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Inevitable 9/11 commemorations

 
  

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Ethan Hawke
13:28 / 28.08.02
Although Justified Ancient of Mu-Mu has rather charmingly detailed hir own plans for 9/11 commemoration, I'm not too sure what the "official organs" and the fourth estate are planning in 2 weeks time. All I know is that I'm sure it'll make me furious, so I plan to leave the TV off. (yeah, right) I thought I'd get the ball rolling here a bit early and ask (a) what people expect and (b) what people think would be appropriate.

As some of you may know, I work in lower Manhattan (and did so last September). My company's official remembrance is going to be 3 five-minute intervals of silence throughout the morning of September 11th. I can't say that I really want to be here at that morning, but silence is the best (and most appropriate) thing I could hope for. Although I didn't know anyone who died at the site (the only friend I have who worked there was one of those statistically predictable people who called in sick for the first time ever, that morning), being in such proximity to it has affected my life profoundly and I don't think I can stomach any more twisting of it for political gain. Gah. Just typing this has twisted my stomach in knots.

As for TV coverage, I'm in the not-so-unique (and perhaps appropriate to another thread) of having the memories of what I actually saw mixed up with what I saw only on TV (I fucked off to Brooklyn after the second plane hit; it didn't feel very safe being 31 stories up at the time) as I waited to hear from loved ones. I recently went off a course of Zoloft I was taking for panic attacks immediately post 9/11, and I'm afraid being repeatedly exposed to videotape of the events is going to jolt me back into it. At least they can't broadcast the smell.
 
 
Bill Posters
13:46 / 28.08.02
To be selfish and honest, I am very slightly concerned that a commerative attack might take place. I am trying to tell myself that the media's just winding me up to sell papers though. Whatever comes on tv is a less unpleasant prospect than, y'know, it all going off again.
 
 
Ethan Hawke
13:51 / 28.08.02
It's indicative of just how pessimistic and fucked I feel that I can't tell if you're referring to a commemorative attack by the U.S. (on Iraq, perhaps) or by al qaeda et al. on the U.S. or its allies.
 
 
Bill Posters
14:26 / 28.08.02
Oh, I meant an attack by the wicked Ay-rabs on the US or its allies. Unfortunately, here in London, we count as being in the potential 'firing line', and to paraphrase Misha, it won't help me if I try to explain to a speeding anthrax spore that I went to the anti-War demos...
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
14:34 / 28.08.02
I expect the entire month of September has been ruined for many years to come. I work for the school district covering lower Manhattan -- we had about 1200 kids within a few blocks of the WTC that morning -- and the gross exploitation and self-aggrandizing I've seen in the last year is really disgusting. There's nothing to make you hate people like charity. There were some meaningful things -- a package full of five and ten dollar checks from the citizens of Columbine, Littleton & Oklahoma City, a letter from a German kid who'd lived in Kosovo -- but mostly people wanted to grab a piece of the action.

My feelings about the public behavior around the event last here were summed up when I was forced to walk through that maukfest in Union Square last year -- guys, these people burned to death, do you really think creating a public hazard with an enormous candle is the best way to symbolize your feelings of horror and grief? -- and one girl said to me that she'd never been so scared in her life. She'd led a sheltered life, I guess. I was a lot more scared when Roger Ruiz held a knife to my face in 7th grade. Maybe you should dry your eyes and do something productive with yourself, for once.

And I knew we were starting to recover when, in early November, two Caribbean women got into a shouting match on the subway over who had the dirtier ass.

I do hate to see the wounds reopened in order to try once more to sell us on the doctrine of Republican compassion. I hope there is no return of those ghoulish 'missing person' bills all over town. I'm sorry, they're not missing, they're dead*. I think it would be appropriate to let everyone deal with it in their own way. I'd feel no revulsion to see candlelight vigils and all that stuff happen spontaneously, but I'm certain it'll be sponsored by Kiwanis, NIKE ads will feature prominently, and George Pataki will try to take credit for it.



*That said, there is a story this week about people on the missing lists turning up in hospitals a year later.
 
 
rizla mission
16:50 / 28.08.02
I'm going to see McLusky play on Sept. 11th.

Should really be Explosions in the Sky for tasteless gag potential, but thems the breaks.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
17:41 / 28.08.02
Tina C had some show at the Fringe about September 11th, apparently it 'bombed'. That is to say, it was crap.
Like Bill, I'm a bit worried that if we are going to war in Iraq, it'll get launched on that day. During the Summer the RMT union (IIRC) sent out a ballot of all it's members for Industrial Action. Based on the rules of these things if it was voted for a strike, the earliest it could be was September 11th. The Evening Standard promptly wrote a cover story about how the RMT was going to hijack the solemn day for their own evil ends. This when the vote hadn't happened, and no date had yet been set for a strike.

