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Y - The Last Man

 
  

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Situationism Made Queasy
19:58 / 23.07.02


Anyone else pick this up?

I sort of thought it might be very cool, with some y'know,
examination of gender and identity, or at the very least cool
post-apocalypticitude and sex-crazed hordes chasing men down.

Or whatever.

But really:
- Not all women are pro-choice? SHOCK!
- Not all women are pacificists? SHOCK!

Also, some things that bothered me:
- Both transliterating and translating the Hebrew while leaving the
"Arabic" a cypher humanizes the Israelis and strongly dehumanizes
those nameless faceless assassins....I can just see Edward Said
reading this comic and ranting on and on about Orientalism and such...
- Since clearly the writers know enough to actually translate Hebrew,
you'd think they also would know that Israel has pretty much always
had female combat soldiers integrated into regular units.

Okay, just some random thoughts.
 
 
Mr Tricks
21:49 / 23.07.02
well, it was better than I expected it to be...

nice "countdown" narrative...
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
15:17 / 24.07.02
Yes, quite liked it. Presumerably next month he gets drunk and starts looking to 'rebuild the human race'... Sorry. (/crass mode off)

But hopefully future issues will retain the slow and thoughtful element of this issue and not hive off into some bizarre action-adventure thing.
 
 
Hieronymus
19:39 / 16.05.03
Kind of a shame there's no other threads since #1 but I figured this was as good a place to put this as any:

Coming Attractions at Cinescape has learned that the hit science fiction comic book series Y: THE LAST MAN has been optioned by New Line Cinema as a feature film.

So... any dreams on who should play Ampersand?
 
 
Mr Tricks
20:17 / 16.05.03
any dreams on who should play Ampersand?

Yoda of course... Though I'm sure R2-D2 will insist on being the perfect actor for the role.

It's such a strange comic... I'm still reading it as I continually feel I have to find out what's next... Yet it's not as fully enjoyable as say 100 bullets et.al.
Yet everytime I come across the "latest issue" I instantly remeber how the last one left off & I just gotta find out.

WHAT's up with that?
 
 
FinderWolf
21:22 / 16.05.03
um, Jason Lee maybe?
 
 
Mr Tricks
22:01 / 16.05.03
um, Jason Lee maybe?

Well he did make a damn fine Comics salesman in JAY & SILENT BOB STRIKE BACK...
 
 
STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK
23:12 / 16.05.03
Hmmm. I'd read tons of stuff about how this was one of the greatest comics of recent years and stuff... so I went out and bought the first collection.

And it ain't all that.

I was expecting something seriously fucking wicked, and I got a cross between "I Am Legend" and "A Boy And His Dog", only without the vampires or the dog.

I'm gonna have to re-read it, but it does seem to be a couple of guys saying "hey, chicks! We're sensitive! We like women! Are you listening, chicks?"

I could be seriously wrong, though.
 
 
CameronStewart
01:24 / 17.05.03
>>>I'm gonna have to re-read it, but it does seem to be a couple of guys saying "hey, chicks! We're sensitive! We like women! Are you listening, chicks?"<<<

If by "couple of guys" you're referring to Vaughan and Guerra...only one of them is male.
 
 
Sunny
04:18 / 17.05.03
so what happened I read the first issue but didn't feel it was worth it to buy the rest. what happened? what killed all of the men? what's with that one lady and her baby(her baby was a clone of herself or something-I've forgotten)? can I get a synopsis up in this piece?
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
06:18 / 17.05.03
All the men died except Yorick and his monkey. They travel to Washington to find his Mum. Although he wants to go to Australia to find his fiancee she persuades him to go with Agent 355 to find some doctor who was doing advanced cloning research to find out why he and his monkey survived and if there's any way they can start breeding men from him so as to restart the human race. Along the way they tangle with a couple of Daughters of the Amazon who have become extreme male-haters intent on destroying anything they think reminds them of the patriarchy.

When they find the doctor, surprise surprise, it's the one from issue 1 who was having her cloned baby (which I presume was stillborn) and who thinks it was that cloning process that killed all the men, but on seeing Y and A now thinks it may be their fault. Before they can do anything her lab is destroyed by a small squad of Israeli troops who have come to the states, presumerably to capture or kill Yorick.

