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Club Magick: Dancing your way to becoming a better magician

 
  

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Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
19:36 / 05.08.02
So as of late I've been frequenting a goth club. I'm not a goth, nor do I have any interest in that scene (frankly, I am suspicious of any scene with it's lines in the sand drawn so clearly). I heard a tip that there was some liquid acid there, so I've been looking and asking and talking. I'm not much of a club person. But I was experimenting with this club at the same time I was experimenting with working magick on E, so it all worked out.

This thread is mainly a discussion bit. Tell of your experiments and ideas on this subject. I've had great success working magick on E and using dancing to achieve gnosis. This is especially easy at this club because of the goth feel, which I have found to be very conducive to working magick. Another advantage of working magick in a club, aside from the excess energy all around you (you extroverts in the audience will appreciate this. You can soak up the energy like a sponge), is that there are also lots of drugs. If you're into that. Personally, I have had to stop with the E, because the last pill I took was pure MDMA and coming down was a bitch. But the night I took it I charged three sigils on the dance floor, created a chaos vortex, and performed an invocation (of Eris, which may have been a mistake. Another danger of working magick on drugs. "This is a great idea!" you'll think, but c'mon, if you're like me you have too much insanity in your life anyway. This week has already been nuts, and will continue to get even crazier, if I have any idea on what Eris is all about). Another advantage of a goth club: no one will think you're strange for doing all this on a dance floor...and this particular club, although incredibly cliquey, is full of beautiful people. Which is always a plus, but at times distracting if you're serious about working magick. Glamour magick is easy there, but you'll point it the wrong way if you're not careful and are thinking of the hot girl dancing next to you rather than the actual target you went to the club for. Little things like that are the stuff you have to watch out for.

I had an amazing amount of energy, and I could absorb whatever else I needed from the crowd. The only problem was the next day, and dealing with the energy fallout of both the rituals and the E.

So: goth clubs. Perfect mood, lots of energy here and there, and lots of drugs in case you can't summon or absorb the energy yourself. I will update this thread, discussing my other experiments and experiences infiltrating the scene. It's all very new and exciting to me.

So what about you?
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
19:39 / 05.08.02
Of course, it should be known that the scene will bore me quickly as I'm not that interested in it, but rather the idea of clubs and magick and different feels of different scenes. So any ideas of where to go when I tire of this club will be greatly appreciated.
 
 
cusm
20:18 / 05.08.02
Syncronicity: I just finished a rough draft of an article on "raves" and parties, and spiritual experience through ecstatic dance (ie, gnosis for our lot). I finish the article, send it off, flip over to Barbelith and this is the top post. Heh. I love this place

Yea, I'll have something real to say about this later, just had to share that one.
 
 
the Fool
22:19 / 05.08.02
I'm actually a bit dubious of working magic while under the influence, of anything. It modifies your intentions, affects your willpower.

I think E and Acid are mainly useful for inspiration, rather than actually workings. This way if things go wrong your not on acid and you will be able to ground yourself much easier. Acid for me was (as I haven't touched the stuff for about 3 years) like reading a book. I would gather information, images, ideas from the raw creative source and try to hang on to as much of it as can. Like downloading from a dream. This I would then attempt to embody into the real world.

But acid can also show powerfully dark images, laying magical intent across these images could be very dangerous indeed, and not easy to escape from.

Hence why I would choose a rave or nice cosy house club rather than a goth club for all this. Keep the mind firmly fixed on the possitve. Especially if something like liquid LSD is involved. That is very very weird shit.

I think possibly certain types of magic might be appropriate with certain drugs. I think E/MDMA and tantra would go together nicely. I've probably stubbled across some of it (tantra) by accident during my adventures in clubland.
 
 
Lurid Archive
22:35 / 05.08.02
But goth clubs exude a very positive, often sexually charged energy for the people who go. Though there are lots of vampire types who are very fucked up, this doesn't really cover the whole gothsy, magick, drug experience.
 
 
the Fool
00:16 / 06.08.02
I guess I often overlook the beauty aspect of goth. The finery. I tend to always see the trashy vampgoth stuff floating around Melbourne.

And I also guess vamptypes are found in equal number at raves and clubs. They just don't dress as vamps...
 
