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New X-Men: Brave New World

 
  

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Sebastian
12:04 / 06.08.02
From what I've read the annual will be in the HC. The HC is supposed to collect all GM's run on NXM, and the solicitations announce the annual as a plus.

Since everyone is blaming Kordey for his work, which I deeply regret to see on NXM, and it is not even remotely comparable to his quality work on Cable, I would actually point the gun (magnum load) to the darling editors, that probably pushed him to get things done in a ridiculuous time frame, and approved to get those sketches out into print. Is it me or something similar screwed with GM's work before?
 
 
The Natural Way
12:14 / 06.08.02
Hmmm. I won't point the finger - I know not who the pranny is - but y'know how thew Shi-ar are a space empire and you know how they fly about it beautiful, shiny, enormous starships etc. Well, you know all that and how gleaming and skill they should look....

Well, you know Kordey's art..........
 
 
Spaniel
16:54 / 06.08.02
Yeah, but aliens should look weird and have big heads and stuff.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
18:17 / 06.08.02
I was looking at the Imperial trade paperback in the shop yesterday and was sort of pleasantly surprised by how Frank, Ethan, and Igor's art didn't seem nearly as jarring as I thought it would as a collected book. I was also surprised that they just went with the #126 cover for the cover of the collection - it makes sense, it looks great, but I thought they'd have a new cover. I thought it was strange that they didn't bother adding an introduction at all, there was no "...previously in New X-Men" or explanation for why the artists were rotating so much. I think that stuff is important for people to know...
 
 
Captain Zoom
20:15 / 06.08.02
Been wracking my brain a bit to think if there's anything in the previous 113 issues that's important to Grant's run. The only thing I could think of was that Cyclops merged with Apocalypse (the teams uber-baddie for the last decade), hence his current personality as he tries to sort out who he really is.

But apart from that there really isn't anything. I don't think.

Zoom.
 
 
Captain Zoom
20:16 / 06.08.02
And OI! Persephone. Whaddaya mean people in comic shops are too forbidding?

I'm very friendly.

Most days.

zoom.
 
 
houdini
03:47 / 14.08.02
Folks, let's remember that Igor Kordey pencils something like 4 books a month. Since he only comes into play on nXm when poor Mr Quitely's anti-Flash powers kick into action I have the feeling that Kordey pencils an entire issue of nXm quite often in one evening.

Yeah, I don't like it either and I think that something should be done. To be honest, the only artist I like on nXm is Quitely. But I feel that maybe GM's attachment to him is holding the book back from having either quality or consistency. Better to pick someone entirely other and hit a monthly schedule.

You all know Phil Jimenez makes sense....
 
 
The Natural Way
07:19 / 14.08.02
It seems they've drawn up a schedule now, though.

From what I've heard, Kordey IS coming back, but not for a long time.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
09:58 / 14.08.02
MEANING:

he's only going to draw a few issues

OR

we're not going to see him on the book for a while yet?
 
 
The Natural Way
10:01 / 14.08.02
We're not going to see him for a little while.

A bloke from Comics Showcase heard him somewhere muttering about next year's schedule. So it sounds like he WILL be back, but fuck knows when.

As I've said before: he'd better keep away from the final story arc or I'll be forced to cry.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
10:21 / 14.08.02
igor kordey - it even sounds like some kind of comic based infection which ravages story lines.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
10:25 / 14.08.02
eegor corrodium.
 
 
Persephone
11:38 / 14.08.02
Not you, Zoom!

*jumping up and down*

Do you have NXM Imperial for me? Huh? Huh? Huh?
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
13:36 / 14.08.02
Runce, this is the schedule:

130 - Kordey
131 - Leon
132 - Jiminez
133 - Van Sciver
134 - Van Sciver
135 - Frank Quitely
136 - Frank Quitely
137 - Frank Quitely
138 - Frank Quitely
139 - Frank Quitely
140 - Frank Quitely
 
 
The Natural Way
13:44 / 14.08.02
I know that (you've posted it before), but I'm talking about what comes AFTER it.....

Brrrr...gives me the shivers.
 
 
Sax
14:19 / 14.08.02
[whispers] Ethan Van Sciver's here [whispers/]
 
 
The Natural Way
14:20 / 14.08.02
That's okay, I don't mind him.
 
 
Ethan Van Sciver
09:54 / 15.08.02
Sax: Shh..

Igor Kordey is not coming back to New X-Men. It's Phil Jimenez, Frank Quitely and I.

-Ethan V.
 
 
The Natural Way
10:38 / 15.08.02
I thought comicscock could be wrong. Just waiting for someone w/ authority to come along and make it happen.

Loved the Garden of Eden vibe that suffused yr Xavier's, Ethan.
 
 
houdini
17:04 / 23.08.02
Re-read nXm 2001 last night and I noticed something that's going to hamper the inclusion in any collections: it features a number of double-page spreads. Which will, of course, look bollocks unless they put them on weird fold-out bits, like the end of Ronin.

