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Countryside Alliance counter-demonstration?

 
  

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STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
05:36 / 01.09.02
Okay. This being the Gathering, I don't want a debate on the relative ethics of the thing. BUT- what with fox-hunting being absolutely fucking disgusting imho, and the Countryside Alliance planning a big march in London on September (I think) 22nd, and various people, including the Urban Alliance are planning a counter-demonstration. I'm in two minds about this, as it could easily get nasty, but I think there should at least be some weight of numbers on the animal rights side. Any takers?
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
08:39 / 01.09.02
Hmmm, think I may have seen a sign for that during my country retreat (for the CA, not the anti-CAs). I'd be provisionally up for it, just so long as it doesn't turn in to a free for all.
 
 
The Natural Way
09:48 / 01.09.02
It's such a shame that the quite understandable desire to protect the countryside has become so bound up w/ the pro hunting thing. In fact, it fucking sickens me. There are loads of us that wince everytime we hear about the new housing estate encroaching on yet another local wood, but feel that to complain publicly would be to endorse ridingponces. Aaargh - I hate this subject.....
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
10:01 / 01.09.02
As I said- not the place to debate the ethics. (But yeah... trees etc.=good. Roads=bad in the very basic stoatie book of values. Killing things for fun, however=worse.)

As far as I know, there'll be various anti-hunt groups... I've been out of the loop for a while, what with living in London after growing up in Somerset... haven't been sabbing for about 12 years.

I'm not really up for violence (and to be honest, given the numbers the cops're expecting, it wouldn't work anyway). I do think, however, that there should at least be enough ANTI-hunting people to be noticed. Otherwise it'll be on the telly "Thousands march in support of killing foxes... no opposition" or whatever.

(Wrong thread in which to say this, I know, but my friend Mike was killed sabbing about ten years back... and he WAS a pacifist.)

I think it needs to be done.
 
 
Bill Posters
07:48 / 03.09.02
Hmm, yes, I second your reservations Stoatie, but also feel it should be done. Um, I have heard a coupla versions of this... d'you mean go to the counterdemo in London, or do what some of the others are planning and head into the countryside? Either's fine by me. Fox hunting is one of the few things I can think of which is prohibited by the Satanic commandments y'know...
 
 
No star here laces
09:39 / 03.09.02
I'm up for this if we can wave banners saying "ban farmers" and "no more subsidies" or some humorous version thereof. The CA is so inherently ridiculous that it needs the piss taken. And I hate farmers more than hunters anyhow...
 
 
Bill Posters
16:25 / 03.09.02
I'm stealing an idea from U75 that we should go on the CA demo with lots of banners which are an exaggeration of their stance. Fuck Foxes if they can't fight back, for eg, would do more harm to the CA than a bunch of crusties getting kettled as soon as some idiot starts trouble. (Do we have any Kitten placards left? Hunt Kittens Not Foxes, anyone?!
 
 
No star here laces
14:45 / 04.09.02
YES!

We can go and all collect as many cats as possible from the RSPCA then release them at the demo and pursue them, whooping, down the street while painted blue and waving placards demanding a return to ancient ways.

Alternatively we, as city-dwellers, can demand all the cuntryside types "Get orff our laaaaaand".
 
 
Bill Posters
15:53 / 17.09.02
*bump*

The Countryside Alliance now have their own militant splinter group! They've threatened the watersupply and all sorts! We're gonna get killed to death out there!*

* just joking officer, I'm sure you'll keep both sides firmly in line and remain neutral like you're meant to.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:27 / 17.09.02
And the Urban Alliance website's been closed down...
 
 
Bill Posters
11:13 / 18.09.02
For inciting violence, apparently, so I can't say I'm sorry or surprised!

According to the Evading Standards, the anti-CA demonstrators are in for a kettling:

March faces Parliament Square ban

The march is expected to draw at least 300,000 campaigners to central London to protest about the erosion of traditional rural life. It is due to end outside Parliament.

But the Mayor, an opponent of foxhunting, may apply for a court order to prevent a repeat of Monday night's disturbances, when pro-hunting protesters set off fireworks and lit bonfires in the square, damaging lawns and disrupting traffic.

Meanwhile Special Branch detectives are investigating the movements of up to 100 known hunt saboteurs and animal rights activists ahead of the march. Mr Livingstone, who is in charge of access to the grassed area to Parliament Square, has already posted additional wardens on the site.

A spokesman for the Mayor said: "We are investigating what appears to have been an abuse of the site on Monday night. Once we have finished collecting evidence, we will consider our options, which include seeking an injunction."

A spokesman for the Countryside Alliance said: "If there was any damage, it was from a firework set off by one of our supporters but not planned by us. It was high spirits. We regret any contravention of regulations."