Barnet Libraries have some sort of event which just happens to be on September 11th. We have apparently received complaints along the lines of how could we think of doing anything on such a day. Luckily no such complaints have been delivered to me verbally or I probably would have laughed in their face.

I guess I'm annoyed at the constant media hype. It'll probably be a good idea to avoid all news channels on that day at the very least. And I do wonder if there will be another festival of remembrance for the victims, I've lost track of how many they've had so far.
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
20:06 / 28.08.02
I've been trying to put off thinking about it because I have a lot going on and don't need to feel the way I did back then at this time. My mother hasn't helped by repeatedly reminding me that I'm flying nine days before the anniversary.
Not that my mother's a conspiracy theorist or anything she's just scared of flying, even vicariously.
 
 
The Return Of Rothkoid
23:03 / 28.08.02
In Australia, two networks have been plugging commemorative packages, including one that's featuring "over 180 home videos".

I think they'll probably lose the comedy sfx for them, somehow...
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
02:03 / 29.08.02
How do I feel? I think it should be marked with some quiet thought and contacting the people you care about to let them know that you care about them.

How WILL it be marked? With an orgy of self-pity and public crying that passes for grieving in the US now.
 
 
Utopia
03:08 / 29.08.02
this WILL be marked by W finally re-appearing after his two and a half year-- er, i mean, month long vacation to let us good AMERICANS (tm) know how we're kicking them A-rabs firmly in the pants.

because, after all, revenge does make up for our personal losses...right? (keep in mind he is from TEXAS (tm), where, as i understand it, they're trying to bring the "iron maiden" back into widespread use...)
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
06:33 / 29.08.02
Yup. I'm putting money on the Iraq invasion taking place on the 11th. The sabre-rattling seems to be just heating up to the right point about now...
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
06:50 / 29.08.02
I'm still laying odds for either this October (for the mid-term election) or that he teases it out until 2004 so that his team can push the "don't change leaders while at war" ticket.

Trust me on this one...they will do anything possible to retain power now that they have it back.
 
 
gentleman loser
18:34 / 29.08.02
How WILL it be marked? With an orgy of self-pity and public crying that passes for grieving in the US now.

Yeah, but you also left out good old fashioned capitalism.

I fully expect that 9/11 will soon become a federal holiday. By 2005 at the latest, you'll be able to walk into your local Professor P. J. Cornucopia's Fantastic Foodmagorium and Great American Steakery and the waiter will say, "Hi! Would you like to hear about our September 11 dinner and drink specials?"

That's what I love about my country. No matter how gruesome the tragedy, someone will be sure to make a buck off of it by duping fools who should know better.

I think I'll just keep my TV turned off for the next month.

Otherwise, it's thirty days of constant vomiting.
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
20:21 / 30.08.02
"September 11 dinner and drink specials

Two long island iced teas and a pentagonal filet mignon. Not sure what the salad would be though.

Getting through this difficult period may involve some jokes in very bad taste.
 
 
Tryphena Absent
01:55 / 31.08.02
I was amazed to find that the america store didn't have the US anthem playing... or maybe my software's not compatible *I'm grinning hopefully*
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
06:45 / 31.08.02
At least it'll put an end to the "Diana- 5 years on" shit we're getting at the moment.

Sorry, that sounded really callous.

In all honesty, I think the sad truth is, no matter how many "agreements" politicians have signed that they won't use the forrible deaths of thousands of people to look good... they'll thake the "sensitive" photo-opportunity and milk it for all it's worth. Which WILL be callous.
 
 
Shortfatdyke
16:26 / 31.08.02
I don't think a war/invasion of Iraq will happen or be announced on that day - I think, rather, that Bush will use it for emotional purposes and sentimentality. A good friend of mine lost someone dear to him in the WTC, so I must contact him to see if he's okay.

The Diana thing is stirring up memories, though - my grandmother died a few days before she did, and her funeral was the day before Diana's - it was a very difficult time, made harder because everyone seemed to be saying that nobody else mattered. So I'm missing my grandmother right now, but not Diana.
 
