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New X-Men #133

 
  

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Matthew Fluxington
15:26 / 21.10.02
Well, if he's going to come out with his first name, it might not be a bad idea to do the same for his surname. It's James Howlett, according to that awful Origin comic.

My votes: keep calling him Logan. Forever. Pretend this "James" stuff never happened.
 
 
The Falcon
17:26 / 21.10.02
Fantomex has the Weapon Plus files, and has - one would presume - read them.

Wolverine doesn't even know his real name, cause his healing factor [insert pseudo-science] with his brain, preventing him remembering lots of things.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
11:35 / 22.10.02
Yeah Duncan, I can see that being used an excuse, but in the excellent Weapon X storyline done about a decade ago he was referred to as Mister Logan. The Government seemed to think his name was Logan, those two boring people who ran Alpha Flight thought his name was Logan. Professor Xavier, the worlds mightiest telepath, never got a hint that his name wasn't Logan.

I agree with Flux, it's a bit unbelievable to believe he was involved with creating Tank Girl.
 
 
Spatula Clarke
11:57 / 22.10.02
Just to clarify the most important part of all this: it's pronounced "sh-eye-t", not "shit-ee".
 
 
some guy
12:57 / 22.10.02
Well, if he's going to come out with his first name, it might not be a bad idea to do the same for his surname. It's James Howlett, according to that awful Origin comic.

Except that Origin none-too-subtly suggests that James is the result of an affair/rape between his mother and papa Logan, rather than husband Howlett...
 
 
The Falcon
13:24 / 22.10.02
He thinks he is called Logan. I really don't have a problem with this.

I've got the entirety of Origin, which is okay, much like the rest of Jenkins stuff, until you realise he's only interested in character study, and not ACTION. Which does not a particularly good comic writer make. And Weapon X is great (not the new series with the same name, I think, though.)
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
14:21 / 22.10.02
I really like this issue too, to second the falcon’s comments. It DID feel like a Marvel Comic (at least to a Johnny Brit or Jimmy Jock, like me). Ethan’s art captured that strange feeling I would get when I was 5,6,7 and opening the infrequent Marvel comic I would get to occasionally supplement 2000AD. Weird character in sexy costumes appearing from nowhere, narratives left hanging in the air, threads being picked up from a few issues back and tailored into some melancholic space opera cliff hanger tear jerker thingie – just weird shit, yknow!?

I don’t have the ish in front of me cos I’m at work, so I’ll have to forget about some of the graphic details I was most pleased with.

Concerning the pacifist combat techniques used by Xavier:

Some are tired of this. Not me, not yet. I liked how it was used here. Kindov testing it in real world situations which everyone is familiar with – hijacks. This was Morrison saying; Look here’s how it might be practically applied in a contemporary situation: albeit poppy as fuck with added humour: I loved the ‘dirty bomb’ joke.

The intro was terrific – Wolverine slicing his way through stan land and bumping into……….fantomex! The’re mutual respect gave me a stiffie. Fantomex realy is a cool cucumber - obsessed with money and selling information – contemporary mutants r us! And Dust: yeah baby – there’s so much loaded metaphor in there I don’t know where to start. All in, v. excited bout this character.

Perverse tho I am, it is for purely honest reasons that I confess to finding this ish to be one of my faves yet. The momentum was right, the action to exposition ratio spot on n all and Jean’s hair was well, let’s just say, ‘I’m the lucky one.’

But yknow those damn Yankees really don’t have a fuckin clue sometimes do they?

Afghanistan is NOT the Middle East, as the editors wrongly informed their readers in the intro.

Sloppiness like that will bring us the end of the world.

Quite literally, mate.
 
 
The Falcon
23:15 / 22.10.02
Wolverine slicing his way through stan land and bumping into……….fantomex! Their mutual respect gave me a stiffie.

Good line, yawno! 'stan land' is Afghani-stan, right, not Stan Lee, right?

'Cos you called me the Falcon (I like this,) you get a pint (or nearest replacement) if I ever go to Glesga (yes?) again. I have friends there, you know.

Yeah, NXM #133 was jist whizz pop ENTO-TAINMENT! I like it. Back on track for the riot 'n shit. Sometimes this comic gets me so excited I could just pee.
 
 
at the scarwash
01:05 / 23.10.02
Ummm, I really enjoyed thhe whole Morrison-visits-Claremont-land thing. I've been rereading the entire New Mutants run over the past few days, and despite the fact that he's Claremont and everything, Claremont really sparkled throughout the Sienkiewicz run, especially, and it's good to see a little bit of homage to this. I just want all of the X-Corps types in the spangly costumes to trail thought bubbles around wherever they go, just like ol' Chris would do. "Hmmm... Professor X seems to think that I, James Proudstar, should be dead, which means that he doesn't remember the entire Crossover to the Secret Warring Broodqueen Does Dallas saga."

And as for the art in this issue, yes. Mr Van Sci, you will be missed in a way Lumpy-face Kordrey will not. You and Quitely made this title one of the few really visually interesting superpants books on the stands. I was especially impressed by the way you tattered Wolverine in the opening slaughter scene. And Dust already has hints of a personality, despite the fact that her vocabulary is extremely limited.
 
 
The Falcon
01:38 / 23.10.02
Yeah, and we could have lots of *s.

You would not believe the amount of online whining that people are doing about the lack of thought bubbles. I din't unnerstand, why is Cyclops not tormented for 15 panels by killing pig-face boy, how did Cassandra Nova's sentinels defeat the master of magnetism, where's Lilandra beeeeen for the last 7 months, doesn't Charles care? She's his wife, you know. Incidentally, the timescale of NXM could be within or less than 3 weeks - comic time. Just cause you're waiting a month, doesn't mean the story is actually cut up like that, that would be stupid - which, contra to what I've said above, is an argument for trades.

