely influential in all kinds of ways, not all of them relevant to music. My uncle, now deceased, was influential even though I never got to hear much of his work. (And now I realise how long it is since I did any serious songwriting, and how much I miss it.)

so stuff you might have heard of. Many of you won't like some or all of the things on this list. Some of you will cut'n'paste the text and print it out and fold it up little and put it down your vest so the comforting crackle can whisper with every movement: "See! You knew that Carnival bitch was a wanker! You were right all along!" Be that as it may...

When I was a kid my mum used to play us things like The Carnival Of The Animals, Dance Macabre, Peter and the Wolf, Bolero... "obvious" music. I'd say those have all influenced me in one way or another. I still like things which are witty and have a sense of fun, even if it's a lot more grim these days. Sixties psychedlia is also something I'm pretty keen on. Not sure who I'd name from that side of things as influential, though. Maybe The Beatles, The Incredible String Band, and some of the Cantebury sound outfits. Their influence is a bit nebulous though: more of a tempering effect than anything else. Nick Drake. Big on Nick Drake. (Sunday is my favourite calm-down-and-stop-kicking-things tune at present.) I'm a fan of The Velvet Underground and related insanity. I like some of the better punk outfits, especially early Banshees (I also like middle and late Banshees more than is strictly healthy, but you already knew that). Patti Smith (esp. Horses). The Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band. I like the Sisters of Mercy, at least the stuff they did before they got shit. I have a real thing about The Cure. I'm less than crazy about NIN, but I don't mind them. I like Marilyn Manson more than he/they probably deserve. Nick cave! Nick CAAAAVE! I dunno. More as they spring to mind...

(That rustling noise you hear is the International League of Mordant-Haters, taking the folded paper out of their vests and stroking it lovingly.)
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
13:53 / 02.10.02
More: Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers, the Pixies, Nirvana, the Pixies, Rosetta Stone... (And you can all put down that peice of paper and stop laughing, okay?)
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
13:56 / 02.10.02
All right! All right! I own a Fields of the Nephilim albumn! Is that so wrong?
 
 
illmatic
13:57 / 02.10.02
Given what you said about the Magick Forum, what threads (of a more feminist/less trad stance) would you like to see, and why? Serious answer or attempt to make up silly thread names (or both), it's up to you?
If you want to, tell us more about muso friends and family.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
13:57 / 02.10.02
Not as long as you have never floured yourself before going out in a black hat in order to achieve that authentic Neph 'traveller from an antique land' look...

Oh, the age I was then...
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
13:59 / 02.10.02
What was the inspiration for the Star Nosed Mole stories? And when's the next installment?

(What, I don't warrant a snarky comment about my choice of nightclub? Awww.)

Star-nosed moles are inspiration personified. Just looking at them fills my mind with thoughts of adventure and derring-do. I can't reveal the plot of the next one; it's been put on the back burner while I find a suitable picture of a restaurant.
 
 
Saveloy
15:33 / 02.10.02
"And now I realise how long it is since I did any serious songwriting, and how much I miss it"

*cough, hack* not nearly as much as you miss singing, I'll wager, but of course you can start that again any time you like *cough, sneeze*
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
15:57 / 02.10.02
*cough, hack* not nearly as much as you miss singing, I'll wager, but of course you can start that again any time you like *cough, sneeze*

*cough, hack* Well, no I can't at present *cough*. A combination of dry rot inside and building works outside have put the kibosh on my singing anything much for the time being *hack, wheeze* by setting off my asthma *cough*; when I can't breath, I can't sing. I'm hoping the situation will improve soon, but until I stop coughing up magazine-cover-glue, I can't finish your tape. Sorry, dude.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:00 / 02.10.02
There's nothing to be ashamed of about owning Fields of the Nephilim albums, alright?

Guys?

...guys?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
16:08 / 02.10.02
Given what you said about the Magick Forum, what threads (of a more feminist/less trad stance) would you like to see, and why?