 
Wrecks City-Zen
01:14 / 06.08.02
It's all right here...
 
 
Rev. Wright
08:16 / 06.08.02
Clubbing/Dancing as magickal act, will be getting more dates very soon, will keep you all posted, it's gonna be big.
 
 
cusm
15:08 / 06.08.02
As well as taking magick into the club, one can take the club to the magick.
 
 
Seth
16:47 / 06.08.02
Here's a link to a thread that talks about magic in clubs.
 
 
Wrecks City-Zen
18:12 / 06.08.02
AAARGHHH!!! I KEEP GOING IN CIRCLES!!! THE LINK TAKES ME BACK HERE!!! WHAT KIND OF WITCHCRAFT IS THIS, MIGHTY EXPRESSIONLESS???

End rant.
 
 
betty woo
18:23 / 06.08.02
Clubs can provide an excellent environment for certain types of workings, especially glamour and illusion related. However, they are incredibly difficult to control, because there is so much wild energy floating around. There's the ethics of drawing on other people's energy to consider; it's awfully easy to strike on a negative vibration when absorping energy from strangers, especially in a space where superficial glamours are sometimes being used to mask disruptive elements like loneliness and frustrated sexual desires.

There's also the risk of bumping up against someone else who has a similar idea about the space. Etherial goth dancing is an easy disguise for the LBRP, fer instance, and bumping auras with someone else's magic work unawares can set up some odd resonances.

Not to completely dissuade you from your experiments - they sound interesting - just making note of a few potential hazards. You can pretty much triple any environmental control issues when you add in drugs to the mix.
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
19:28 / 06.08.02
Betty: Thank you for the warnings. I had in fact discovered some of these the next day as I was coming down and dealing with not only the energy fallout but the emotional fallout as well. These are all experiments, and I admit that sometimes testing this kind of thing on people who really just want to dance makes me question the direction of the karmic backlash (should there be one), but the data I'm collecting is incredibly valuable. I will be careful, though. Maybe I ought to find some sage to burn before I start my work.

Will: That sounds cool as hell. Makes me wish I weren't stuck here in Detroit and could visit this madness disquised as a dance party.

Fool: I think you misunderstand me. I am not trying to work magick on liquid, I was just looking for some LSD because I have not found any since moving to Detroit and I love the stuff. I quite agree in that tripping is best for collecting data that exists on planes normally unreachable by orthodox means, and definately not for working rituals. I wouldn't be able to do shit anyway as my concentration is awful while tripping. Focusing my will is next to impossible for me on acid.

This warning has been repeated to me often enough here, and I'm going to restate it for all because I can assure you I know from experience: BE VERY CAREFUL WHEN WORKING ON E. Like many have said, you have to get all your intentions and the other dry aspects of putting the spell together out of the way while you're still sober. Otherwise, instead of working a simple sex spell you'll wind up trying to make someone fall in love with you, and then you're fucked (figuratively speaking. Well, literally too, I suppose). Those are two pretty different outcomes, and you might not spot which one is working until the damage has been done.

Much of this club and it's denizens remain unexplored to me, so I'll be here for a while performing experiments. Besides, as noted earlier, there are crazy amounts of beautiful people there, and I've always enjoyed the company of beautiful people. And it'd be cool to meet someone else who was there for similar reasons (the last time I was there, a guy recognized the chaostar on my shirt. I was too busy at the time to question him). Fun times ahead! I'm bringing some people from work and a couple dealers I know with me next time. I can't wait. Heh hehe heh...
 
 
cusm
16:22 / 07.08.02
The big problem with working on E is that you have NO DEFENSES! Taking E with LSD is a great ride, it knocks down all your internal blockages and propells you into a highly energetic state where you can work amazingly potent magicks. However, it knocks down all your exterior walls too, and while you're enjoying a very focused moment of enlightenment, your IQ otherwise suffers to where you can make the most foolish of mistakes on the mundane level. Sure, the sekrets of the cosmos will open to you. The chances that you'll do something foolish with them expand equally as well. And of course, E in a crowd means you'll be open wide to everyone around you. Hope its a good crowd, eh? That's why I only do that sort of thing in a party where I know everyone there.