So they start trecking across the states in true hobo style to the doctors back-up lab. Unfortunately a misadventure sees them having to leap from a moving train, injuring Agent 355 and they end up in a small town where all the women were inmates of a nearby prison, let out by the remaining staff post-men death. They look after 355 and one of them starts to get friendly (not like that!) with Yorick, only for him to, for some reason, freak out when he finds out the truth about them.

Unfortunately at this point the Amazons turn up, and demand that Yorick be turned over so that the last man can be purged from the land. Their leader makes an incredibly long speech appealing to the women of the town. They're sticking by Yorick. There's a bit of a scuffle, in which Yorick's friend is killed and the leader of the Amazons, only he then finds that his sister, Hero, has also joined the Amazon's post the big death.

He holds a gun to her head and they argue, some weird thing about how she's smarter than him because she knows what the phrase 'crossing the Rubicon' means but he doesn't, despite the fact that he uses the phrase in it's proper sense, so ergo the Amazons are right and he isn't? I don't know. Anyway, he doesn't kill her and instead the women of the town lock them in the prison, saying they'll let them out when they think they've reformed. Yorick, the doctor and a recovered Agent 355 head on, but it turns out that Hero has her brothers escapology skills as she vomits up a lock-pick in her cell.

Else where the Israeli women are stealing a helicopter. And in space the crew of the last shuttle mission pre-big Death have run out of supplies and decide to head home, including among their number two men.

That's all that's happened so far. I'm interested to see where this is going, but it's lacking a certain little sparkle.
 
 
Hieronymus
00:16 / 19.02.04
So has anyone picked up the last two issues, 18 and 19? For months now it's kind of plateaued but these last two have blown the general predictability of the story off its hinges. I'm dying to discuss this someone else who's been reading them.
 
 
Krug
05:21 / 19.02.04
I am.

I think the book's has just gotten past fallout, hearing that Vaughan wants to do 100 issues, the dust seems to be settling in.

I'm liking the book merely as a concept driven serial drama and have gotten attached to the characters (DO THESE LOOK FAKE TO YOU SHITHEADS! was the best line in months), can't care much for Vaughan's writing or commentary too often and I hope he doesn't fuck it up.

More Later when I'm less tired.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
17:10 / 21.02.04
The latest issue was very strange. I'm hoping that we're going to find that Yorick's life was integral to the Culper Ring even without him being the last man, otherwise I'm concerned with how the woman (yet another evil dominatrix S&M bitch) knew that Y had been fiddled with by another boy or that he had issues with sex.
 
 
KwendeCentral
21:01 / 21.02.04
Yeah, KwendeCentral reads this book too.

It was weird, because I missed the first two issues, but read that combined 1&2 that they did. Picked up three and have lackadaisically been collecting this ever since. I just recently I got the urge to pick up what I'd been missing up to # 17. I'm hoping they'll come back to the precipice arrived @ in #15, but the lil' commentary on the role of art was nice. A bit oddly (poorly??) structured though, having that ninja just decide to bounce @ the last minute. What was up w/ that? She follows the monkey for days doing recon, and then just sez "Fuck it!"? It could just be an injection of a new stream that'll be expounded upon more later though. I'm staving off judgment on that one though. Things have generally been fairly followable and reasonable in the rest of the seires.

I enjoy this book in a very meandering way, just enjoying the story telling, with no real urgency. I've gotten involved with the world that Vaughn's created and every now and again I kinda itch to see "What's goin' on with that book anyways"-type-thing. The onther thing I like is that he's been able to keep the mysetery of why the men dies under wraps and yet keep the book pretty satisfying as a piece of seiral litterature. Shlacthrof really expressed quite a bit my sentiment when he said "I'm liking the book merely as a concept driven serial drama and have gotten attached to the characters ". That's pretty much it.

That having been said, it's very well written, full of allusion and interesting informational tidbits, and the world of the story is very immersive. It's very much one of those books you could get one of those Tim-Burton-"I-would-never-read-a-comic-book"-people to read so to very trustingly open them up to the potential of comic books as a legitimate literary form, before melting their faces with The Filth.