[PEDANTRY]
Also wondering: When, exactly does nXm 2001 come in continuity compared to the rest of the series. My guess is between 117 and 118 because in 118 we see the Beast get crippled and after that Xavier's in space. The Prof is not *in* nXm 2001 but you'd think there'd be some mention of his sodding off unexpectedly if it'd happened already. Anyway. This means that technically nXm 2001 should've been included in the 'e is for extinction' tpb and not in the 'imperial' tpb.
[/PEDANTRY]
 
 
Spatula Clarke
17:11 / 23.08.02
DC always manage to put blank pages into TPBs so that double-page spreads stay double-page spreads. Marvel, from what little I've seen, are shits when it comes to this.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
20:38 / 23.08.02
The problem w/NXM2001, though, is that is was printed "sideways". As in, it's the size of a regular comic, but on longer paper that's folded and stapled on the "top" rather than on the side. Which makes a two-page spread twice as wide as the height of a regular book, if you follow. And which, as I can see now, does pose a bit of a pickle. Resizing/retooling artwork for collections is not unheard of, though.
 
 
Ethan Van Sciver
08:07 / 24.08.02
The Annual wasn't in the Imperial TPB. I think probably because of the artwork sizing problem. Considering Marvel's current TPB agenda, we probably won't see anymore of that Marvel-scope format anymore. (Is that what it was called? I can't remember.) Which is a shame, because I'd like to try it.
Probably for the hardcover, where the annual will be reprinted for the first time, the art will be shrunk down to fit across the two pages, with massive areas of blank space at the top and bottom to fill with extra stuff. I'm just guessing there, but that would be the only way to preserve the widescreen format. The only other option would be to rearrange the panels...I hope they don't do that.
They did something similar to my art in the Imperial trade though. They took a page of art from #123, where the superguardians are getting ready to jump into earth's atmosphere, and made it into two pages. I guess it was done to keep the page count correct and allow for the double page spread at the end.
No matter what they do, it won't be good and people will complain, but at least it will all be there, in one tidy volume.
-Ethan V.
 
 
Persephone
00:08 / 08.09.02
I'm insane. Thursday night, read Germ Free Generation storyline. Friday night, read Imperial storyline. Saturday night, read all Barbelith threads on NXM 118-126. Now I have to go and grow a bug shell around myself to heal my mind...

Funny, look what it says on Barnell's shirt:

 
 
Matthew Fluxington
02:01 / 08.09.02
Well, Persephone - I can only speak for myself, but I am EXTREMELY interested in hearing your thoughts about all of those issues. Spill it!
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
11:07 / 08.09.02
I have seen that there is going to be a mini-series printed in Marvel Scope, so they haven't given up the whole idea yet.

But it's a damn shame that it has to be reprinted in such a crappy way. The art was big and expansive, and will come off as wee and cramped if done as has been described here.

I love the idea of trades getting into bookstores and all, but wouldn't it be better to just not print it rather than make it look so bad?
 
 
Persephone
17:27 / 17.09.02
For what it's worth, some of my thoughts about NXM...

I liked it. I'll probably get critical-sounding lower down in this post, but that's just my way. But I did like it, and I wonder how it compares to other superhero comics. I also got my for birthday an issue of The Atomics, and it didn't really compare to NXM. I'm not sure if that's because I only read only one issue vs. two whole TPBs. Or maybe my brain just wasn't primed enough for new characters; maybe it's just an advantage that NXM has of being established, plus the movie. I didn't really like the way The Atomics was drawn; but this guy also does an X-title for Marvel? How is that?

It felt to me that GM didn't know his own mind about what he wanted Cassandra Nova to be, from beginning to end. When all was said and done, I couldn't distinguish between what was supposed to be narrative misdirection and what were just narrative mistakes. I can see that she's lying when she says to Trask, "You saw my findings: the human race will be just as extinct as Neanderthal man within four generations. Unless we fight back before it is too late." The truth --as Henry discovers and reveals in #116-- is that the human race is doomed to extinction by the E gene. And Hank theorizes at this time that "Cassandra Nova is the first of a new unforeseen species." See now, the pacing of this just seems wrong. It's a big idea that "[h]umanity, whichever you roll the dice, is doomed," as Morrison says in his manifesto. It felt like that idea got trampled in a rush to the next new enemy, but "the next new enemy" is never a new idea. E.g., it was so revolutionary on the original Star Trek that they had Americans and Russians on the same team, but all they did was invent Klingons. And on Next Generation the Klingons are in the Federation, hence Romulans. More interesting stuff to me is... if you were the mentally, physically, and technologically superior species & you knew that these lesser beings that you're in mortal conflict with were doomed to die, what would you do for them?

Of course, as the story develops, it appears that Hank's original assessment of Cassandra is wrong. Cassandra, in the end is the mummudrai (sp?) of Charles. So she's not a new species? I mean, I'd prefer that. In the manifesto Morrison says, "The X-MEN is not a story about superheroes but a story about the ongoing evolutionary struggle between good/new and bad/old. The X-MEN are every rebel teenager wanting to change the world and make it better. Humanity is every adult, clinging to the past, trying to destroy the future even as he places all his hopes there." I would have liked to be able to understand Cassandra in that context --as in, what is the mummudrai of youth? What is the mummudrai of idealism, of activism?