 
Shortfatdyke
08:28 / 01.09.02
This from the Guardian Online this morning:

"Across Britain, homes, factories and offices are expected to fall silent for a minute on 11 September exactly a year after the moment the first American Airlines plane hit the World Trade Centre in New York. In a rare move which reveals the importance of the date, the Government is to send out a 'national protocol' note in a next few days detailing how people should observe the silence. Such a move is executed only at times of national memorial, such as the marking of Remembrance Sunday. The minute's silence will begin at 1.46pm, the time that American Airlines Flight 11 crashed into the North Tower. It is likely that a similar silence will be held in the US.

Although officials at the Department of Culture, Media and Sport, the government office leading the plans for the anniversary, said that there would 'obviously be no compulsion' about observing the silence, it is expected that all government departments, the police, hospitals, schools and most companies will respect the call."

How generous of them not to make this compulsory. I'll be at work that day, and if anyone tries to tell me 'how to observe' a minute's silence (a tricky one, that!) they'll be told to fuck off, frankly.
 
 
w1rebaby
09:32 / 01.09.02
We got the same notification where I used to work (until last Friday). I must admit that I was usually pretty silent at 1:46pm when I was there, still engaged in some hard surfing. God, it still feels strange (but good) to say "when I worked there".

The thing about commemorations is that they happen to remind people of events that they might otherwise forget. Is it actually possible for anyone with access to any sort of media at all to have forgotten yet? I don't think a day has gone past since then without reading, hearing or watching some mention of Sept 11.

The idea of sending out a "national protocol" note indicating government-approved mourning techniques just makes me want to hurl bricks.
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
09:51 / 01.09.02
As fridge said: "The idea of sending out a "national protocol" note indicating government-approved mourning techniques just makes me want to hurl bricks."

Exactly. I'll deal with my remembrance in my own fucking way, same as I would with a family bereavement. I'm just glad none of my late relatives were famous... a "Stoatie's dad Telethon"? No fucking way.

I'll be sad. I'll remember. But I'll not do it in a way, or at a time prescribed by a guy whose initial idea of mourning the dead was to kill a whole bunch of other people.

Just realised... that read as if I was shouting. I wasn't.

(Oh, and I've just thought of one other thing... would it be disrespectful of a surgeon at a very tricky point in an operation to call for a scalpel if it was during the silence? Actually, if it'd been Di's funeral rather than a WTC remembrance, I'm sure the Daily Mail would have had him struck off.)
 
 
Persephone
21:57 / 01.09.02
I'm fairly insulated from upsetting spectacles, because I have no TV.

So I was at the supermarket today, pushing the cart through the bakery department. A bit of red, white, and blue caught the corner of my eye --a six-pack of cupcakes with red, white and blue frosting and little plastic American flags stuck in the frosting.

Fourth of July, I thought tolerantly. No wait, it's not July. It's Labor Day weekend. They must be Labor Day cupcakes. That's funny, though. They don't usually do red, white, and blue for Lab--

September. 11th. Cupcakes.
 
 
Mazarine
22:39 / 01.09.02
Slightly off topic, but I heard a while ago that the/a firefighters' union had voted to boycott the dedication of a particular Sept 11th memorial, since Bush fucked them out of a large quantity of funding for training, equipment, etc., and they'd decided that they didn't feel like giving him any more photo ops, but my searches in google have turned up nothing. Anyone else have any info?
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
00:39 / 02.09.02
Will gossip do? The Firemen/EMS union is incredibly cynical and corrupt. As was widely publicized, the WTC wreckage was dug out by uniformed services for months, pulling round-the-clock shifts. What was less publicized was that they got overtime & danger pay and the union sued the city to prevent regular construction crews -- the guys whose job it actually is to haul millions of tons of steel and concrete around -- taking over the 'recovery' efforts. The feds dragged their feet on dispersal of relief funds until the union dropped the suit, which is why the unions are so anti-Bush. I love this crazy town.
 
 
Cherry Bomb
08:43 / 10.09.02
I must admit, I've noticed myself feeling a bit antsy and edgy as 911 grows so close. I suspect it's actually other things going on in my life, but still. I feel a little weird not being in the States for this, so today I broke down and bought a copy of "USA TODAY" (hey, I've lived in the UK for three months now and this is only the third time I've succumbed! That's not so bad!). Anyway, the feature is a very morbid " the last day of life for 3,300 victims..." etc., etc.

The Guardian says that in the States the "America Remembers" stuff reached a "fever pitch" over the weekend.

So I'm just wondering, what's going on over there? And how do you feel?

The cupcakes sound terrifying, Persephone.

