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The Passion: Mel Goes Bonkers

 
  

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FinderWolf
13:47 / 10.12.03
I appreciate and respect your take on this, resistable, but see my comments on describing why I don't think the Gospel of John's mention of "the Jews" as being ticked off with Jesus is anti-Semetic. Ditto "the priests, chief scribes and elders". Yes, the Jews crucified Jesus. That statement is not anti-Semetic. Why? Because 85% of the population was Jewish at that time, in that area!!! And I reiterate again that the Gospels are more about the SOCIETY (yes, and most of that society were Jews), the Gov't, the Man, wanting Jesus out of the picture than anything else.

Where in the Gospels of John does it say anything negative about the Jews other than the fact that they were threatened, scared and infuriated by Jesus and wanted him gone? Where does it say the Jews are vile and evil and smelly and we should get rid of them? If I write a story where I have a bunch of white people kill a white savior figure where the town is 95% white and the story says "all these white people killed the white savior figure", is the story anti-white??? Or just telling a story of how the establishment did away with the savior figure? Remember, Jesus was Jewish too.

I think I've made myself pretty clear on this, no matter how much you attempt to make me seem very closed-minded (and obviously wrong, in your way of thinking) about it. The Catholic's church's reprehensible anti-Semetic behavior based on their lousy-ass and wrong reading of the Gospels (using my analogy earlier, we should kill the white people who killed the white savior now that the white savior inspired non-whites to follow him!) ain't the fault of the Gospels, it's the fault of ignorance and prejudice and hatred of the Other.
 
 
FinderWolf
13:49 / 10.12.03
Plus, is it only me and resistable even reading this thread now?
 
 
Jack Fear
17:01 / 10.12.03
Nope. I'm in here and I've already made my point; I just feel no need to keep making it over and over.

And glad though I am that you agree with me, Hunter, I think we're into chicken-and-egg territory here: "Are the roots of anti-semitism in the New Testament itself, or in the people who read the New Testament?"

Reid's argument basically boils down to, "Are you actually saying that you think that..."

To which my only response is, "Yeah, Reid, I am saying exactly that."

Deal with it, and let's move on to the next thing. People of good will can agree to disagree on this point. Scholars far more educated than you or Reid or I have been debating this for centuries, and we're unlikely to resolve the issue here.
 
 
The resistable rise of Reidcourchie
07:13 / 11.12.03
Posted by HunterWolf

"If I write a story where I have a bunch of white people kill a white savior figure where the town is 95% white and the story says "all these white people killed the white savior figure", is the story anti-white???"

If the white saviour figure suddenly turned purple and all his purple mates used said story to justify anti-white behaviour then yes I think I probably would.

Actually Jack my point was you guys have got some good argument that I hadn't thought of but haven't completely changed my view on the subject, I was sort of hoping to be convinced but yes you're right it is something of a chicken and egg scenario.

How about this then can you guys suggest further reading on the matter? An we'll leave it at? Probably much to everyone's relief.
 
 
Tom Coates
06:41 / 08.03.04
I just thought I'd bump this given the furore in the States at the moment.
 
 
Jack Fear
13:52 / 08.03.04
The companion thread seems to have taken up the banner, no?
 
  

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