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A blueprint for the future, assuming there is one

 
  

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cusm
03:53 / 25.07.02
Spamming is a pretty easy rule to identify, at least. Obviously disruptive and destructive behavior. I think that much should be a given.

Its trying to identify what is harassing or threathening or otherwise socially over the line that is the tricky part. Its almost something you can't put a definite rule to, other than "do not engage in harassing or threathening behavior." Its likely best to leave it no more specific than that, dealing with issues on a case by case basis from there.
 
 
Mystery Gypt
06:03 / 25.07.02
just to get this theoretical bit out in the open... do we all feel as though the "Fetishization of free speach" is something we're willing to examine, ridicule, and toss, now that we've seen where it (possibly) ends? it would be nice to just say once and for all that so called "free speach" -- especially or at least in the context of this board -- is way overrated and only becomes a testable issue when it's abused. right?
 
 
Lurid Archive
07:40 / 25.07.02
Not much to add, but my support for the haus' suggestions. I think it would be easier not to create a new class of mini-mods and I think changing passwords is perfectly acceptable if accompanied by a discussion of the action. I think a time limit is a bad idea, as it increases the chances of trolling and puts pressure on the board.

The mods would be accountable to the rest of the community and I know that someone who abused their powers would come in for heavy criticism. The only problem I can really invisage is if a moderator suit got hacked.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
17:18 / 25.07.02
I think we need to get a FAQ agreed and linked to on the main board so that newbies have no excuse at all for being arses. Or perhaps it should be mailed to them with their password when they apply with the message that using the password to log on to the board constitutes them agreeing to abide by the terms.
Not sure WRT what MG said. Everything about Barbelith does need to be constantly reviewed to avoid things ossifying, but whether that necessarily applies to wanting to give free speech right now I'm not so sure. Again, it was one troll. One hugely disruptive troll, but just the one guy.
 
 
gridley
18:16 / 25.07.02
I'll be a moderator if volunteers are needed.
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
18:46 / 25.07.02
I'll cautiously put my name down for Conversation, but since I've already got the Magick and the Lab in my clutches some people might (quite reasonably) feel a bit uncomfortable about that. Assuming we still *have* the convo in the morning, that is.
 
 
bio k9
19:43 / 25.07.02
Id volunteer for some sort of moderation duty but I really hate rejection.
 
 
The Sinister Haiku Bureau
19:53 / 25.07.02
I'll volunteer, as I secretly long for rejection to confirm my own deep-rooted sense of worthlessness.
 
 
bio k9
19:55 / 25.07.02
Thank you for that.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
16:37 / 26.07.02
I'll volunteer, because I secretely hate you all and one day you will all feel my power.

I'm a giver.
 
 
Solitaire Rose as Tom Servo
18:40 / 26.07.02
I volunteered thinking it would be a big deal, but it isn't. Most of the time you are just helping people clean up their posts and gently getting rid of trolls. Lately I've taken a more active role, talking in threads I know about and trying to generate discussion...which is something I think moderators should be doing.
 
 
bitchiekittie
19:58 / 26.07.02
Im usually in the conversation (but of course) and policy. I make near daily rounds in head shop, switchboard, and gathering. I sometimes poke my head in music. weekends Im rarely, if ever, on

if you need someone, for this or any other tasks, Im there.
 
 
SMS
02:25 / 27.07.02
I will volunteer for Conversation, any place in the revolution except the Switchboard, or possibly Comic Books. It doesn't seem like there's going to be a shortage of volunteers, though, so I have no problem if I'm not needed.
 
 
Ganesh
02:32 / 27.07.02
I'd rather like my moderating power to be extended to the Conversation.
 
 
SMS
03:08 / 27.07.02
I think they should be. Shall I nominate Ganesh here?
 
 
Mystery Gypt
08:19 / 27.07.02
Lada -- what does WRT mean?
 
 
Less searchable M0rd4nt
09:04 / 27.07.02
With Regard To.
 
 
Lurid Archive
09:10 / 27.07.02
I want to be a moderator anywhere that philosophy of science is likely to be discussed. That way, I can delete those posts which are just plain wrong.

Go on. You know it makes sense.
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
09:45 / 27.07.02
I volunteer for the Film TV and Theatre forum.
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
10:37 / 27.07.02
I'm good for Conversation. And dinner. Like the Wub. But there is as yet no dinner topic area.
 
 
Trijhaos
11:30 / 27.07.02
How difficult would it be to make 2 or 3 moderators that aren't connected to any one forum in particular, I guess they'd be something like global moderators.
 
 
Goodness Gracious Meme
11:56 / 27.07.02
will have home net access soon, so would have time to moderate something in addition to policy...
 
 
Seth
12:26 / 27.07.02
I'd quite like to moderate the music forum, too. But then I'm not sure if anyone has asked...
 
 
Naked Flame
12:27 / 27.07.02
The Wub!! oh my.