But otherwise, dancing, drugs, magick and crowds work very well together. Better, if the crowd is aware and playing along with the magick. That's the best.
 
 
Rev. Wright
23:53 / 07.08.02
Cusm's last note has caught my attention. I have got some more dates for a club night I put on and was thinking about how to get the crowd, of mainly unaware clubbers involved in the experience. Obviously I was going to tie in the promotion with design and information. But my thinking is getting the punter active from the moment that they get in and/or pay. Something that they could receive, do and ponder over, any suggestions for this or any other technique, most appreciated.
 
 
cusm
11:34 / 08.08.02
I'd say go for the obvious. Say right on the flier that this rave is dedicated to the promotion of [insert cause here]. "Come, raise your energy to the phat beats of [DJ list] and help make [cause] a reality, and have a kick ass party at the same time!"

That's enough of an intro to let you get away with all sorts of stuff that gets the crowd directly involved, like telling them they've entered ritual space, and that now we will charge this intent when the music peaks so GET DOWN! Proceed to build intensity of the dance up to a peak where you can stop and let them all scream for awhile as the charge, then pick up the beats to party down some more. People will dig that shit if you make it all a part of the fun, like a gimmick of the show.
 
 
Rev. Wright
15:35 / 08.08.02
Cool idea cusm, but what about an item that they could receive at the door that would either instruct them or act as a focus? I was thinking last night that it could be a dice, don't know why.
 
 
betty woo
17:25 / 08.08.02
A rave I attended years ago scattered fake flyers around the club, printed with a modified tarot image on one side and a related head-fuck quote on the other - the idea being that ravers are programmed to pick up and read club flyers, making it a good way to spread around an idea you wanted to implant in the evening. Having 7 or 8 different designs encouraged people to seek out the whole set, and added a level of synchronicity to the experience. Plus, they were just double-sided photocopies, which are pretty cheap.
 
 
Tuna Ghost: Pratt knot hero
18:38 / 08.08.02
That sounds cool. What kind of quotes were they?
 
 
Rev. Wright
19:06 / 08.08.02


Guess who'd just dropped a phatt tune?

4 DJ & 5 Deck Set
 
 
betty woo
19:17 / 08.08.02
The quotes were snippets from folks like Timothy Leary, Robert Anton Wilson, the Principia Discordia, that sort of thing. You could probably substitute quotes relevant to the energy you wanted to focus on, use sigils as illustrations, etc.
 
 
Mr Tricks
23:05 / 08.08.02
hehehe...

Out in the Bay Area California, the concept of Magik & Dance/Rave has become a scene onto itself...

With Parties planed to coinside with Lunar phases & or other cosmic events...
There's Earthdance that strives towards world Peace with Dance Parties syscronised around the world.
The Groove Carden
Fusion

and my favorate... the Rythm Society

Many of my Magik lessons came on the Dancefloor... I'll post some more stuff later!
 
 
Naked Flame
09:32 / 09.08.02
I just have to plug Whirl-Y-Gig in London in this regard. The energy is incredibly positive, it's more of a happy upbeat rave feel with world music tinges, and the finale is fuckin' wonderful- everyone sits down and they drop a huge parachute canopy on the dancefloor, then project light on to it. Everyone chills as one, and it's like a giant orgone machine.

I was last there in April- it's been too long! and did a major self-transformation work there which is still unfolding (that's what's kept me out of the Magick for a bit- that whole aspect of my personality was 'sealed' for the change.)

I find that one of the most excellent things about dancing to gnosis in this manner is that you don't need to take any drug to access the energy of that drug- so you have a level of control and precision that might not be otherwise available to go with the power boost. You're stamping to the same beat as people on all sorts of stuff.

On this occasion in April, I began by focusing on a globe of gold light around my body that expanded and contracted with the breath until it was big enough to take in the energy of the entire room. Then, while dancing, and processing a share of the communal energy of the place, I began to focus on transforming myself into the image that I had recieved for this purpose (think I posted this one on the MOB board some time back.) All sorts of interior pyrotechnics ensued, and the last four months have seen fundamental changes in my life and my attitudes. At the moment of transformation I also felt the energy shift ripple outwards through the communal vibe. It was powerful stuff... I can't recommend this way of working highly enough, although as ever, YMMV.
 