S'a good use of the medium.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
17:09 / 22.02.04
The last two issues have re-awoken my interest in this title, predictably - it's Y The Last Sub. I'm impressed (not joking or sarcastic here) by the extent to which Brian K Vaughan seems to have deliberately written himself into a corner: either a) Yorick is only pretending he now wants to shag 711, and next issue he will escape from her, she will be told off for being mad and wrong and Yorick will reassert that he only loves and wants to shag his girlfriend (in which case the BDSM community and others will roundly castigate Vaughan for giving us, as Flowers says, yet another kinky character who just happens to be evil and can't quite process the word "consensual"); OR b) Yorick will shag 711, and then thank her for helping him work through his many, many, many issues and work off that repressed sexual urge (in which case a slightly smaller section of the BDSM community will castigate Vaughan for being so irresponsible as to present a non-consensual scene in a positive light, whilst a bunch of his other readers will just be weirded out - Pat Califia might like it, though).

I'm hoping that we get some variant on b), because a) would just be so bad, and predictable. And the fact that b) is kinda insane and wrong would only make me happier, and I might even start buying this title regularly. Before now Vaughan has been writing Yorick as slightly boring Everyman, albeit one who ties himself up for kicks, and I'm pleased that it's now emerged that he's, shall we say, a little more complicated than that. So a) doesn't work because we'd more or less lose that element. Scenario b) would also provide the only plausible answer to Flowers' question about how 711 knows about Yorick's past: she's not blind. I'd say it's obvious that Yorick has issues with sex, for exactly the reasons 711 claims. He's the last man alive, his girlfriend is on the other side of a post-apocalyptical world, and he's still not slept with anyone else, although arguably he's been foiled by circumstances at least once (the ex-convict girl Hero deaded). I think it's just like a therapy session, and she may not have known exactly what his deal was, but knows enough to surmise that if you drug someone and poke around in the murkier bits of their head, fucked-up stuff is bound to emerge...
 
 
Queen Mob
17:38 / 22.02.04
man i really wish there was a comic store in Salzburg (thats in Austria, fucking bad country for comics)
because I really rella want to buy this comic book reagulary.

I am of the opinion that b.) will be the case, he will shag her. im quite curious if this will happen, but im going to find that out the nect time im in a big city with a comic store...argh!!!
I jsut wanted to mention that I enjoy the drawings very much, and it makes me optimistic that a woman mananged to do the drawings for a big comic-story. In my view her style is very untypical for a woman...anyway, very nice
 
 
FinderWolf
18:48 / 23.02.04
Yeah, this Y - THE LAST SUB (nice one) arc is interesting.

I think it'll be more like

b) He shags her because 1) she helps him work through all his repressed sexual issues, 2) he's damn horny and she's kinda hot, and maybe he finds the dominatrix thing kind of a turn-on, even though it took him a while to admit it, and 3) he feels the weight/duty of being the last man, he's gotta procreate sometime, and his girlfriend seems very far away and it's been a very long time since he's seen her. Maybe also 4) he's an emotional people-pleaser and he sees how happy it would make 711 to get to do this whole role-playing thing after so long, and that quality of wanting to appease her because he feels bad far her, plus 1), 2) and 3), make him just say "Fuck it, let's go."

But I agree that a) "No, I won't! I love my gf and I would never betray her, even though I may never see her again and God knows where the fuck she is!" would be cheesy, cliche and boring for this story.
 
 
Queen Mob
21:05 / 23.02.04
juhuu, when do we see the very true continuation?
daaamn i cant wait
 
 
Hieronymus
22:20 / 23.02.04
By the way, could any of the moderators change the thread title and the topic abstract to something easier to find and indicative of Y: The Last Man chatter? I had a bugger of a time digging this thread up.

My hope and vote is for option b, Fly. The whole 'save it for my betrothed' thing is wearing thin and after a revelation like this last two issues', it serves the character better for him to break loose of his own sexual terrors (though if I saw what he'd saw, I'd probably be terrified to touch a woman too).

Hopefully this'll be a catalyst for something.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
08:02 / 24.02.04
My only cause for pessimism is that there is an established narrative technique in serial comics whereby what appears to be the case on the big dramatic final page of issue #1 is turned on its head a few pages into issue #2...
 
