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New X-Men: Brave New World

 
  

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Persephone
22:04 / 30.07.02
Hey ho, have read E Is For Extinction. Which is #114-117, right?

Questions:

* Do I have to read #1-113 to catch up?
* What number are they up to now? In the 130s, right?
* Is there another book that comes after this one?
* The guy in the wheelchair when Genosha gets destroyed, is that Magneto? Why is he in a wheelchair?
 
 
Trijhaos
22:29 / 30.07.02
* Do I have to read #1-113 to catch up?

Only if you want to. It's not necessary for the enjoyment of Grant's run. I'd pick and choose. Some people's runs are better than others.

* What number are they up to now? In the 130s, right?

129 was the last one released, I believe.

* Is there another book that comes after this one?

I think so. If it's out, it's probably called Germ Free Generation .

* The guy in the wheelchair when Genosha gets destroyed, is that Magneto? Why is he in a wheelchair?

Yep. That's Magneto. Why is he in the wheelchair? Because Wolverine stuck three large claws into him before Grant's run began.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
22:39 / 30.07.02
Persephone - as Trijhaos says, you need not ever read anything other than the Grant Morrison New X-Men comics to enjoy New X-Men. Everything from before that gets explained, almost always in a way that is clear and concise.

This thread arrives at a good time - tomorrow is the day that the second New X-Men paperback is released, which includes the Germ Free Generation and Imperial storylines, which conclude the story begun in the E Is For Extinction story. If you buy that, you'll have everything released to date except for the three most recent issues, which shouldn't be hard to come by in any good comic shop.

One thing I'm not clear on is whether or not the new trade paperback will include the New X-Men Annual, which is actually the beginning of the Germ Free storyline. To catch you up with that quickly: some of the X-Men go to China, and discover that there are people called "U-Men" who are led by a charismatic Tony Robbins-ish guy named John Sublime, and that they are killing/maiming mutants to harvest them for their body parts. The U-Men graft the mutant body parts to their bodies, because they want to be members of the "Third Species" and have mutant powers along with their human DNA.

While in China, the X-Men free a mutant named Xorn who has been a prisoner of the Chinese government for something like 50 years. Xorn's brain is in fact a tiny star, and he has incredible power. He is frustrated with his life, and is about to commit suicide (and thus creating a small black hole), but Cyclops talks him out of it.

The U-Men and John Sublime are the villains of the Germ Free Generation story, and Xorn joins up with the X-Men later on in the Imperial story.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
23:25 / 30.07.02
Also, as mentioned in another thread, there will soon be a hardcover collecting all of the aforementioned issues (including the annual). If you like this stuff, it most likely will be very much worth waiting for.

(And while I'm on the subject...I haven't quite decided for sure, but I'm seriously considering buying the hardcover when it comes out and selling off all of the original issues. If anyone here is interested, PM me.)

The real question, Persephone, is: What did you think? Was it everything that you'd hoped for and more?
 
 
DaveBCooper
10:51 / 31.07.02
Deric, do you know if the hardcover will have any additional material in it?
I know that the first TPB had Grant’s proposal and the like, was wondering if there’s likely to be anything like that… not picking on you here – just didn’t even know a hardcover was due at all, and you seem to have the info!

DBC
 
 
sleazenation
11:25 / 31.07.02
Actually i'm not sure i'd advise anyone new to x-men to go anywhere near the back issues -
sure they were occasionally a fun read but they have no real baring on what's going on now and if anything most older stories, pareticularly those of the last ten years, would surely be found wanting in comparison to some of stories told today.
 
 
Persephone
12:13 / 31.07.02
This thread arrives at a good time - tomorrow is the day that the second New X-Men paperback is released, which includes the Germ Free Generation and Imperial storylines, which conclude the story begun in the E Is For Extinction story.

Really? Oh, good! I shall order this directly.

Re: what I thought, overall I liked the book. My absolute favorite thing was Beast ripping off the top of his soda can. But otherwise I just feel like reading more, before saying much.
 
 
The Natural Way
13:38 / 31.07.02
Be warned: does suffer a bit due to shit Kordey art. But he's fucked off now and it doesn't look like he'll be back.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
13:42 / 31.07.02
kordey was a necessary sabatoeur who has been integrated (well, chewed over for a while, anyway) and since spat out - like a skoal bandit.

yeah - kordey was just a pesky skoal bandit.
 
 
The Natural Way
14:19 / 31.07.02
yawn: It's nice to be back, isn't it?

I actually feel sorry for Millar.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
17:33 / 31.07.02
Direct from the Previews solicitation...

New X-Men Vol.1- "Presenting the first full year of super-scribe Grant Morrison's run on comics' top-selling title in one deluxe, oversized volume! This keepsake volume collects NEW X-MEN #114-#126, plus NEW X-MEN 2001!"