 
XXII:X:II = XXX
01:38 / 10.08.02
In this vein...

In six days I'll be going to see Tool in NJ. (Pause for mental hooting: Toooool! Fucking TOOOOOL!!!! Yeah, motherfucker, YEAH!!! Thank you.) As anyone who's familiar with Tool should know, much of their material, especially on this most recent album, is more and more mystical in a decentralized spirituality sort of way. Their current tour's set and visuals are either Alex Grey's works or based upon them, and Grey is definitely a luminary in the archaic revivalist trend. Plus, of course, there's sure to be an almightly fuckload of folks tripping their faces off.

Soooo... using the dynamic of a typical stadium rock concert, combined with the particular assets of working at a Tool concert, what sort of really bitchin' casting could a relative greenhorn in the magick game do? I can post a link to a diagram of the layout of the Continental Arena if that helps figure out dynamics; my roommate and I will be in the sixth row of the balcony section, in the leftish-center.

If this is too short notice for something really significant, my sister is trying to get me to come out to a new goth club night at the big Jekyll & Hyde's on the Avenue of the Americas here in NYC. If there's any place absolutely MADE for working, it's J&H's, what with the statue of Zeus, the talking Pacific Islands masks and werewolf heads, the proliferation of arcane parchments on the wall and the real skulls fuggin' everywhere. Perhaps someone less tired than I am can describe their layout in proper detail.
 
 
Eron
22:28 / 20.07.03
Gothic/industrial clubs play dark underworld music, perfect for an underworld journey of liberation!

Now, with a prayer to the thread-rot gods, my dance experiences...

My 1st "magickal" dance/club experience happened when I was worried and couldnt have fun dancing. I distracted myself by closing my eyes while dancing and spining in one direction. After a while I felt wonderful! I also discovered I couldnt stop! To this day, I spin around while dancing.

One night I decided to explore the items my power animals had given me. They began expanding and I began whirling the energies around me while spinning. At one point the music hit a climax (my favourite song!) and I just spun faster. At one point I thought I was entering a totally different space. I looked up and the roof was like stained glass. And I kept dancing! I finally left the dancefloor, collapsed on a sofa and felt like a star. Then some dickhead ask me what I was on. :P

The first time I took acid at a club (1/2 a tab) I danced and sensed energy! I realised why people came onto the floor, how they helped raise and distribute the energy. I realised I could unblock the energy on the dancefloor and let it flow. I felt a delicious euphoric feeling throughout my body. I also discovered that the trickster aspect that came out through dancing was a mask for a far older aspect of myself. (Which scared the shit out of me )

The second and last time I took acid I got a lesson on dealing with this stuff responsibly. Early in the night I felt wonderful and helped the energy flow on the dancefloor. But after a while, I got selfish and thought the energy belonged to me! So it stayed inside me! I got so energised and jittery that I couldnt dance anymore. I spent the rest of that night feeling miserable and it took a week to get over it.

After this I stopped taking acid because I encountered a hidden aspect of myself that I wanted to experience normally. Now, I dance for fun. Whenever I do this, a hidden aspect of myself appears and whispers little secrets to me.
 
