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Aztek: The Ultimate Man

 
  

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This Sunday
09:46 / 12.05.08
Didn't the fightin' 'gainst Darkseid Aztek have an 'a' appended? So there may not be any more Aztek, but an Azteka?

Fanboy desperation stretch go!
 
 
Spatula Clarke
13:45 / 12.05.08
So nobody else thought that Aztek's reappearance and subsequent death in JLA felt at all forced, given how low tier the character was within the larger scheme of the DC universe?

"Superman! Aztek just gave his life to buy you a few seconds!"

"Give a shit? Who the fuck's Aztek, anyway?"
 
 
This Sunday
16:39 / 12.05.08
"Superman! Aztek just gave his life to buy you a few seconds!"

"Give a shit? Who the fuck's Aztek, anyway?"


If anything, your Superman impression could use some fine tuning. It's just a tiny bit off somehow I can't quite put my finger on.

Other than that, since the character had been previously involved in Morrison-JLA stories at least twice, it seemed natural to me at the time. No more shoe-horned in than big blue speedster or Orion. Maybe less than Orion, actually, who was still also very good in that story.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
16:59 / 12.05.08
Well, we knew that Aztek had some big battle to fight and probably die in, we knew that Morrison had some interest in getting him to that point. For me, that sequence was one of those horrible moments where all you're seeing is the person writing it. Not the characters or the events.

I dunno. The death of a character with a ten issue story arc to his name doesn't feel like a big moment to me - especially when that death is coming a good while after that character's forced retirement - so when it's painted as such it feels awkward.
 
 
Spaniel
17:32 / 12.05.08
I don't know where I gave you the impression that I'm okay with the way the character was dealt with. It certainly did feel forced to me at the time, and those final issues of Aztek really suffer from cancellation-loom.

"Superman! Aztek just gave his life to buy you a few seconds!"

"Give a shit? Who the fuck's Aztek, anyway?"


LOL, by the way.
 
 
Janean Patience
18:20 / 12.05.08
Superman should talk like that. Guy was raised on a farm. He should be a foul-mouthed leering racist meshback.
 
 
Aha! I am Klarion
18:53 / 12.05.08
Please, by saying that you dismiss the role of Billy-Bob Kent of Earth K. You know he likes the mustard and has a vile of Lois Lane's blood around his neck.
 
 
FinderWolf
22:14 / 12.05.08
I've been enjoying the hell out of reading this, not having read it at all when it first came out. It feels like very evenly-distributed Morrison/Millar to me... and the Piper at the very beginning presages Morrison's love affair with old crappy comics characters, their lame costumes and gimmicks, lots of meta-commentary on the 90s 'violent, grim n'gritty' heroes with silly names like Bloodtype *lol* Aztek as monk who is experiencing the world/humanity for the first time.. a tabula rasa, very Morrison (also reflected in Xorn when Xorn was really Xorn, if you know what I mean).

Aztek as hero who, like Superman, refuses to be deluded or discouraged by the world's harshness. Great text Watchmen-esque pages in back of issues 4-6 or whatever (referencing The Shaggy Man and Bruce Wayne's grandfather, Anthony Thomas Wayne). Occult architecture as seen in Alan Moore's FROM HELL and Morrison's Batman: GOTHIC. Hilarious form to fill out for new, federally-registered superheroes with questions like "Do you plan to have a teenage sidekick?" and "IMPORTANT: Have you ever been bitten by a radioactive creature?" (presaging the Civil War registration in the Marvel U.) "Do you have enemies (Rogues Gallery) who will follow you to the city you will be sworn protector of?" and so on.

Plus, the early versions (pre- or post-Arkham Asylym) of Morrison's concept of the Joker as superpersonality, changing personas every once in a while. Some great Joker dialogue and scenes that fit perfectly with the Joker in Mozzer's current Batman run. Batman's team-up with Aztek and the way that Batman uncharacteristically respects Aztek upon first outing. The whole 'stolen secret identity from a dead man' plot and how quickly that all goes to shit. The doctor who keeps messing with "Curt" by telling him that Joy thought their date went really well when in fact she's mad at him.

and MORE!!

This is some great, innovative and just plain FUN superhero comics. The art isn't great but it's servicable enough to get the job done.
 
 
Mark Parsons
02:38 / 13.05.08
It reminded me of DOOM PATROL somehow, although the only element I can recall that was DPish was Joker's little robot "tikki-tikki" hallucination-generating crickets.
 
