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The Filth #2

 
  

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ONLY NICE THINGS
11:47 / 10.07.02
Word. This has Indigo Prime all over it. I knew Morrison would ultimately out himself as a drooling John Smith fanboy.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
14:34 / 17.07.02
So Spartacus Hughes does us all a favour and shed’s his self nice and early, and he becomes the reader – jus like John A Dreams. Thanks Sparty.

‘I’m Spartucus’, anyone?

Who’s Spartacus? Youse (Hughes) are.
 
 
The Planet of Sound
14:53 / 17.07.02
Which makes a lot of sense in Grant's original Glaswegianese; I think we'll be seeing a lot more of Spartacus. Has anyone spotted the structural resemblance of parts 1 + 2 to the opening credits of The Prisoner yet? The Gerry Anderson stuff's well documented...
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
17:32 / 17.07.02
Slade is also the name of a prison in England.

Slade (the character) as a (black iron)prison contruct for the individual.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
17:33 / 17.07.02
slade: come on feel(y) the noise!
 
 
Spatula Clarke
18:19 / 17.07.02
Have we said anything yet about Mother Dirt being a Filth-y version of Mother Earth? Cuz if not, we have now.
 
 
Big Talk
18:42 / 17.07.02

here's a good reference that's exceedingly poorly documented- I'm basing it on my bro's talk a couple of weeks ago + he read it in the french + I can't be arsed looking it up on the internet . . .

anyhoo, 1 of Sartre's big works- read: definitive of existentialism- is called 'the hand'- it concerns an activist who compromises his principles for the sake of expedience- only to be betrayed + ostracized by those who convinced him to do so in the first place.

there's a big speech in the middle of the play where the leader urges this activist to 'plunge his hand into the filth up to the elbow'- basically to quash his queasiness + decorum + get down to making a difference- to act as if the means justify the end (which they do sometimes, I reckon).

so look for The Hand to epmhasize action over meaning, to make pragmatic decisions in the face of horrifying situations (as Sir Miles does when confronted w/ the Outer Church), + to be counterposed to a stylish but ineffectual foe (until they gel into a nonduality, that is).

in grand terms, The Filth might be the existentialist rejoinder to The Invisibles' nihilism/pomo/futurism.
 
 
the Fool
23:29 / 17.07.02
Le Pen = GM's fictionsuit in the world of filth. The one writing and unwriting the events of the world. Covered up and insultated from the mess he's trying to make.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
07:06 / 18.07.02
good call!
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
07:15 / 18.07.02
we should really do a site for Filth like the bomb.

Codename:

Dirty Bomb
 
 
Jack Fear
12:49 / 18.07.02
Big Talk: the Sartre play is called "Dirty Hands" (Les Mains Sales), once produced in English under the title "Red Gloves."

Thoughts hither.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
13:22 / 18.07.02
Oi fearsome one: how come you not comment on ish 2?
 
 
Jack Fear
13:24 / 18.07.02
Haven't read it yet. I've been (a) traveling, and (b) skint, and so haven't been to a comics store in about six weeks. My retailer's holding all my stuff for me, though. I'll comment when I can.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
14:07 / 18.07.02
good. sein as you got off to such a blistering start on issue one.
 
 
NotBlue
19:06 / 19.07.02
Stop recycling, you were so good when you were "original".
 
 
Jack Fear
19:18 / 19.07.02
...sorry, what...?
 
 
YNH
23:27 / 19.07.02
Maybe that's it, though. There is a lot of recycling going on in text: identities, corpses, dialogue, images; in an authorial sense: hives, nanotech, secret agents, magic mirror, the gamut of old hat Morrison stuff; and popculturally: teletubbies, talking monkey.