 
slinkyvagabond
23:38 / 21.07.03
Personally I would find it well nigh impossible to work a ritual (or ritual type thing, I'm not a stickler for rules) on pills but there is one reason I would reccomend them in a magic sense. Pills make you notice the little details that perhaps go over your head on a sober night's clubbing/pubbing. One of the stereotyped effects is that you're supposed to come over all gooey and think that everything is beautiful (no bad thing). I've found that after the all consuming orgiastic feelings normalise and you plateau you are actually able to focus and explore the wonder of Very Small Things (tm?), especially details about other people. You may never realise your friend has almost two-tone eyes until you look into them flying out of it. And for a, um, practitioner, the ability to narrow (as well as expand) your focus is to be valued. After all, it's really the same thing. The other thing about pills that is possibly useful for magic and the like is that they give you great body awareness. People (and I am one of these so-called People) tend to live up there in their heads a lot, especially if, like me, they are suffering from unasked-for celibacy. A pill reminds you in no uncertain terms to take note of every tiny sensation in your physical being. However, I think pills will scatter your focus a little too much. Fucking and dancing are the only ways I've ever achieved gnosis but they have to be done with a clear head, in my opinion. Energy work, I've found, is the easiest thing too do while dancing, and I talked about this before, a looong time ago. It's possibly better if you focus your energy on yourself though while staying mindful of your body. Me, I could never trance out in a goth club - I would prefer very unrelenting techno/drum and bass/Windowlicker with a heavy bassline. Keep a clear head. Go fucking crazy with the moves but repeat hand or leg movements on your left and right side. Close your eyes if you can. Work your body really hard, if you don't feel like you've been kicked about the next morning, well...you're obviously fitter than I am. I have been dead sober and have gotten some of the best highs ever from crazy dancing in clubs. It gets so you can direct beams of energy through yourself while dancing, which feels really nice. There. That's my 2 cent (EU cent, that is). Now I really wanna go dancing.
 
 
Eron
03:49 / 29.07.03
I just came back from a wonderful night of dancing at a dodgy gothy (80's electro-ish) night-club!

The night began badly. My brother and I were confronted with a dingy basement with bad music and fuck all people. It got worst when they kept fucking with the volume and playing baaaaad 80's music.(The stuff they buried and forgot!) My brother and I began ripping the place to pieces, pointing out what they could have done better, when we realised, "Fuck, we came here to have fun!" With this in mind, I decide to take a page from the magicians here and rewrite our story for the night. (I did this verbally and as a joke, my brother being the erm, pragmatic sort) We agreed we wanted to enjoy ourselves and party till late (and meet 2 cute girls. It was worth a shot)

Guess what? A few minutes after we decided to have a wonderful night out, they played a Bowie song. Naturally, we shook ass. And they kept playing good music! I thoroughly enjoyed myself.

Some cool things happened to me. I sealed my aura using with some nice butterfly imagery. I noticed the "energy dynamic" on the floor and discovered everyone was joining in on the fun! At one high point I felt very good and realised I'd be able to take on cool projects in my life. I then decided to ask how things looked for my big move, (I'm moving to Berlin.) I saw a big prefab wall with "Failure" written all across it. I sensed this was good though, like I had to try lots of things and fail at them, to learn from the mistakes. Another part of me hated this because I want it to be a success. Any ideas?

At one point I shifted energy between my hands, in rythmn with the music. This eventually solidifed around my body into a ring which I associated with a bridge. Eventually, through the music, it rose above me and I decided this was a "transporter," like Star Trek. (My god, I'm a nerd! I blame it on you guys!) As I "beamed down", the music changed, so I thought I was cruising down a long stretch of highway, (I even had a steering wheel!) Unfortunately I got scattered and ended up with a headache for my troubles.

Fortunately the joy continued! "The Empress" tarot card has been on my mind a lot lately, so I channeled it's energy (a lovely pale blue,) into my space. I discovered that I'm fundamentally alright. I concluded that the reason I had a headache was because I had excess energy I hadn't grounded. I decided to channel this Empress feeling of alrightness into this excess energy and to a good deed! I wished that my brother, everyone in the room, the barbelith community, my other (www.neubauten.org) community and of course, the whole world would feel this alrightness for themselves ENJOY!

Alas, this joy juggler needs rest so...so long, farewell, auf wiedersehen and good niiiiight!
 
 
Quantum
14:38 / 29.07.03
Lots of good advice on this thread- I have to say go whirl-y-gig, it's full of well intentioned magicians as well as being the most kickass party. I was there for Banco de Gaia one new year recently, coincidence abounded...

Although doing magic on E has it's problems, it's an excellent environment to show it to people (especially seeing auras) as they are receptive, in a good mood and more likely to see crazy stuff. If you keep to simple stuff it can be very effective, especially things that go along with the mood (like 'make this party more fun' spells)
 
 
Rev. Wright
22:50 / 29.07.03








 
 
cusm
15:38 / 30.07.03
In a similar vein, here's this year's Gaian Mind writup, by yours truely. I had the distinct pleasure this year of running much of a moon service to kick off the second night of fun for about 300 or so ravers who made it out for the opening ceremony, which was a new experience for me, to say the least :O

But the notable bits being, the entire event was framed with a circle opening at the beginning and a closing at the end on sunday. So, it was ceremonial magick dancing the whole time. And yea, it was pretty powerful. I got into all sorts of trance, the sort of things that are hard to write out but were very moving none the less.
 