Detectives are concerned that extremists may either attack marchers or attempt to disrupt the event for their own
political ends.

Provincial Special Branches are also keeping activists under surveillance after anarchist groups published addresses of prominent hunting supporters known to be attending the rally in London and urging agitators to attack their country homes.

Groups being monitored by Scotland Yard are understood to include the far Right British National Party, which claims allegiance with hunting supporters, and secretive pro-hunting groups like the Real Countryside Alliance which wants to radicalise the march.

Police are aware of counterdemonstrations planned for Sunday and will corral anti-hunting activists into holding areas.

Scotland Yard will provide 1,600 policemen and the Countryside Alliance will supply 2000 stewards to control the
event on Sunday.

I'd recommend people to check the relevant threads on this board here.
 
 
invisible_al
12:40 / 18.09.02
Checking Urban 75 it appears the Evening Standard has been talking bollocks. I'm shocked, truely shocked, although the phrase 'May apply for a court order' is the tip off, bloody alledged Evening Standard 'journalists'.
 
 
No star here laces
14:11 / 18.09.02
Hey, can we stage the hunting down of street derelicts and 'cut off the breasts to blood the children' bit out of 'say you want a revolution' as our counter-protest? That would rock like a bastard. Stoatie can be the homeless derelict and me and bill can wear hunting pink to go with our posh accents... Now where can I get a sickle?
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
16:50 / 18.09.02
Sounds cool... but go easy on the breast-cutting part. I don't wanna lose me jewellery...
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
19:06 / 18.09.02
I'll be in attendance at this but not as a demonstrator. Seems like a clash of political and ideological ire will be a perfect op for me to practice my photojournalism and expand my portfolio.

A small request to those who may get caught up in the moment. Please don't chuck rocks at the people with cameras. Photographers often don't have the luxury of politics at these events.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
19:33 / 18.09.02
*joke*- what, even the police photographers? -*end joke*

Personally, I plan on throwing no rocks.
 
 
No star here laces
08:27 / 19.09.02
I may throw buns, personally
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
09:49 / 19.09.02
Reclaim The Streets have an anti-CLA demo beginning at 11 in Parliament Square, followed by street parties in various boroughs.

Sound good?
 
 
No star here laces
10:08 / 19.09.02
That does sound good - the Hackney party is just round the corner from my house, too!

I'm actually kind of up for some of the saturday stuff too...
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
11:53 / 19.09.02
belatedly realising that i'll be around for this, so are peoeple meeting up?
 
 
No star here laces
12:33 / 19.09.02
How about we meet for breakfast at 9.30-10.00ish and then breeze along to the demo? I feel the need for some sort of co-ordinated outfit effort, however - any ideas?
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
13:10 / 19.09.02
I love the fox-hunting idea. am quite prepared to dress in red, grab a tail and a cheap fox mask, if you can find a red jacket and a riding had from somewhere.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
13:10 / 19.09.02
I love the fox-hunting idea. am quite prepared to dress in red, grab a tail and a cheap fox mask, if you can find a red jacket and a riding had from somewhere.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
15:24 / 19.09.02
Lyra- breakfast. How very civilised. Sounds cool.
As regards synchronised costumes- I can do wastrel at the drop of a hat... anything else may require foreknowledge. More suggestions?
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
18:26 / 21.09.02
hey sorry to be a piker, but am feeling like death and not going to be in london this weekend... sorry...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
23:02 / 21.09.02
Looks like we haven't sorted shit... I'll be in Parliament Square if anyone's still up for it...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
07:30 / 22.09.02
Leastways- I will be if I can get there- from what they're saying on the radio it looks like the fuckers have most of London impossible to get to.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
09:01 / 22.09.02
Arse. Just waited ages for a bus, before realising it was pretty much 11 already and I was still in Hackney... chances of actually finding RTS once they leave Parliament Square seem slim... and hard and equipped with superpowers I may be, but I can't take on 300,000 farmers all on my own.

Bah. Off to sulk now, and hope I'm feeling happier in time for the RTS car-free day this afternoon.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
09:12 / 22.09.02
Big respect to Bill Posters- he just called to say he's only just woken up but he's still probably gonna head down there. A braver man than I.
 
 
Bill Posters
16:48 / 22.09.02
Just got back, here's a quick rundown.

