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Begging as a Business

 
  

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Char Aina
15:46 / 07.05.03
i understand that.


what i object to is his aggresive approach, and his taking money from the pockets of the truly needy.


it also upsets me when CEOs take fat raises while profits and workers wages fall, along with other such evils.

would you tell me off for screaming when i stubbed my toe, because there were those whose legs were broken?
 
 
Quantum
15:51 / 07.05.03
Professional beggars make a lot of money, and give beggars a bad name (if that's possible) making life for the fucked up homeless trying to survive even harder.
I know a big issue seller who makes more than I do for an hours work a day, has a house and car, tried to sell my girlfriend our old stereo (burgled last summer while we were at glastonbury) and is offensive.
The reason he's rich is because he gave up Heroin, which was costing loads and fucking up his life, but continued in the same trade (salesmanlike selling of the big issue).
I don't begrudge him overly (except for trying to fence our stereo back to us, I never saw my minidisc player again, the only two things in the house worth over a fiver, bastard burglaing bastards.. sorry) because I can imagine if he wasn't selling the big issue he'd be back on the scag and burgling. But I don't think it's fair to say that all beggars have a terrible life and deserve our unconditional sympathy.
I recommend that people NEVER give money on the street- it encourages begging. Give the money to a homeless charity instead.

To make a sweeping generalisation, most beggars are drug addicts (usually crack, alcohol or heroin) and spend the money on their addiction, fuelling the situation that keeps them homeless and miserable and thus addicted. How many people do you know who used to be beggars, were given some money on the street and now are not beggars?
To escape the trap of homelessness and begging takes a massive effort and help, which giving a quid to the beggar will not help with.

So if you want to help a beggar, donate to Shelter, don't give them money.
 
 
Char Aina
16:43 / 07.05.03
i agree with the idea that small amounts of money dont do much to help the overall situation, but cash can ease the day to day pain. rehabilitation is not my aim when i give a quid, a sandwich or a bottle of irn bru to a homeless guy. i am trying to ease the burden of street life. if s/he spends my money on crack, that's his/er business.


i also donate to shelter, most recently all the stuff i no longer need, found due to my moving house. they are one of my favourite charities.
 
 
pomegranate
17:27 / 07.05.03
my least favorite thing is this: someone asks me for change as i go into, say, dunkin' donuts. so while i'm in there, i buy them a bagel or a sandwich or something. i bring it out to them, and they take it and look at me and say, "d'ya got any change?" fuck off, bum. go sell the sandwich to buy some liquor or whatever.
 
 
Ariadne
17:37 / 07.05.03
Well.... there's only so much food a person can eat in a day. So giving them a sandwich isn't always that helpful - if the last three people have also given them sandwiches/ bagels/ doughnuts and they actually need money to get into a hostel, buy shoes/ replace broken glasses (a guy near my work had to raise £10 to get a new pair after being beaten up, for example) or, hell, get drunk so they can manage to sleep then, you know, I'm happy to give them some money.
 
 
pomegranate
17:41 / 07.05.03
a good point. except sometimes they go so far as to ask for change for something to eat. then, grrr.

any of you ever get the honest bums? in chicago sometimes a guy will stand up on the train and say, "i'd like some change in order to go buy 40 ounces of malt liquor and a cigar. can anybody help me out?"
 
 
ONLY NICE THINGS
17:43 / 07.05.03
My boss rather kindly decided to pay my last cheque in bagels. I would have felt better if he had consulted me first, rather than just deluging me with several thousand dollars' worth of 6-for-a-buck poppyseed-laced toroids, but in the end I had to accept the wisdom of his premise. After all, I would only have spent it on beer.
 
 
Ganesh
17:43 / 07.05.03
To make a sweeping generalisation, most beggars are drug addicts...

That's certainly true, but the web of cause-and-effect can be difficult to elucidate. Drug and alcohol misuse, mental health problems and family break-up are all interconnected as major causes (and, perhaps, consequences) of homelessness/begging. Crisis collects some statistics here.

I don't think anyone's suggesting that beggars deserve unconditional sympathy; that would be as ridiculous as claiming all beggars are on professional money-machines. In principle, I agree wholeheartedly with avoiding 'street donations' and giving instead to the likes of Shelter. Problem is, what motivates me (and, I suspect, many others) toward charity is the warm, glowy 'Gawd bless yer' immediacy factor - which is somewhat absent from anonymised donations to largely faceless organisations.
 
 
Char Aina
19:41 / 07.05.03
an unemployed man, drinking beer?
my god, what kind of world is this?
 
  

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