Haven't come across that one for ages- I read 'Beyond Lies the Wub' in an anthology Peter Davidson put out when he was Dr Who. Deserved his own miniseries (the Wub, not Davidson.)

whoops. threadrot. ahem.
 
 
Panda
14:12 / 27.07.02
Tannhauser, is your name inspired by Bladerunner?
 
 
The Strobe
15:38 / 27.07.02
I had various ideas along this line, and Tannhauser, Sax and Rothkoid have pretty much expressed them (instant temporary action followed up with more considered, greater-moderated permanence if voted for) in one way or another.

But I think rather than adding to the already relatively satisfactory number of top-level moderators, perhaps extending some moderation capabilities to a larger number is an idea to consider. Four forum-specific moderators per forum is about enough to catch most things in the bud. But for these more serious moderator powers we're considering, I think greater numbers required for votes is a fair balance. And so perhaps a system of "floating mods" - not attached to any specific forum, but able to chip in wherever a decision is made.

This is moving towards that ultimate goal of no moderators, all users with equal power, total democracy (and something I'm a little sceptical of). But a move in that direction isn't a bad idea. We've got a good idea what WE want to be able to do re: moderator power, to stop problems such as we've had, and to keep the forums in check like we do already. What we ought to consider is the moderation system, and consider it from the ground up - don't base the new version on what we have, necessarily. This works. But that doesn't mean something entirely different won't work better.

I think. I had a post for here all thought out, and it's been pretty much said already; so that's me ruminating. Hope it makes some sense.
 
 
Lilith Myth
00:46 / 28.07.02
I might not have posted enough to be volunteer (and I, too, hate to be rejected. In all circumstances. Even though I kinda like the pain)... but I am pretty much online all day, as I have no job and a cable modem. Buy soon, while stocks last...
 
 
YNH
06:06 / 29.07.02
Heck, I've been rejected plenty of times already, but I'll volunteer again. I've got constant access from home and work these days. I've never used the ignore button. And a good portion of the current mods know my real name and mailing address.

But whatever. I'm glad to see the old-timers finally come around to some concrete ideas about keeping the floors clean. They're good ideas, Tann; epecially with accountability and reversibility. I've stared in awe at Tom's patience, the accomodating nature of the community in general, and the public discussion of these decisions.

I figure if I write any more, y'all will think I'm being sarcastic.
 
 
Eloi Tsabaoth
09:24 / 29.07.02
>> Haven't come across that one for ages- I read 'Beyond Lies the Wub' in an anthology Peter Davidson put out when he was Dr Who. Deserved his own miniseries (the Wub, not Davidson.)<<

Hey, I read that compilation! It had the story about the alien arcade machine, and the one where the girl is possessed by an alien force. Good brain fuel for littluns..
 
 
Kit-Cat Club
11:16 / 29.07.02
I only moderate one forum at present, and am more than happy to be a minor mod on any others as required - but my ne time is currently very limited & so I may not be the best choice...
 
 
Grey Area
11:31 / 29.07.02
Likewise, even though I haven't been around for very long I'd like to volunteer some time to Barbelith. I'm at the computer for most of the day, every day, so if I can help out in any way, let me know.

Don't know if this has been mentioned before, but if new mods are taken onboard, it might be an idea to have a mod-training-day, run by the experienced mods, or set up a brief how-to document for distribution.
 
 
Jack The Bodiless
14:44 / 29.07.02
Moderating is a piece of piss. Such a course is, IMBlunderinglyOpaqueO, not at all necessary.

Even if no other moderators are given The Power (Centurions! Power X-Treme!), we'll need at least another one on The Conversation, and preferably someone with regular net access. I don't know about Lionheart, but Fly isn't around as much as he was, and I'm only on for a bit in the evenings. 'Delete Thread' requests can take too long to action...
 
 
grant
15:16 / 29.07.02
Honestly, that may seem necessary, but it isn't. Being a mod is NO BIG DEAL. Occasionally, you get a little message in your message space saying "Moderation Request" and then you see a thing at the bottom of the message that says "agree|disagree" and a little link to the post that's being changed, and you either agree to it or you don't. And that's IT.
You can move things, fix things, delete things (just like you can already do with all of your own posts & new topics), but it all gets checked by every other mod (just like it already is with changes you make to all your own posts and new topics).
In other words, you're already your own moderator.
It's no big deal.
 
 
We're The Great Old Ones Now
15:32 / 29.07.02
Hmmm. The thing is, the only way to reduce Tom's workload more significantly is to distribute power to others - and even then, he'd be, de facto, the final court of appeal. It's a hard life being a benevolent dictator.

Otherwise, I suppose, it would be a system of layered filters so that one could completely sever contact with an annoying person on an individual basis, almost never coming into contact with them even when they were quoted or similar. Not easy.

Finally, a closed shop with a more rigourous admissions proceedure...

It ain't simple.
 
 
Fist Fun
19:50 / 29.07.02
Yeah, modding is pretty straightforward. People make typos, mess up hyperlinks you press a button and sort it out.
 
  

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