 
Rev. Wright
20:57 / 30.07.03


Just recently got back from the Buddhafield Gathering 2003, gotta say that it was very special spiritually (remember that journey you told me about that I'd be taking, cusm) check out the pictures from Buddhafield Gathering 2002, note the South American brethren that I scored some lovely fresh Copal from.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
09:45 / 19.08.03
Personally I would find it well nigh impossible to work a ritual (or ritual type thing, I'm not a stickler for rules) on pills but there is one reason I would reccomend them in a magic sense. Pills make you notice the little details that perhaps go over your head on a sober night's clubbing/pubbing.

I had some interesting experiences taking really good E’s during the mid-nineties that were really…profound, for want of a better term. I relate them to Reich’s theories about muscular tension and character armour. Very good MDMA seems to temporarily dissolve this Reichian character armour in one fell swoop. It’s just gone. For about six to eight hours you seem to have no physical experience of the chronic muscular tensions that Reich says are symptomatic of unhealthy mental or emotional complexes. You genuinely feel free, open and unafraid in every sense of these terms – and that, for me, is the most magically significant aspect of the various drug experiences that I’ve had.

There’s a bit in Grant Morrison’s JLA run where the JLA of the year 1 million turn up. Somebody tries to read their minds and is shocked that there are no defences; their minds are all wide open and unafraid of anything – there’s absolutely nothing that they are ashamed of or trying to hide. Reich’s theories, as I understand them, would indicate that this is the natural healthy state of homo-sapiens, but in life we accrue these chronic mental, emotional and physical tensions that restrict the flow of ‘orgone’ and make us unhealthy, guilty, ashamed, envious, pathological, etc... Good E, in my experience, gets rid of all of this for a few hours and puts you right back in that natural state.

Several strange evenings at squat parties in the North of England were magically transformed, by way of a dodgy 10 quid sacrament, into these shamanic visions of what you could almost think of as something like the Biblical Eden. Everything is alive, open and unafraid. The music that’s playing, even if it’s the shittiest house music you’ve ever heard, is transformed into the divine music of the spheres. ‘Every man and woman is a star’ experienced as a living physical reality, no longer a hackneyed Thelemic platitude but right fucking there in front of you all the time. This mad utopia that is actually there in front of our eyes but were unable to grasp. All of us too locked into our tensions, complexes and obsessions to ever realise it or notice it, like a bunch of clueless gnostic demiurges fallen into matter.

That’s what I got out of E in relation to magic. I’ve never had one for years and years, and I’m not all that bothered about it now. The quality wouldn’t be quite as good, and I doubt I would be affected the same way that I was back then. I remember each subsequent pill I took being less effective. It’s possible I just started getting really bad E’s, but I do think that a qualitative change takes place the more regularly you take drugs and they become less powerful and less effective.

It’s not really important for me to re-create that experience through the use of synthesised drugs now. What is important is that I had those shamanic experiences at a formative age and was changed entirely because of them. I know instinctively that the vision of reality I caught a glimpse of in countless mad pilled-up moments is, at some level or another, an achievable state of human existence. And however ephemeral, impossible and utopian this may seem in the cold light of day, it can’t be discounted or ignored.

I’d say that these experiences were as valid a shamanic vision quest as any that may occur in an indigenous shamanic tradition. Through the mechanism of the whole early 90’s rave thing I was receiving these crazy shamanic visions on a weekly basis in my late teens. They effectively switched me on magically. I think I was always going to be a magician at one point or another, but the fact that these drugs were flying about, gave me some means of experiencing several initiatory visions that permanently changed my perceptions and understandings of the world.

It makes no logical sense that the worlds unlocked by E or acid are somehow contained inside and only accessible via these tiny capsules or blotting papers. If all that is changing is the chemicals that your brain produces, then surely the essential reality that you experience on psychedelics has no more or less validity than the world you experience day-to-day. How can you not become a magician after being given an instinctive understanding of something like that?