Garbage trucks.
 
 
rizla mission
08:38 / 20.07.02
I'm still finding it quite difficult to get past the fact that The Filth is (deliberately) ugly and confusing .. it's creating a really heavy atmosphere of, I dunno, being trapped in the Black Iron Prison part of the gnostic scheme.
Whereas in previous Morrison comics, the characters have largely been free to run around doing what they please and saving the day and so on, here it's like they're all confused and/or apathetic, wandering about this world they don't like much, their actions (which seem destructive, non-sensical and massively un-heroic) being determined for them by weird overmasters, whose aims and methods we're still wholly in the dark about.. despite the Gerry Anderson decor, the Hand seems more like a big, inefficient bureaucracy than a Thunderbirds-esque worldsaving outfit.. Slade is terminally confused, Nil just seems bored, those blokes from the fist were pretty miserable - the only one who seemed to be getting any fun out of his work was the chimp.. (oddly, I get a similar feeling, only less so, from New X Men)

..by killing Spartacus Hughes (neat point whoever pointed out the "I am Spartacus!" thing), it seems they're almost punishing his lack of obedience and assertion of free will - which Slade emulates when he quits in the final panel..
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
21:02 / 20.07.02
Your description is close to "real life", Rizla. As if Dane had never joined the Invisibles and were re-recruited by the Outter Church. He's immersed on spy-reality(-spy).

And who's not to say Slade is to be hunted down and/or taken into some sort of Village by #3...


fenris23:
//Did this strike anyone of Total Recall?//

More like MAN IN BLACK II.

Haven't read FILTH yet because my importer screwed me up by missing #1 (#2 looks amazing) but I may be getting the first chapter this week soonish.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
14:55 / 22.07.02
ANYONE SEEN THIS STUFF?

LOOKS FANTASTIC
 
 
The Natural Way
15:07 / 22.07.02
Yeah, I think I posted a link to 4's cover a little while ago.

And the trailer too, come to think of it.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
17:22 / 22.07.02
no, its not that link - I remember your no.4 link.

its not a trailer either.

Its some kind of weird ace garp/impossible man bloke and a strange flying suit.

amazing!

(hit me if I'm being dumb here)
 
 
grant
20:44 / 22.07.02
2 observations:
The Crack is pretty obviously the same "place" that exists in Planetary and Authority and, for that matter, Marvel Boy. Warren Ellis' snowflake meta-dimension. They're riffing off (or ripping off) each other.

There was an old science fiction story about a "bonsai planet" - an intelligence researcher decides to create a pocket world by gradually visiting microbes with all sorts of nasty stuff to force them to evolve quickly. Eventually, they start communicating with the scientist. I can't remember what happens at the end, or even who wrote the damn thing. I seem to recall that either they get out or the scientist goes in after the experiment is "terminated." Themes of infection by an intelligent entity.

The whole Soon-on-mini-planet scene is very gnostic, and easily cross-refs with the shining God-stuff in "Black Science" run of Invisibles.
 
 
The Natural Way
08:17 / 23.07.02
Are you talking about the concept art, yawn?

Mmmmm...seen it before, but nice. Like the Thomas-the-tank-engine style vehicle.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
09:57 / 23.07.02
runce - yeah, bit slow last few days - am excited about things - hence a little retarded.
 
 
XXII:X:II = XXX
19:52 / 23.07.02
Analysis of Slade's name in the light of the "I am Spartacus" line of reasoning:

Thinking that the name "Ned" might ref "Ned Seagoon," Harry Secombe's alter ego in The Goon Show. Harry didn't have nearly the flair for altering his voice in the way Spike Milligan and Peter Sellers did, so usually he'd just do Ned and maybe an odd incidental character each episode. Thus, all around him were these multiple characters that were all extensions of one source, whereas Ned is a tubby "Charlie" who is usually swept up in events, never seems to be able to enjoy himself properly, is taken advantage of, never gets the girl and has tolerate the company of complete lunatics and idiots. The only reason they keep Ned around is that he "makes them laugh," though whether it's at him or with him is uncertain.

Hmmm, at the rate at which Britpop is getting filtered in, I wonder how soon we'll see Dr. Who, Red Dwarf, Spitting Image, et al.

Anyone notice that the blonde from #1 is wearing the type of sunglasses KM would favor? She might be his avatar in this iteration, trying to alert Feely/Slade to a third option by warning him against the Hand AND the Filth.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
08:27 / 24.07.02
Ned might be a reference to the typical street thug found in Scotland, particularly Glasgow.