 
Uatu.is.watching
15:57 / 13.05.08
I don't really care too much if we see Aztek again or not, but I'd really like to see Grant or someone capable revisit Vanity. The city was probably one of the most fascinating things to me about that book, and even though Aztek is dead, the occult architecture of Vanity is likely still churning out bad vibes, and I'd love to see that explored a bit more.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
16:17 / 13.05.08
I read the whole thing last night. Well, I jumped around a bit, read later stuff first, then straight through from the beginning. I really did like it, and I can very much agree with the assessment that it drips a little with Doom Patrol goo. Doom Patrol that has gotten over its awkward adolescent body horror slop and is now into its first job, awkwardly trying to sound like an adult.

Vanity could be interesting to explore, I suppose. I don't think it excited me as much as it excites other people. I've been reading Robinson's Starman lately, and Opal feels a lot more solid to me than Morrison managed to make Vanity. Now, that said, obviously Robinson had more time/space to do so, but I think he fleshed Opal out quite quickly in terms of tone, while I still feel like Morrison was scrabbling a bit with this series. Well, Morrison and Millar.

How much did each contribute? Have they ever talked about it?

Partly it might have to do with making Vanity so bad. It felt bad, sure, but I never really got that it was any worse (it actually seemed better) than Gotham. There's been a trend to have a new "big bad city," Bludhaven and Vanity come to mind, that surpass Gotham. It never seems to work out and often seems to be more about telling rather than showing. Keeping in mind that as much as Opal was made a separate personality in a lot of ways, Robinson tended to romanticize it (like he did for everything) to the point of distracting me in my reading.

Favourite villain was probably the Lizard King. I like the implication of sidekicks gone bad, and the machines that sucked away one's goodness.

There's one panel of Aztek flying in front of a sea of his ancestors, previously Azteks or Unos, that's beautiful.

JLA recruitment issue was good, very Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead with the actual JLA recruitment stories. It felt very much like a quick wrap-up, get him into the new title in time for this one to be cancelled.

Dead man identity thing was cool, it's too bad we didn't get more done with that. Stupid cancellations. The Joker issues stand out, particularly the computer virus. Death-Doll. Maybe I like Death-Doll more than the Lizard King. Hmm.

I'm still thinking about it.
 
 
Mark Parsons
16:54 / 13.05.08
Vanity was shaping up to be damned memorable. I loved the idea of founder Vane slumbering beneath the city somewhere.

With hindsight, I think the book, while being solid from inception, may have waited a wee bit too long to get into the nitty-gritty-hooky backstory elements (Q and Vane and Az's "brother").
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
17:07 / 13.05.08
It took a while to get going -- he didn't even have a name for the first few episodes, though I don't know how I feel about that.
 
 
This Sunday
17:53 / 13.05.08
On the Starman front, I'll just say that I never saw the point, but when my reasoned conscious desires for Aztek to appear fail and flail, I fall back on unconsciously excusing even the most absurd presence.

And as a fellow with some farm in his history, let me just say, Superman as the Ultimate Southern Gentleman has a lot more appeal to me than Bitter Honky Bastard Supes. The distinction being, mostly, in how clean his suit is.
 
 
FinderWolf
20:11 / 13.05.08
I also got a kick out of Superman going to visit the terminally ill kid in the hospital, and his glowing 'electric powers developing' eyes looking all eerie and scaring the frail little kid. The panel, as drawn, is downright spooky and made me question for a moment, as a reader, whether this was Superman or some twisted evil fake Superman. And the nurse or whoever just says, 'Oh, don't worry, dear, he's just having trouble with some new powers.' Hee hee.
 
 
Hallo, Paper Spaceboy
20:58 / 13.05.08
Wasn't that big on the Superman appearance, oddly. Batman was utterly mint, that Joker adventure ran like horses, and the Green Lantern team-up was pretty good in some ways and failed in others. Kyle didn't seem that imaginative, actually, which seems unusual from how he was in JLA. Blame it on Millar, I suppose. But I liked that it referenced his history with Major Force, because it felt like a window to a very specific time in comics, ugly as it was.

Starman is often too precious for its own good, and occasionally all the characters sound similar, but it has moments. Jack being pissed that his dad never told him that Jack's mother was a friend of Eero Saarnien, for example.
 
 
Mark Parsons
16:51 / 17.05.08
That Superman scene was awesome indeed: talk about writing against the status quo corporate grain! I sense the cruel and unusual hand of Millar there.
 
 
Spaniel
17:12 / 18.05.08
As do I
 
  

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