It's not so much a matter of specific threads. There are per-len-tee of good threads in the Magick as it is. What I'm thinking of is something more subtle: a willingness to question assumptions about gender roles in magick. I'd like to see people edging away from the whole "but-- but-- but-- women are all passive and mysterious and-- and-- moist. It says so right here in How To Get More Chicks With Voodoo!"

To veer off your question slightly, I'd also like to see an end to the leaving of ethics at the door. Magick is real, it's not a fantasy, and therefore your actions have consequences. You shouldn't curse anyone if you wouldn't also punch 'em on the nose.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
17:25 / 02.10.02
So what did you think about the Imaginos album?

I dug it. Any album that has a song title like "The Siege And Investiture Of Baron Von Frankenstein's Castle At Weisseria" gets my vote. Some people say it's flawed, an attempt at commercialisation, but I would say that it subverts commercialisation by applying a veneer of familiar pop-metal polish to the Oyster Boys' trademark mythos.

How about The Red and The Black?

'S okay. Y'know, most heavy rock outfits would fight shy of writing a song about the Mounties, even with the stylized S&M overtones typical of the genre.
 
 
Lurid Archive
20:05 / 02.10.02
What made you want to join the in-crowd on Barbelith? How often do you have meetings to decide who is in and who isn't? Also, don't you feel that you are sometimes hard on people who don't have an Oxbridge education like yourself? Intellectual elitism?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:36 / 02.10.02
What made you want to join the in-crowd on Barbelith?

Uh... hello? I arrived and they sponaneously joined me. Duh!

How often do you have meetings to decide who is in and who isn't?

We don't need meetings. We just know who's cool.

Also, don't you feel that you are sometimes hard on people who don't have an Oxbridge education like yourself?

I am so not! I'm actually very gracious towards people who haven't had my advantages. I even give them last season's nail polish, if it's not too, like, what-was-I-thinking.

Intellectual elitism?

Who told you that? I am totally not an intellectual! That's just so last Spring.
 
 
Saveloy
23:38 / 02.10.02
"when I can't breath, I can't sing."

Eek, that sounds awful! Hope you find yourself in a more agreeable situation soon.
 
 
grant
14:07 / 03.10.02
How long is your hair right now?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
14:51 / 03.10.02
Save for my lovelock (which hangs level with my shoulderblades) I am freshly shaven.

Nice

And

Smooooooth...
 
 
grant
16:49 / 03.10.02
What's a lovelock?
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
17:00 / 03.10.02
You've talked about a kneejerk 'anti scienc-ism' on Barbelith before, care to expand? It seems to frustrate you and piss you off. Do you get off on being in the hectored minority?
 
 
Seth
17:44 / 03.10.02
Ahem.

Where's the sitcom treatment?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
18:12 / 03.10.02
Ahem. I happen to be in the final throes of preparing to emigrate. You'll get it when it's done.
 
 
Seth
18:28 / 03.10.02
Priorities, MC. Tut tut.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
12:02 / 11.10.02
I'm getting to 'em. Slow but sure...

What's a lovelock?

I don't know how true any of this is, but here's how I heard it: Back in the days of powdered wigs, most blokes would cut their hair fairly short. A lovelock is the name given to the bit of hair that a gentleman would allow to grow long, so he could cut it off and give it to a GURL should occasion demand.

I would describe the minimalist ponytail thing I've got going on at the base of my skull as a a lovelock. Yes. A lovelock. Definately a lovelock. Not a "rattail". And (despite the evil rumors spread around by a certain ginger trick-cyclist in the vicinity) definately definately definately not any kind of mullet.
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
16:40 / 11.10.02
Them nails in your collar - iron or steel? If you had your choice, what would they be made of?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
20:39 / 11.10.02
Hmm. I haven't the foggiest what the nails are made of, but I would surmise that they are steel. I would like them to be made of some superdooper space-age alloy, and furthermore I would like them to have unscrewy bits so that a fiendishly cunning item of 007-style kit could be concealed in each one. Ideally these would include a satellite link-up, hypodermics full of mind-altering substances, a very small but servicable Biro, some Tic Tacs, and an emergency spectacle repair kit.
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
11:55 / 13.10.02
Sorted
 
  

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