Also if you really want to look at something interesting I suggest doing a search for "Plane" on the front page of barbelith and reading the threads from the day. A hell of a lot more interesting and less maudlin.
 
 
autopilot disengaged
09:24 / 10.09.02
i've spent nine months writing an anti-war play.
 
 
Smoothly
09:50 / 10.09.02
Isn't September 11th also the anniversary of Pinochet's US engineered coup in Chile? I think a few people died then too. Do they get memorial programme?
 
 
DaveBCooper
10:06 / 10.09.02
I know people who work for HM Govt in the UK, and none of them have received a protocol whatsit or anything like that... was this a myth?

DBC
 
 
8===>Q: alyn
10:15 / 10.09.02
Anyway, the feature is a very morbid " the last day of life for 3,300 victims..."

The latest count is just over 2,800.

Isn't September 11th also the anniversary of Pinochet's US engineered coup in Chile? I think a few people died then too. Do they get memorial programme?

Maybe in Chile.

So I'm just wondering, what's going on over there? And how do you feel?

It's actually been pretty mellow, as far as I can tell. The TV promises lots of crap, but on the streets and in the workplaces of NYC no one's making a big deal out of it. As for how I feel, I'll be glad when it's over.
 
 
Shortfatdyke
11:47 / 10.09.02
One of my best friends lost someone dear to him in the WTC, and I got an email from him this morning, saying that he was having a difficult time, which was being made much worse by the 'stage management of murder' and the fact that his friend's death is being used as a 'reason' to kill thousands of people. So I don't think he'll be observing the silence tomorrow.

I'm feeling a bit jittery, but not because I really think much will happen tomorrow, just that the continual insistence of the media that London will be a target is having an effect on me. All this stuff about '11 September 2001, the world stood still' is laughable. I doubt if most of the world gave much of a damn; New York/Washington is not the centre of the world. There was an interview this morning with a colonel who was badly injured in the Pentagon attack. He said it woke America up to the fact that a lot of the world doesn't like the country and that's their [the other countries'] problem. Cue me shouting at the tv in frustration - the man had 60 per cent burns, he's disfigured for life. I would've thought he was in a good position to realise that it is also now America's problem and that unless things change it will be America's problem again.
 
 
The Apple-Picker
14:05 / 10.09.02
Anyway, the feature is a very morbid " the last day of life for 3,300 victims..."

The latest count is just over 2,800.

Are you sure of that? This resource says that 256 passengers and crew members were killed with 2935 people on the ground in those attacks. It's still not 3300, but the number is greater than just over 2800.

How I feel is very weird. Like Cherry Bomb and others have mentioned, I feel edgy, antsy. It's not that I really believe an anniversary attack will happen, but I'm still afraid. Today my boyfriend, who up to now had only talked about September 11th as the media portrayed it and how he was sad that I wouldn't get to see a full skyline, today he recalled living the day.

He said it woke America up to the fact that a lot of the world doesn't like the country and that's their [the other countries'] problem.
I'm not surprised. Not being surprised doesn't keep me from being disappointed, though. His attitude does seem to reflect the general atmosphere.
 
 
pointless and uncalled for
17:19 / 10.09.02
Working at an airfield tomorrow. Another addition to the litany of the strange twists of my life. This is only how I see it though.
 
 
grant
18:05 / 10.09.02
Got this in the inbox today:

From: "The MoveOn Team"
To: "Rev. Grant Balfour"
Subject: 9/11 Events with a Peaceful Focus



Dear MoveOn Member,

This Wednesday will mark the anniversary of
events that ended thousands
of lives, and changed the social and political
fabric of our country.
Many of us are still coming to terms with what
that day meant to us.

The choice of how to remember September 11th is,
of course, a very
personal one. If you are looking for a way to
observe September 11th
that focuses in part on building a more peaceful
future, here's a
website you may find helpful -- it includes a
directory of local events
in communities in the U.S. and around the world:

http://www.unitedforpeace.org

If you choose to participate in one of these
events, you will help to
shape this day as one of peaceful remembrance,
rather than a call for
more retribution.

We hope you find this resource helpful.

 
 
Jack Fear
21:27 / 10.09.02
Remember, remember,
Eleven September—
Al-Qaeda terrorist plot

I think it great error
if Al-Qaeda terror
Ever should be forgot
 
 
Bear
07:54 / 11.09.02
I'm not sure if someone has mentioned this already (as there seem to be a few 9/11 topics) but yahoo has changed their front page to gray, as a mark of respect (?)
 
  

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