What I’m interested in doing at the moment is looking back over all of these drug inspired visions in as much detail as I can recall. Trying to recapitulate these experiences as important aspects of a shamanic initiation that may still hold all sorts of important information and training/conditioning for the future. I’m considering these visions as initiatory experiences that happen outside of time, and therefore it’s possible I may have been shown stuff I couldn’t possibly make sense of when I was 18, but is really important to recall and internalise in relation to a later stage of my life.

I dunno, food for thought concerning drugs and magic at any rate. Although bollocks to goth music and ‘tribal’ techno – it’s got to be Jamaican ska and dancehall all the way. 100% Dynamite in theory and practice, is the way to go.
 
 
illmatic
11:28 / 19.08.03
Great post. My experience of leaping up and down and getting messy wasn’t the same as yours but it was still absolutely fantastic. I caught the tailend of the M25 scene and then went to a lot of the big commercial raves in the early 90’s – things like Raindance etc. What was interesting about it for me was the kind of new vision of society it opens up – spontaneous mass movement of thousand of people, organised via mobile phones, squatting spaces and running their own networks, to some degree free of the normal proscribed commodity culture. (Obviously, it got commodified and overrun with gangsters in about 5 seconds flat, but don’t kill my buzz, man). I think Castlemorton – massive illegal rave in the UK that went on for about a week - really gave the powers that be the shits and was the main reason for 1994’s Criminal Justice Bill and the subsequent persecution of travellers by the police in this country. They (the travellers) have been pretty much been hounded out the country by now. I can remember reading at the time about huge police databases being made of all the travellers, all their vehicles etc thousands and thousands of pounds of taxpayers money – sort of makes sense if you put it in that context.

What’s interesting about E is that it allows you to re-experience intense open emotion without the layer of fear that normally surrounds and inhibits such expression. There are few books and articles about this – one of the first was a book called “Gateways of the Heart” which came out in the eighties sometime which was an account of the use of MDMA in psycho-therapy. It was this that led to the infamous tales of former football hooligan enemies hugging each other on the dancefloor. I can remember being caught up in this collective positive hysteria at raves and it was certainly like nothing I’ve ever experienced before. Sheer joy. I heard that trials are being run in the’States on the quiet of MDMA’s use in therapy again which I think is an absolutely fantastic development, not least of which because where the US goes, we tend to follow. It’s certainly something I’d like to re-experience if I felt like I could handle the intensity. One interesting aspect of this, both on a social and personal level, is the way things get recuperated and gradually return to normal – E has gone from being a “love drug” back to simply a part of the cocktail for messy nights, in a same way, the whole dance scene lost that utopian edge. I wonder if all change is like this – your, or societies’, character armour, slowly coalesces, reforms again and starts to protect and inhibit.
 
 
illmatic
11:29 / 19.08.03
I've just realised this sounds suspiciously "it's not as good as it used to be" so my apologies if it sounds like I'm tryint to put down anyone's current experience.
 
 
Gypsy Lantern
12:42 / 19.08.03
I wonder if all change is like this – your, or societies’, character armour, slowly coalesces, reforms again and starts to protect and inhibit.

That's a really interesting way of looking at it. In this context, the criminal justice bill could conceivably be seen as a natural response to the dissolution of societies character armour on a massive scale. Change perceived as a dialogue that's in the process of working itself out.

I've just realised this sounds suspiciously "it's not as good as it used to be" so my apologies if it sounds like I'm tryint to put down anyone's current experience.

I was trying to avoid that tone in my own post as well, but I think its fair to say that the climate for this sort of thing in the UK, both legally, socially, and I suppose on a mass scale psychologically, is very different now from the early 90's. I think some of this was caused by the criminal justice clamp down, and some of it may have been a natural reaction - societies character armour creeping back and making us all feel guilty for acting so foolishly. But I like to think that this cynicism towards these experiences that we've been stuck with by and large over recent years is a part of an ongoing process. Perhaps what's important is not so much the short term impact of these experiences, but the longterm integration of this alternative vision of how things can be, into the set of rules and choices that we agree to call consensual reality.
 
  

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