 
Hieronymus
21:45 / 24.02.04
PopCultureShock has the preview for Y #20. And be warned, it's spoilery.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
09:50 / 25.02.04
OK, I'm sold. This isn't about sex after all, or rather not just about sex. This is a form of therapy, and probably much-needed therapy at that. I suspect Yorick is repressing something even more fucked-up than what we've seen so far - whether he thanks 711 afterwards for forcing him to confront his issues is kinda immaterial.
 
 
enochen23
14:52 / 25.02.04
This is one of the best comics out right now PERIOD.
 
 
Mr Tricks
17:25 / 05.03.04
wow...

So the latest issue of Y is out and ...well wow.
therapy developed by Ben Franklin and the Marque de Sade...

the return of minor charactors I barely remember from the 1st issue.

Sad and exciting... I wonder where this story will go next. This book has improved SOOOO drasticly over its less that 2 year run.
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
13:47 / 06.03.04
So I read the last issue, and it made me go out and buy the Cycles trade paperback too... Okay, I'm hooked. The earlier stuff reads a lot better once it's collected, and once you've read some of the more obviously smart later stuff which enables you to give Vaughan the benefit of the doubt. And despite the fact that Yorick seems to bring death to any woman who gets close to him, I liked the ending of #20 - on the one hand, it's tragic because 711 is a great character and never stopped having her own death wish despite curing Yorick of his; on the other hand, 711 gets the last laugh - she knows exactly what she's doing when she goes for the gun...
 
 
shrinky dinky
15:32 / 08.03.04
i'm very much enjoying y - last man, but godammit, i can rattle through an issue in less than five minutes! no smart quips about snail-like reading speed, please.

although the story telling is very elegant and witty, it's not exactly dense or meaty.

but i'm hooked too.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
16:49 / 08.03.04
Hmm, well, it tied up well and I like the fact it makes it plain there's weird shit afoot. I think we're supposed to be asking "hang on, where did she get her information?" and wonder about 355. After all, there's no way 355 could have got the information she had from Yorick talking in his sleep, so unless she wrote down about seeing elements of a pathology at work and 711 then drugged Yorick for the information she used in his intervention, it would seem Yorick's Mum is right to be concerned about the Culper Ring's motives with regard to the last man.
 
 
Hieronymus
17:49 / 28.04.04
PopCultureShock has a preview for issue 22.

So did I read the last issue right? Dr. Mann is dragging 355 and Yorick to California... to save her daughter? What was with that whole slip of the tongue?
 
 
Captain Zoom
15:49 / 08.05.04
I've been reading it since issue 1 and I really enjoy it. Neat little sci-fi title wrapped in a soap opera. Definitely a series where a full arc needs to be read rather than a single issue, but I just can't stop from reading each one when I pick them up. I'm not sure I like the current trend toward short arcs. Where did Vaughn annouce that he'd like to do 100 issues. While I like the idea of a finite series, 100 issues is somewhat daunting. I'm hoping that the story will support it. And that Yorick finally finding Beth will not be the big dramatic finale. The stuff with the Culper Ring will be interesting, though a part of me hopes that we never find out what's going on with them, that it becomes that weird "Twin Peak-y" background for the big story. When's the next issue out?
 
 
Regrettable Juvenilia
17:54 / 08.05.04
Now.

Vaughan recently stated that we're about a third of the way through the story, so it won't be 100 issues.
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
19:47 / 08.05.04
So he's aiming for a sixty issue thing like, more or less, Invisibles, Preacher and Transmet? What's the attraction there? Are typical Vertigo contracts for five years?
 
 
Krug
01:57 / 10.05.04
No I clearly remember him saying 100 issues and joking about how it'll be "cancelled" before that.

I'd rather it was as long as it needs to be with all stories that need to be told, told within, with no sequels or prequels or special oneshot things.

It's going to end happily with him finding his girlfriend and marrying her isn't it?

Seems that way.
 
 
SiliconDream
04:44 / 10.05.04
You know, I always wonder why there are so many more "last man on Earth" stories than "last woman on Earth" ones.

Is it just that the death of all women is just too horrible for male comic writers to contemplate?
 
 
Our Lady Has Left the Building
10:05 / 10.05.04
Well, wasn't there an old pre-crisis DC comic called something like 'Yamandi- The Last Boy on Earth' about some Tarzan-clone who was the last human alive or something? I always assumed this was a Vertigo riff on that idea...
 
  

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