To the whiners I say, make it up in your own head. It's fun. And then award yourself a no-prize (a zen concept if ever I heard one/none.)

Ahhh, sorry, I've been thinking about the times I've had with certain members at HeroRealm.

*meaning, see every X-Men comic of the last 12 years, otherwise you're missing out kid! - Ed.
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
16:03 / 23.10.02
Duncan, you really need to talk to Ganesh about this 'hanging out on other boards with people who are idiots' thing the pair of you have going...
 
 
The Falcon
20:51 / 23.10.02
Maybe I will - I love the 'adventures in fundamentalsm' thread, and looked at the Christian BBS. 'Realmers', as we're called, are nowhere near as scary as that - and I do like going there. But I just wanted to talk about these things to people who could, like, 'understand where I'm coming from' a bit better. HeroRealm helps me understand the fanboy inside. Nearly 400 posts there!

And I won't hear a word against Alex Hamby, one of the site's co-ordinators; we have a laugh, and he seems a really good guy. As do a great many of the other posters. I know this is snobbish, but it's the ones who don't use capitals or punctuate who are the worst (like, fucking bad,) but there's only about 4 or 5 of them.

In fact, I think I'll just pop off there, now.
 
 
houdini
15:01 / 24.10.02

In the whining zone....

Didn't seem like NEW x-men to me. Last issue, Magneto speaking from Beyond The Grave. Phil Jimenez reimagining the X-Men as some kind of post-JLA Futurians with oxygen masks and wet dream bodies, 90 million ghosts reduced to a magnetic echo which will outlast the human race among the stars.... This is the kind of shit that nXm should thrive on.

Wolverine being bad, whatever happened to (mutant X+1), and retread versions of events from the Claremont-Byrne run in the '70's are NOT, IMHO. Sorry, but that's my feeling. I thought the whole Taliban-substitute-slave-traders, hijackers and New Afghani Mutant (TM) were all horribly topical, particuarly as they all appeared in one issue together.

Final point, and it's my biggest (sort of): GM has always ended stories with this "my psychic powers are more psychic than your psychic powers" stuff. Two volumes of Zenith, several Invisibles stories, plenty of Doom Patrol. It's just gotten a bit old for me. Whatever happened to the days when Jean would have to get naked-but-nippleless on the Astral Plane and grimace at the Shadow King till he fell over?
 
 
houdini
15:03 / 24.10.02

IMPORTANT PS: Mr Van Sciver is a perfect gent and also a fine artist. He made nXm as much his book as anyone else's in the time he was on it. I'll be sorry to see him go.
 
 
Ethan Van Sciver
19:58 / 24.10.02
Jenning:

Re: Dull people, of which 9 of 10 are categorized.

Yes, I believe that people who cannot be drawn in by comic books are dull. I'm sure they find eachother fascinating, but if we don't have comic books as common ground to start from, we probably won't be great friends. In general, most people don't have the chemical reaction that I had to comic books. I bought one with some birthday money, and couldn't stop thinking about them. I was 11. I bought comics with every dime I had, and lied about my age so that I could get a fast food job at age 13, in order to buy the expensive Claremont/Byrne/Cockrum Uncanny X-Men books.
It confuses some people who's agenda is to increase the sales of comic books by broadening them for a mainstream audience. It must be that comics are badly done, or silly, or too narrow in terms of content. So let's try different things. Hire better talent, go on television shows, advertise in different media...All of this is good for fans, but won't make a substantial difference in how well comics sell. Because everyone knows about comics, everyone LIKES comics, but few people are interested in making them a fixture in their lives. Even if they're really really good. Because television and movies are easier, and require almost no effort on the part of the entertainee.
These people I find to be dull. I know it's a sweeping, perhaps rude generalization, but it's my opinion, as stated. I wouldn't go to parties with non-comic book people if I didn't have to occasionally, and I can't imagine the drudgery of socializing daily with people who's 'mom threw away all of my old comics when I went away to college. I had some good ones, too. Batman. Bet they'd be worth something now, eh?'


Ethan V.
 
 
Ethan Van Sciver
20:02 / 24.10.02
One more thing, thanks to everyone who said nice things about my work on NXM 133. I'm proud that I pleased some of you.

Ethan V.
 
 
The Natural Way
08:26 / 25.10.02
Ethan...ummm...are you a 'lither now?

Yes you are! I know a 'lither when I see one!

Oh, and Haus might beat you up (but that's all part of yr initiation. Later we fuck like Hippogriffs...)
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
22:34 / 16.11.02
A thought:

Dust and Fantomex: two new characters created by morrison.

one sheathed in black, the other in white.

When we see them both together, they clutch eachother (well fanty's carrying her - so sort ov) - s'all a bit yin yang innit?

Also - they're kinda direct opposites:
male/female
material wealth/desert nomad muslim

think something's going down?
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
20:06 / 17.11.02
Well, I just hope she starts talking soon, I'd hate to think that Morrison can't actually write a Muslim character.
 
 
Bear
14:02 / 19.11.02
Well someone just went to Forbidden Planet and asked if I wanted anything and I asked him to pick up a New X Men and this is the one he got. I thought it looked great the story seemed to jump around a bit though but that's probably just me are they usually this short though - bear in mind people the last time I bought a comic was 2000 AD when some guy was pregnant and I must have been about 13. Like I said looks excellent though, made no sense but looked good
 
 
Matthew Fluxington
14:25 / 19.11.02
Wow. That's pretty cool, that you bought the worst issue of NXM to date, and still thought it was really good. Wait til you get yr hands on those Quitely issues...
 
  

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