Got there very late and couldn't find any hippies anywhere. I was indeed surrounded by thousands and thousands of farmers. Never seen so much tweed in my life. It wasn't so much bravery as being able to fit in I think which made it bearable - though not sporting tweeds, I don't look punky enough to arouse suspicion. Anyways, after walking for ages and ages I found a handful of anti-hunt people and stayed with them. We lined up on the pavement and the marchers were in the road. The cops stood in between. Some of us were giving the marchers verbal, but no physical stuff whatsoever. Some of the marchers, on the other hand, were spikey as fuck, and I gotta say, there were times when I was bloody glad there was a line of coppers keeping them from us. The thing about 'us' as in the leftie hippies is we're skinny as fuck. These guys were big fuckers, and they'd lunge in at us and although they'd always get held back by the cops, they weren't pissing about. The abuse which stung most was 'how come there's only five of you?' There were a few more of us than that, but it looks like they outnumbered us 30,000 to 20 and so I feel a bit defeated at the moment. I can only hope there was more leftie-oid stuff going on that I couldn't see.

I know normal honest working class people as well as fox-killing idle rich scum are represented by the CA but all I could see were posh as fuck posh fuckers, and seriously psychobilly rednecks. Banners like My Hounds Aren't Seeking Asylum So Why Are They Illegal? and New Labour = Political Correctness and stuff like that. Anyway I left when a marcher stopped marching and decided to bend our ears about how he felt that his presence on the march was not incompatible with his being a born-again-Christian. Quite the opposite, in fact, as he proceeded to explain at some length. There's only so much a boy can take.

P.S. Oh, worth mentioning that someone threw a potato at us at some point during the afternoon. That's worth saying partly because it's funny (bad tempered farmers pelting city folk with 'taters, Christ, you couldn't make it up!) but also because it's the first time in my life a vegetable has ever been used against me as a weapon. It's a splendidly surreal feeling, coming under attack from a vegetable, and I'd recommend it to anyone.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
17:51 / 22.09.02
Nice one for making it, Bill.
What got me a bit freaked out was I wasn't just gonna be outnumbered by a quarter of a million people, I was gonna be outnumbered by a quarter of a million people WHO ENJOY KILLING STUFF.
I really wanted to go, in memoriam of my friend Mike who was killed hunt-sabbing many years back, but was too conscious of the fact that this is people who will "accidentally" kill you and won't give a fuck. Or get prosecuted.

Anyway, nice one.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
19:53 / 22.09.02
Ta for the report, Bill. Am really sorry I couldn't make it. Was and am well up for being a fox hunted by you poshos

Moom - where abouts did you hunt-sab? Used to do stuff several million years ago around Sussex and Hampshire.

And take your point, when you know that the guy on the rearing horse with the whip *is* the local justice system, can make things a bit dicey
 
 
Shortfatdyke
07:25 / 23.09.02
"it's the first time in my life a vegetable has ever been used against me as a weapon. It's a splendidly surreal feeling, coming under attack from a vegetable, and I'd recommend it to anyone."

Sigh. Why do people keep forgetting about the vegetable thrower who terrorised Leyton a few years back? Someone got killed by a turnip. It's no laughing matter!

I heard about a lot of farmers who are worried about agriculture and rural life who didn't go on the march because they're anti fox-hunting and were told by the CA that they wouldn't be welcome. I do wish the march had gone through some parts of, say, Peckham, or Hackney, so the people insisting that the cities 'get preferential treatment' could see that the chattering Blairite classes are as far from most of us as they are from the rural communities. And part of the reason Labour got elected was because they specifically pledged to ban hunting. Therefore (if you believe in the electoral system) it's what the majority want.

Sorry, wrong place to rant about the issues.
 
 
Bill Posters
11:12 / 23.09.02
Oops, didn't mean that last post to make anyone feel bad for not being there, BTW. I had wondered how accidental your mate's death was Mr Chairman, but didn't like to ask.

Was a bit miffed that no counter demo footage made it onto the news last night. However, even in the mainstream press today we do get reports like this for example (warning: contains Nazi rants which may upset):

"When I pointed out that blood sports were opposed by the majority of the nation he swiftly answered: "So is homosexuality. But homosexuals have their interests protected." Yes but they don't go around killing for fun do they, I suggested? "Some do," he replied. Another liberal-minded chap, 51-year-old James Catterall, from Cornwall, claimed Asian immigrants were not under threat so why should the hunting community be?

I answered that 82 per cent of the nation don't want Asian immigrants abolished.

He answered with a dead-pan expression: "Exactly. About 90 per cent of us do. But who listens to us any more?"

That's another thing which had changed. It was no longer about Listen To Us, it was about Fear Us.


He's got a point, even if they are extreme examples. The full article is here (in The Daily Mirror).

Anyway, now I'm ranting.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
18:03 / 23.09.02
Used to sab in Somerset- just outside Yeovil (spit...). And as regards the "accidentality" of Mike's death- to be honest, I think it probably was an accident (he was thrown under the wheels of a beagle van). There just seemed to be little in the way of remorse or retribution.
Anyway, big respect, as I already said, for making it, Bill.

Even the Guardian had only passing mention of the anti-hunt guys... though they did take the (welcome) opportunity of making snide comments about the marchers themselves.
 
  

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