No mention of any extras, but it sounds tempting nonetheless.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
18:49 / 31.07.02
Why would it need extras? It's got nearly 500 pages of one long, complete story in one hardcover volume. The convenience of having the story all in one place certainly beats having all the loose issues or spending more money to have the first two trade paperbacks and trying to find a back issue of the Annual.

Comic books are NOT DVDs, people.
 
 
Professor Silly
22:03 / 31.07.02
uh, no annual in there...
 
 
sleazenation
09:00 / 01.08.02
Well maybe if comic collections WERE a little more like DVD's, chock-full of special extras and stuff they mighrt start gaining DVD-like sales figures...

Which is a facetious way of saying - comics can ALWAYS do with having added value - something extra that will make the potential buyer turn from saying - hey all the stories in on place cool to saying - hey all the stories - character sketches roughs and a new interview -- i MUST buy this.

Its about not getting complacent and constantly striving to put better and better books out on the market.
 
 
The Natural Way
09:24 / 01.08.02
Agree wholeheartedly.

Umm, do you wanna hear something shit? The guy in 'Comic Showcase' just told me he'd recently read an interview (or something) with Kordey where he "discussed his stint on next year's art schedule for NXM". Awwww, fuhuuuuck, why won't he just go awaaaay....Mummy.....

He'd better not get his greasy little paws anywhere near the last story arc.
 
 
Pabloboy
11:04 / 01.08.02
"uh, no annual in there... "

"This keepsake volume collects NEW X-MEN #114-#126, plus NEW X-MEN 2001!"

The annual wasn't called an annual, but rather NEW X-MEN 2001. Therefore it is in there.

I always wondered whether they'd include it in the TPB's, since it was printed and bound sideways.
 
 
The Natural Way
11:06 / 01.08.02
No. It's not in there. I've got it.
 
 
DaveBCooper
14:06 / 01.08.02
Oh, I agree that the hardback doesn’t NEED extras, but I think it’s a useful idea - since, other than having hard covers, there’d be little to distinguish it from the TPBs (unless it includes the ‘annual’ thing and the TPBs don’t, though gawd knows how they’d print that whatever the sturdiness of the covers).

And I suppose one might argue that hard covers and the convenience of having it in one place are, in their ways, ‘extras’ in that they’re features the originals didn’t have which you’re paying more money for (quite a bit more in the case of the hardback, I’d imagine).
Something to convince the sort of people that can afford to buy a hardback (that is, not your average casual browser) that it’s worth them doing so and not waiting for the TPBs. That's what I'm after.

DBC
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
20:22 / 01.08.02
I actually think that the upcoming hardcover is the same price as (possibly cheaper than?) the two trades AND it has the annual in it. Thirty bucks ain't bad for all that goodness, but I wouldn't complain if there were some extras included.

On an almost related (but not really) bit of thread rot... My current place and the place I'm about to move into were found by my roommates, so I didn't know where I'd be living ahead of time, but interestingly enough, I'm currently living on Grant Street and I'm getting ready to move to Morris Boulevard. I'm sure that I'm the only person that thinks this is kind of cool and that that makes me totally lame.
 
 
Trijhaos
20:29 / 01.08.02
I read somewhere that the hardcover would be $24.99 or thereabouts, I'm not positive.

While, extras aren't necessary, it's kind of neat when you get a few pages of concept art or a page or two about ideas the writer originally had, but couldn't use for one reason or another.
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
20:36 / 01.08.02
I don't like the idea of just jamming things into the book just because - I think it's a lot more respectable to just present the story in it entirety and let it speak for itself. I'm not really into the idea of 'concept art' cos it's almost always lame. I'm not crazy about having scripts in the book for the same reason I don't really like lyrics being printed in record sleeves, it's like going to a movie with the script in yr hand. Let the work speak for itself. Things that get tacked on just get in the way, I think.
 
 
Trijhaos
20:44 / 01.08.02
The mention of scripts being included brings up a question. Is the script to the silent issue going to be included?
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
21:14 / 01.08.02
yeah, now theres an extra that is actually an extra!
I'd like to have that whole script
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
21:14 / 01.08.02
Oh damn, you've completely made me change my mind - I think it's sort of important to have that silent issue script in there.

Foot's in my mouth, man.
 
