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Doing something about this whole war with Iraq thing..

 
  

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rizla mission
12:15 / 21.01.03
I'll be going.

Didn't I hear of some kind of scheme to turn this one into some kind of weekend long protesting malarky?
 
 
Tryphena Absent
15:13 / 21.01.03
Tonight there's an evening vigil outside parliament and people are queuing up to lobby their MP's. I feel guilt about not going even though I'm in Wales. Let's not discuss this anymore.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
16:20 / 21.01.03
Oh god, Fly, thanx for reminding me.. gaahhh.

replace my cheery 'up for it post', with Fly's . There, will hangover and bells on. Probably.

Reckon we're going to be able to drag the autopilot?
 
 
Cat Chant
21:44 / 24.01.03
Anyone going to inspect weapons in Fairford? www.gwi.org.uk

I am.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
21:28 / 25.01.03
I was considering it but don't really want to go alone and haven't got a place on the coach with the others who are going from Stop the War/ CND... my friends are all too up in the air about this to bother coming to Gloucestershire with me so... that would be no. *sigh*
 
 
Cat Chant
22:53 / 26.01.03
Well, you all look pretty damn silly (Anna de L looks the least silly for at least thinking about it), because it was great. Hah.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
23:13 / 26.01.03
ooh, what was it like, make with the details, Deva...
 
 
angel
12:45 / 27.01.03
This is part of an up-date email I receive from the Brixton Stop The War coalition. I can't make some of this because I am away working, but it'd be way cool if anyone was able to be present and let us know what happens.

Details as follows:

1) The war preparations and the opposition
The last week saw stepped-up war preparations and increasing opposition to it.
The British government announced the sending of an extra 26,000 troops - a quarter of the British army - to the Middle East. The United States announced the despatch of an extra 37,000 troops and two aircraft carrier battle groups to the region.
Both George Bush and Tony Blair restated their willingness to launch a war without a further UN Security Council resolution, and Bush repeated that the United States is prepared to "go it alone".
Meanwhile, France, Germany, Russia and China have all increasingly expressed their opposition to war on Iraq any time in the near future.
On Saturday 18th around 300,000 people demonstrated against war in Washington DC and tens of thousands did the same in San Francisco. Demonstrations and other anti-war actions were held around the world the same day, including in Britain.
A range of powerful anti-war events were held in South London:
* On Friday 17th thousands of home-bound people saw the "Standing Up Against War" vigil outside Brixton Library Gardens; hundreds of vehicles "hooted for peace".
* On Saturday 18th 45 people came to the picket of the local MP, who supports the government line, at his surgery in Balham.
* On Monday 20th people gathered on Clapham Common to oppose war and called on passing traffic to "hoot for peace"
* On Tuesday 21st 700 people attended a public meeting in Brockley
* On Wednesday 22nd 100 people came to a West Norwood public meeting and film show; many had to stand or sit on the floor.

2) Every Thursday 7.30PM: Brixton Stop the War organising meeting at the Dogstar, Coldharbour Lane, Brixton - all welcome

3) Every Friday 5-7PM: "Standing Up Against War" Outside Brixton Library Gardens

4) Sunday 26th January 12 noon
"No Basis for War - No Bases for War"
United States Airforce Base Fairford, Gloucestershire

A "pre-emptive weapons inspection" of USAF Fairford, which has been specially upgraded to handle American B2 stealth bombers for the bombing of Iraq

Details: www.gwi.org.uk
Coach leaving London for the action from Euston at 9AM and returning in the evening around 7PM; seats cost £10, concessions £5; phone 07817 061183 or email: fairfordcoachlondon@hotmail.com

7) Monday 27th January from 6.30PM until he leaves
Protest at the visit of Defence Secretary Geoff Hoon,
at Lambeth Town Hall, Acre Lane, Brixton

The crisis in the Labour party has grown so deep that they have had to send the Defence Secretary himself, in the middle of planning a major war, to try to dampen down the opposition. He will be holding a "Question and Answer Session" for local Labour Party members in the Town Hall.
Labour Party members are encouraged to go in and ask pointed questions. Everybody else is encouraged to be outside to give him the reception he deserves.
If you can bring relevant banners, placards etc, so much the better. The meeting is scheduled to go on until 9.30PM.

6) Thursday 30th January 5-7PM "No Licence to Kill - No War on Iraq"
Vigil/Protest at MI6 Building, south side of Vauxhall Bridge

Vauxhall tube; meet at 5PM at the junction of Vauxhall Bridge and Albert Embankment or come later and join in

"MI6", headquartered in Lambeth, is officially the "Secret Intelligence Service" of the British Foreign Office. As such, it would have had a major part in producing the British government's "dossier" published last September. This was meant to prove the Iraqi "threat". But weapons inspectors have found no evidence at all since then to back the dossier up, and it has "sunk without trace".
And MI6 has a long and bloody history in Iraq and the whole Middle East stretching back through the 1990s, the 1980s and for decades before that.

