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Graeme McMillan
15:25 / 13.08.02
Shh. We're discussing the fact that Hollywood has cottoned onto the fact that all English people are bastards, which I happen to know for a fact because they weren't very nice to me and a mate once. So there.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
16:59 / 13.08.02
Dodgy roads to travel down these days and for good reason. & it's a lazy argument: these people from this or that place share all these characteristics. Which is very well discussed also in Special Boy potus' fine thread.

I think there's often a gentle humour behind some of the anti-English jibes which is lost in translation from the guttural Scots. As there is when the English half of my family makes jokes about the Scots. If I were English and living in Scotland, I might very quickly tire of hearing my nationality remarked upon.

I have also heard, not frequently, fairly virulent stuff said about "the English" up here, usually in pubs, but I have thought that eejits like that exist in every culture. Just change the names of the parties to national enmities. I assumed that, nasty as they are, they are few in number. Could be there's a lot more of that than I perceive, not being so sensitised to it.

I know I was glowering at a tableful of loud Australians in a bar in London the other night, thinking the fact of their Australian-ness was significant in some way. But it wasn't. Just me lazily stereotyping. Not one of them had a bum like Kylie's.
 
 
No star here laces
17:01 / 13.08.02
I drunk a pint of Buckfast once. It was lovely. Then I had three jellies and beat up an englishwoman with a battered sausage.

And all without ever setting foot in Airdrie!

Isn't our multicultural world fantastic?
 
 
Ganesh
17:08 / 13.08.02
No, he's right; we are all cunts.

Seriously, I can actually sympathise with some of the sentiments here. The anti-English thing, for a start, is particularly embarrassing now we've (and I'm aware that I'm aware that I still think of myself very much as 'not English' despite increasingly thinking of myself as 'Londoner') got our own parliament - which has successfully chucked out Section 28, fox-hunting, etc., etc. It's a little sad that so many of us still define ourselves in slightly passive-aggressive 'oppressed by the English' terms. I guess that'll take a generation or two to disappear.

I was reminded of this during the World Cup, when all my work colleagues were seriously getting into it, I joked that, as a Scot, I was contractually obliged to support whoever was playing against the English. 'Course, ZoCher informed me that, north of the border, the same theme was to be heard everywhere, but in deadly seriousness...

And Irvine Welsh? Well, yeah, he's well past his sell-by now. He's done pretty well with his slightly limited exploration of the 'schemie' male psyche - and he's illuminated some dark corners of male sexuality - but his carnival grotesquerie has been sounding depressingly one-note for a while now.

I'd take issue with the 'Scots are unfriendly' argument, though. Miserable, yes, and often unfairly snarly with the English, but not generally misanthropic. Abroad, it's always nice to introduce oneself as Scottish rather than English; distancing oneself (however artificially) from the snooty colonial / whinging Pom stereotypes invariably guarantees a better reception. Scots seem to be relatively good at assimilating themselves into other cultures too; I've yet to hear of a 'Scots ghetto' (of course, this could be because we export 'bessshhht mate' West Coast drunks all around the world instead...).

So, uh, yeah. What was I saying?

We're all cunts. Yeah.

*plink*

CRUNCH.
 
 
Ganesh
17:16 / 13.08.02
'Gregory's Wicker Girl'. Definitely.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
17:40 / 13.08.02
[Braveheart] Ye can take our land. Ye can take our cattle. Ye can take our women. But ye will nivvar take the chip off our shoulder. [/Braveheart]

The loveliness of the Barbelith Scottish contingent gives me hope. btw.
 
 
w1rebaby
20:00 / 13.08.02
Buckfast is the nastiest alcoholic drink in the world. Worse than Campari. On the other hand, Tennents Super is the best high-strength lager. Better than "beer of the gods" (ahem) Special Brew. So what does that say about Scotland? Nothing.

Thanks for reading.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
12:31 / 14.08.02
Buckfast was the original alcopop. It is merely Irn Bru, fermented by monks who look like Rab C Nesbitt.

I tried it once, ended up barking like a dog, and had to sleep in the common stairwell of my flat because the key wouldn't fit in the lock...

Just Say No to Buckie, Kids! & the profits go to Holy Mother Church...
 
 
No star here laces
12:38 / 14.08.02
That's interesting, ZoCher, cos when I first tried Buckfast, I fell asleep in a stairwell too. It wasn't mine though, it was some place in Leith, which was odd, as I was drinking in Greyfriars. Was I channelling?
 
 
Ariadne
12:39 / 14.08.02
LOL. Thanks for that ZoCher, you cheered up my afternoon.

I only ever drank Buckie once, out of the bottle behind the waltzers at the fair. Only a swig, mind you, as i was in my Guide uniform and supposedly responsible for half a dozen small girls. I must have been all of 13. Bloody hell.

Anyway, I saw my first joint that same evening, so it was an educational experience all round.
 
 
Mourne Kransky
12:41 / 14.08.02
[sppoky coincidence] How bizarre, Lyra. I drank Buckfast in Leith and ended up asleep on a landing in Polwarth (which is sort of near Greyfriars...) [/spooky coincidence]
 
 
Fist Fun
12:51 / 14.08.02
Buckfast has a bad rep. I quite liked it for a bit. The violence isn't good though. Thunderbird was always that bit classier though.
 
 
Ariadne
12:52 / 14.08.02
Och, but you're better off on vodka and irn bru. Especially in a wee wine glass.
 
 
Justin Brief
13:02 / 14.08.02
MD 2020 - 'Mad Dog'- is a far superior tipple to Buckfast. I drank a bottle of it while queuing to see Primal Scream at the Barrowlands a few years back, and got into a fight with a crowd of Rangers fans. I didn't win.
 
 
w1rebaby
14:57 / 14.08.02
The last time I recall drinking vodka and Irn Bru, I started stealing people's beer and was chased across a cricket pitch by policemen. While there was a match on. And then ended up in the Infirmary.

I say "recall" but I don't really remember it at all, this is second hand.
 
 
Bill Posters
15:21 / 14.08.02
Did the phrase, "He got hit on the head by the ball sarge, honest," come into it by any chance?
 
 
pacha perplexa
16:57 / 14.08.02
so eftir the gadge starts drinkin aw ma irn bru n voddy, e's pure stealin beer fae every cunt and the polis chase im across a cricket grun. An ah wiz jist lik that man: "wiiiit"
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
17:03 / 14.08.02
Buckfast? Buckfast is fantastic. And it's the only wine to accompany that half-gram of cheap horrible whizz you have to take before you can walk in those shoes.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
21:51 / 17.08.02
justin

did you ever drink in the Ettrick?

cos it was my french teacher Mr Hogg who owned it.

he was doing the speech and drama teacher.
 
  

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