 
Persephone
02:17 / 02.08.02
Index of New X-Men threads:

newx-men
New X-Men 115
X-Men 116 (Spoilers of course!)
New XMen 117
NXM 118
Subliminals in NXM-118
newxmen #119
Morrison on XMen
DROOL: Ethan Van Sciver on XMen
New X-Men Annual 2001
New XMen: Angel
New XMen - I've figure it out!
Morrison on New X-Men Muslim character
New X-Men #121 cover and solicitation - BIG SPOILERS
NXM 121 (SPOILERS)
New XMen 121 Script Now Available
new x-men 122
NXM #122 Cover: Xorn! Van Sciver! Nice!
NXM #122 (spoilers?)
NEWXMEN122 nextweek... How about THIS?
e is for extinction TPB
X-men fill-in artist announced
Igor Kordey's X-Men - I'm Impressed!
What is this (X-Men related)
Morrison Dishes Dirt on X-Men 02
New X-Men (General Spoiler Alarm)
New X-Men solicitation (and cool Frank Quitely art)
NXM 123
online x-men subscription
New new xman cover
New X-Men #122
X-Men: Year 2
Key to Understanding New X-Men? (Spoilers)
Shi'ar technology
!livE sI reivaX
Is Grant's X-Men Any Good?
New X-Men #123
New X-Men #124
X-Men: Did Scott and Emma do it?
Scott and Xorn: Creepy slash or a cool marvel team up?
New X-Men #126
X-Men #127
New X-Men #128
New X-Men #129
New X-Men #130
New X Men #131
New X-Men #132
New X-Men #133
New X-Men #134
New X-Men #135
X-Men: Claremont vs. Morrison
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
02:33 / 02.08.02
Speaking of Igor, here's an annoying little quote from Newsarama from the San Diego Comic Convention:

Kordey also asked the fans and the media to stop referring to him as a penciler, as he likes to refer to himself as an artist; and also to stop referring to him as a fill-in artist on New X-Men, as he has drawn more issues of the title in the past year than any other artist.

But Igor, you were a hired gun brought in to be a pinch hitter! You're not drawing the comic anymore! You're gone! Frank, Phil, John Paul, and Ethan are the artists! Fuck off, man!
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
13:54 / 02.08.02
Yikes.

You guys really don't like him!

He has, for the record, been an artist since the 70's. The guy is no spring chicken! I know I'm a minority, and I don't mind differences of opnion (it's what keeps variety in things), but I really enjoy his work. His Cable stuff is far better, I agree that his NXM stuff is very rushed and in places, absolutely terrible... so I have no idea where I'm going with this.

But it's a good thing Warren Ellis doesn't guest-write an issue where Prof X smokes out the window, watching TV in his underwear about how things are so 'f'd up' and he's gonna tell you how it is.
 
 
The Natural Way
14:03 / 02.08.02
Sorry, Sixy, I fucking hate him. There's no excuse for some of the muddy, ugly filth he's spewed onto the pages of NXM. And during Imperial, for fuck's sake! The BIG storyline!

Grant's in-between-the-panels style just doesn't work w/ Kordey's art.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
14:07 / 02.08.02
No! It's not okay... I'm going to go off and look at other comics and have a good cry over them, then smile, cuz you know what? It looks better all wobbly and stuff. I like looking at Iron Man and seeing ink all over the place... So fine, hate him! See if I care... cuz I do...
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
14:27 / 02.08.02
I don't hate Igor's work. It's the fact that his artwork on NXM is sooooooooooooooooo far below his standards in his other comics (Cable, Black Widow) that I find it really offensive - not only does he weaken Grant's story with half-assed artwork, I get really annoyed that he's so willing to do sub-par work on the #1 comic in the industry, like he just doesn't fucking care. He seems to have no investment in Grant's stories, and doesn't really get what NXM is supposed to be.
 
 
The Natural Way
14:48 / 02.08.02
Absolutely - it's not that I really hate Kordey's stuff, just in the context of NXM.
 
 
Mister Six, whom all the girls
14:54 / 02.08.02
I really liked JP Leon's work, however. His Earth-X stuff is astounding (why is it most people flipped through it and said 'too bad Alex Ross didn't draw it'? I know I'm opening myself up for attacks by even mentioning Earth-X, but there it is). The Xorn issue he did was great. I'd be inheaven if he were the regular artist. And, I'm new to the renewed Barb, but was the sex issue ever resolved? I think it was Scrivener who drew little 'sex' words into trees and the like through one issue and Stuart Moore asked him to leave. Anyone know about this?

And I am definitely going to buy the hardcover and give the single issues to a friend. Even at the full 30 it's cheaoer than buying the single issues... I feel... comic shop screwed.
 
 
Professor Silly
18:03 / 02.08.02
Pabloboy
At 14:04 01.08.2002:
"uh, no annual in there... "
"This keepsake volume collects NEW X-MEN #114-#126, plus NEW X-MEN 2001!"

Puppyrunce
At 14:06 01.08.2002:
No. It's not in there. I've got it.

I'm not saying it won't be in the hardcover...and I'm saying it definately is not in the TPB.
 
 
Spaniel
11:32 / 03.08.02
Ommiting the annual: ridiculous bollocks.
 
 
Professor Silly
16:49 / 04.08.02
it might raise the "collectibility" of the book....
 
  

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