Now I know that Marvel would never give away their property & why would they, but I think it was on the commentary to the Blade DVD that superheros are the modern equivalent to the Greek gods and heroes. Which I don't exactly agree with, except in the regard that no one "owned" those characters. I would love superheroes to be like that. The feeling I got mostly from The Atomics was, what's the point --plus the one guy is basically Plastic Man. I don't really want new superhero characters; I'd like the ones I already know in lots of different stories. Like Wong Fei-Hung in the Chinese tradition. Now I don't feel this way about literary fiction, I can pick up a book and get to know new characters... but I don't think this is about a lower standard for comics. It has to do with the mythological stature of superhero characters. You *can* create new myths, but myths only start to get really fun after they're been around. The characters sort of demand stories to be told about them. And as I write this, I think I understand fan fiction for the first time, and that the very fact of "the fan" is probably an artifact of capitalism. Hm. Anyway, I just wish these characters could be public domain. It seems a little hard cheese that all you can get of these characters is what comes through Marvel.

Uh... I have more notes written down, but I think it would be sane to stop now. Now I'm going to read up on Claremont vs. Morrison, should be interesting...

...also, if anyone feels like giving me a quick rundown on the different X-titles out there & briefly how they compare...
 
 
kid coagulant
18:36 / 17.09.02
I would strongly recommend 'X-Statix' (formerly 'X-Force') by Peter Milligan and Mike ('Atomics') Allred. It's a very good satire of celebrity and consumer culture. And give the Allred's another chance, their art grows on you.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
00:25 / 24.10.02
Ba-da-BUMP!

Th' hardcover, she is out this very day. Full proposal, alternate covers, and annual included (thank goodness, as Persephone now has my original annual...). Neat and tidy fat-packed package, just a cool 30 "big ones"! Buy three!

Incidentally, nice points two posts above, P. Flew under my radar at the time, but worthy of response...when I have one worked out!
 
 
Persephone
01:18 / 24.10.02
Oh my God, I am bathed in shame... I didn't know that the annual was a collectible, I wouldn't have asked for it! I can't believe that you just went ahead and sent it to me...

*hyperventilates*
 
 
The Natural Way
08:05 / 24.10.02
Persephone....

Morrison's stuff always has that "there's a whole bunch of us writing this thing" vibe. There are so many voices in his head, so many ideas all competing for space, you get the feeling that he has a lot of trouble keeping everything neat and coherent - his plots/characters/narratives are continually shapeshifting. Yeah, there are constants, he jams on "themes", but he's drawn to new and exciting variations - consistency be damned. This is part of the fun. You can call it a weakness if you like, but it's just the way he goes about things.

As for the "Gods" thing.... Well, inspite of that Blade DVD business, yr really talking about DC heroes. There's an element of it in Marvel (fr instance, Morrison understands full well that the Fantastic Four, viddied from the correct angle, represent the purification of the four elements of alchemy), but, generally speaking, the denizens of the Marvelverse were originally portrayed as...well...*talented* humans. Marvel deliberately embraced this tack, well aware that DC had cornered the market of the Grk Pantheon and all things deific. They wanted to go for soap-operatics - human drama - and, in large part, that's the way they've played it ever since. The house style, if you like. If you want Gods, read Morrison's JLA (which deliberately goes for the whole Olympian analogy - it's a lot of fun spotting who's who), Alan Moore's collected run on Superman, Miller's 'Dark Knight Returns'.... All these books go for the iconic jugular - there's very little that's human about these characters and everything that's totemic, archetypal, numinous and essential. Anyway, all this goes some way to explain why our Flux doesn't dig on things like 'Dark Knight' very much - some people just prefer the human interest angle of the the Marvelverse.

As for Allred (creator of Atomics), do check him out in X Force/X Statix. Milligan's a fantastic writer, but it does takes a few issues to get into his new POPART style: loads of angsty inner monologue, weeping super-heroes.... The first trade shouldn't be too hard to find and hopefully you'll really dig it.
 
 
lentil
11:03 / 24.10.02
Runce and Persephone: I did my dissertation on the "superheroes as myth" thing (surprisingly enough it was written in spring 2000 when Gm's JLA run was in full swing. What an incredible coincidence.) Wish I'd been able to pick your brains back then, it may have been less shite.
 
 
Persephone
11:56 / 24.10.02
If you want Gods...

Nein! Or rather I don't want gods for their god-like qualities. All I was saying above was that I want the characters to be open-source. I want the New *Flux* X-Men! Although that's really interesting about the difference between DC and Marvel.
 
 
glassonion
13:55 / 27.10.02
divine archetypes are only so as a means of describing universal aspects of human experience. the travails of olympus are human drama too. spidey is a teenager struggling, xmen the avant garde of art and society, avengers the military, justice department and police. these are all perfectly suitable god-forms/human dramas too, just as these characters are in fact public domain. if you want to tell batman stories invent a character like batman but change his name to midnighter or somethin. everyone'll understand what you're getting at. as for other xtitles, uncanny xmen is really rather good right now.
 
  

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