7) Saturday 1st February 10.30-3.30
Conference: No War on Iraq - Reclaim the Party for Peace
Conway Hall, Red Lion Square, Holborn
Speakers include Tony Benn * Barry Camfield Assistant General Secretary TGWU * Jeremy Corbyn MP * Mark Seddon Tribune editor and Labour NEC member * Ann Black Labour Party National Policy Forum * Sabah Jawad Iraqi Democrats Against War and Sanctions * Keith Bennett former editor Asian Times * David McKenzie Trident Ploughshares * Betty Hunter Palestine Solidarity Campaign
Panel discussions on War on Iraq * The US drive to war * Changing party policy
Organised by Labour CND

8) Friday 14th February
Central London Rally against war on Iraq
also Anti-war comedy event
Details: www.stopwar.org.uk

9) Saturday 15th February Assemble 12 noon, Embankment, London
National Demonstration - No War on Iraq!
March from Embankment to Rally in Hyde Park on the international Day of Protest in at least 12 capital cities across Europe, in the USA and around the world.
 
 
illmatic
12:52 / 27.01.03
I'll be at the thing at NFT with almost everyone I know it seems like -good stuff. See y'all there if not before.
 
 
Cat Chant
13:41 / 27.01.03
There were between 1-2,000 people at Fairford. We marched up from the village (slowly, possibly because every other person on the march nipped into the two-cubicle public loos on the way past) to the air base. I got lumbered at random with half a banner saying Don't Bomb Iraq in Welsh, and walked along behind a group of fabulous Welsh women singing old CND songs in four-part harmony.

At the base there was a brief performancey thing, whereby the main spokespeople of Gloucestershire Weapons Inspectors demanded to come in and look for weapons of mass destruction and we all shouted "Let us in!" repeatedly in scary mob fashion until it became obvious that they weren't going to do any such thing (oddly enough): at which point a papier-mache stealth bomber flew over our heads and we all lay down on the floor as if dead. Then we all dispersed to decorate the fences round the base - and, it turned out, to storm the base. I heard that about thirty people got in but I think there were relatively few arrests. One of the people who got through the fence was hugged by a police officer and profusely thanked for taking a stand against the war.

I was, however, weirding out (and not wanting to get arrested for the first time two counties away from anyone I knew with no way of getting home) so I went for a walk round the perimeter fence (which was oddly inside-out: there's a big open public-access field in the centre of the base, so it feels like being inside the fence) and looked at the Child Development Centre and the prefab buildings and the signs saying 424th Proudly Welcomes Col Curdy and Saturday Movie: Ghost Ship and felt peculiar and wondered what it would be like to work there.

Then I watched some more people go over/through the fence and some kids flying a kite in the field, then went back to the main entrance where a bicycle-powered sound system was playing music and people were dancing and drinking tea. The sun came out and I met a fantastic woman from Brighton who had never done any activist things before 9/11 and was just about to go out to Palestine to drive ambulances/escort kids to school/report events as instructed. Left feeling very ambivalent about everything but remembering the sight of 1500 people with banners going up a windy, hilly country road in the drizzle and singing.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
15:24 / 27.01.03
Arggghh - I know those fabulous Welsh women... they were singing in Cardiff opposite the castle (on the last march) and they do have beautiful voices though they had the police hanging around beside them looking intimidating and that seemed a bit strange because the Cardiff police are generally quite nice and I had a good chat with one of them!
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
10:09 / 30.01.03
Just saw in the Guardian that the govt are trying to prevent the march thingy from going to Hyde Park on account of the grass ('leaves on the line'). Bit disturbing, no?
 
 
Hattie's Kitchen
11:59 / 30.01.03
Yes, on account of health and safety concerns..."ooh, those poor hippes, we can't have them marching in Hyde Park, they might slip on some wet leaves..." For fuck's sake.
 
 
Bill Posters
15:09 / 30.01.03
I thought it was very dodgy but they have actually stopped other marches using Hyde Park (inc. the Cuntryside Alliance) so initial suspicions of conspiracy seem unfounded.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
23:09 / 31.01.03
I believe my mother and brother are going on the fifteenth. Not sure about me and spooks. Y'all take care of them, y'hear?
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
23:10 / 31.01.03
That's 'take care' in a Julie Andrews kind of way, not in an 'Al Pacino' kind of way...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
04:23 / 01.02.03
I'll be there, at least for part of the day- working the night before as well as that night, but if I can fit sleep in somewhere I'm not gonna miss this. I still have my pirate flag, too.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
17:26 / 01.02.03
Awww < puts gun down >! Jack doesn't let me have any fun... Anyone up for a post-march cross-town trek for a pub afterwards? Don't bother going in to Marble Arch, more than five people on the platform at a time breaks the station...
 
 
telyn
22:49 / 02.02.03
Almost certainly, especially if it's a pub that serves food.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
14:03 / 03.02.03
Sounds absolutely glorious will have been walking for so long by then that a march across town won't make a blind bit of difference!