An english translation might be 'scally' - basically neds are the 'scum of the earth', what with their anti-social behaviour, love of sex, drugs and violence and general nastiness. See Irvine Welsh for an East coast perspective. I reckon Morrison has mined the filth of Glasgow to bolster his pyschedelic visions in this book.

Neds were originally called Neds at the beginning of the 20th C, by the Glasgow Police. It's beleived to have originated as a result of the infamy of Ned Kelly - the famous Austrailian 'rebel' of the outback -who regularly 'noised up' the coppers.

Oh, and as for Nil - she seemms reminiscent of a 'non' from the invisibles - wodgerekon?
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
09:22 / 24.07.02
Yeah – but fantomas, wears all black, and a mask covering his eye-area, wheras fantomex wears all white and has his eyes uncovered – a kind of inverse fantomas.

I wonder what it can mean.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
09:37 / 24.07.02
i'm sorry

let me explain:

hate job, hate boss, panicked, posted in wrong thread.
 
 
XXII:X:II = XXX
01:28 / 25.07.02
Could be both the original Scottish implication AND a ref to the Goons. Secombe is Welsh, which I s'pose is Scot-Lite. (I dunno, I'm just a dumb Yank over here, don't mind me none.)

As for the last name "Slade," could be "slate" with a bit of a hairlip. As in "blank," as in "tabula rasa." Maybe at the start of #3 LePen writes on him! Or maybe she already did. Slate is also a kind of rock, which could account for Slade's thickheadedness to adapt back to his pre-Feely personality, or that element within dirt (ie, Mother) that worms don't digest but sometimes swallow to aide in digestion. Other interpretations for "stone" or "rock" within this context I'm overlooking?

Any symbolism we can take from the colors in their uniforms or wigs? They seem to be standard issue for the men, but the women's seem to vary.
 
 
H3ct0r L1m4
17:19 / 25.07.02
Bonsai planet metaphor zeitgeist. Locker-"planet" in MAN IN BLACK II. Damn.
 
 
kid coagulant
18:43 / 26.07.02
The cover and info for issue 5 are up here:

go to the october releases and scroll down...

'In "Pornomancer," we meet Anders Klimaaks, a Dutch porn star with a unique talent. Currently wanted by both the LAPD and Hand agent Jenesis Jones, Klimaaks is the unwitting key player in adult film mogul Tex Porneau¹s horrific plan to create a new kind of hardcore for a new world. Will the Hand have the spunk to handle this obscene threat, or could this be the money shot to end them all?'

Nice looking cover again, as usual. Has anyone seen the cover to #3?
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
07:32 / 29.07.02
Bonsai planet looks like the 'earth-apple' which is handed by the colonel to Satan in Dulce, Invisibles
 
 
No star here laces
09:29 / 29.07.02
Interesting, I think, that so far the Hand has been portrayed as eliminating genuine threats to life and liberty. Slade is quitting even though he hasn't been sent on any missions to lobotomise liverpudlian teenagers or quash dissidents.

If the Hand is supposed to be analogous to the forces of order in the Invisibles (which I'm not sure it is) it is a far more sympathetic portrayal. There is evidence of creativity, artistry and humanity in its operations, none of which could really be said of the Archons. Furthermore, although our immediate assumption is that they must be a bunch of cunts because, well, they're policemen, Grant hasn't chosen to show us any sign that they actually are doing anything 'wrong'.

Also interesting in terms of the humility of Le Pen - "The hand that wipes the arse of the world", not an obvious interpretation of a policeman's job, at least not one you'd expect to hear from a chief constable.
 
 
The Natural Way
12:09 / 29.07.02
I think you should reread issues 1 and 2, Lyra. I'm lazy and can't be bothered to look any of it up, but there are LOTS of instances of Filth operations/philosophy closely resembling Myrmidon. They're clearly all about control - maintaining STATUS Q - which is pretty much on a par with the archonic "everything is in order" thing. The reason they don't look like cunts? Well, this time - post Big Brother - we're all policeman....

Grant is clearly on record explaining that, with the Filth, he really wanted to explore some of the nigredic energies summoned up at the end of vol 3 - pooey earth guff/matter...the Filth completely.
 
  

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