Ooh Ooh - you remember that little game you were playing at the last march Stoatie?? Don't happen to have a copy do you- I need a little something to wile away the time with!
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
13:36 / 04.02.03
Anyone got a suggestion for post-march pub action? I was thinking of that place we went after the Science Museum but it's a bit of a way and fairly expensive as I recall. Anyone know of anywhere around the Notting Hill Gate end of the park perhaps? Or are we just going to grumble and head over to the Princess Louise < sigh > again?
 
 
ghadis
14:08 / 05.02.03
I'll be there outside the NFT 11.30ish?
Not sure about post march drinks...The Louise is always a safe bet as the upstairs room has plenty of room on a sat afternoon and most people know where it is...I'll proberly be heading on down to Brixton early evening though...
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
15:15 / 05.02.03
Govt. has given permission for march to assemble in Hyde Park.

Rah. see you all there...
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
15:17 / 05.02.03
oh and think it's going to be huge, practically everyone I know seems to be going.

Rah.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
16:21 / 05.02.03
Well the upstairs room really depends on whether the Mason's like to coincide with gigantic political activity!

I'm trying to convert two of my housemates to the whole take a stroll round London with 400,000 other people thing but they're not going for it. My lovely Iranian loudmouth friend is taking her mum though so between them they should be the equivalent of 10.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
08:01 / 10.02.03
I'm hoping to be there, although my "Look, it's not that I object to military action *or* regime change in Iraq per se, it's more that the current arguments for this military adventure are spectacularly weak and display gaping holes in both US and UK foreign policy, and are likely to destabilise the Middle East still further, and while we're making the world safe has anyone thought about doing anything about cocking Zimbabwe lately?" banner is going to need a bit of trimming.

Where's the meeting point beforehand?
 
 
illmatic
08:17 / 10.02.03
Guess we should say meet up at the NFT about 12ish and the Louise afterwards. It didn't seem too packed last time - doubless some of you will be getting calls on the day as loads of people I know are going, and running between mutlitudes of people in a crowd of half a million plus might be difficulty. I sugeest we try and get the whole march into the upstairs room at the Louise.
 
 
illmatic
08:22 / 10.02.03
Oh, and will be amending my banner to read "it's not that I think Saddam Hussein is a nice bloke or anything but I suspect that's fuck all to do with anything but the fact he's sitting on the world's second largest oil reserves might might be".
 
 
Bill Posters
12:48 / 11.02.03
I sugeest we try and get the whole march into the upstairs room at the Louise.

Including Mama and Papa Posters?! Noooooo!!! ;-)

It it W/loo station for the NFT? (Sorry, brain like a seive.)
 
 
Tryphena Absent
13:20 / 11.02.03
Yeah it's Waterloo.

Hmm, my parents are going to Patisserie Valerie's on Old Compton Street for lunch before the demo (I'm slightly jealous, club sandwich, yum.), somehow I don't think they'll be up for the Princess Louise (thank the lord). Though mother recalled last time that she spent a little of her youth there.
 
 
illmatic
13:49 / 11.02.03
Actually might be better to meet later than 12 - say 1, as last time the march didn't get going for ages.Takes a while to get half a million people moving. My mum is going as well - gawd bless 'er.
 
 
rizla mission
15:02 / 11.02.03
I was trying to score tickets for the Detroit Cobras at the Garage on the night on the 15th, but can't get any. Not that that's of any real interest to anyone, but does mean I'll likely be lounging around until closing time.

And I'll likely have a friend with me, so some not-completely-baffling-to-outsiders pub talk might be in order..
 
 
Bear
09:12 / 12.02.03
Think I'll be coming along too, someone from work just said they wanted to come along was quite suprising.

Let me get this right then, NFT as in the National Film Theatre yeah? At 12.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
09:54 / 12.02.03
Can't get either the night previous or the Saturday night off, so I think the most likely thing is that I'll sleep for a few hours, turn up late (probably about 3-ish... as Illmatic says, there was a hell of a lot of milling around last time due to the size, and fingers crossed, it'll be a fuckload bigger this time) and hopefully hook up with you guys at the pub later... just in time to go back to work. Boo.

On the plus side, though, the reason it was hard to get time off is that so many people wanted the time off so they could go to the march... makes me feel nicer about my workplace.

Anyhoo... I'll pm a couple of you my new mobile number when I figure out what it is, so you can tell me where you've all gone post-march... otherwise, look out for the Jolly Roger! Arr!
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
09:57 / 12.02.03
Oh yeah... and Anna de L? Thanks for reminding me about "Socialist Watcher". I'm gonna email the guy now, so I can print some out. Cos I'll probably not be able to meet anyone before, I'm gonna have to just post (hopefully) a url so you can print your own from there, cos I think otherwise he'll just send me a pdf, and that's too many incomprehensible initials to get my head round...
 
  

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