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The Filth #2

 
  

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quinine92001
21:26 / 26.06.02
the game's afoot
rock-n-roll
 
 
The Natural Way
11:28 / 28.06.02
Aaah, you got there before I did.

I wonder what'll happen when Slade and Spector finally make their appointment w/ man green/man yellow?
 
 
Stone Mirror
23:24 / 28.06.02
Huh. I was told that they had only just gotten their preview copies (i.e. no sharing) and that #2 would be in "officially" next Wednesday...
 
 
The Natural Way
18:16 / 30.06.02
Follow the link above, read the preview panels and you'll see what I'm talking about. Can't figure out why you didn't just do that anyway.

Sound grumpy, but more confused than anything else.
 
 
Stone Mirror
23:36 / 30.06.02
Oh, I looked at the preview pages all right. I'd just gotten the impression (erroneously, it seems) that you'd actually gotten hold of a copy.

Nevermind.
 
 
The Natural Way
11:30 / 01.07.02
I wish.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
13:23 / 03.07.02
quickie - wodger think: man green/man yellow = vacillating interface between sick (yellow/jaundiced) and healthy (green/life) universes?
 
 
The Natural Way
11:05 / 04.07.02
Mmmm. Could be.

I-Life rule.
 
 
The Natural Way
11:38 / 04.07.02
So, "The Filth" - title of organization containing The Hand, The Frequency, The Fist, The Finger & The Horns: Action, communication, conflict, sex and death? Whatever...something like that.
 
 
Stone Mirror
13:47 / 04.07.02
Something like that...

The Finger: the Venereal Arts
The Fist: the Martial Arts
The Frequency; the Mercurial Arts
The Horns: ???

Planetary influences...

I think "The Filth" is synonymous with "The Hand". A nickname.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
14:06 / 04.07.02
this title is going to be a lot of fun - I like monthly fun.

I used to do weekly fun with 2000ad (yaers a fuckin go) but this'll do.

ps - marvel boy seems more remarkable than ever now. A real download of future pop spliced with fine art and marvel magic.

god it was good.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
14:09 / 04.07.02
3 times a lady
 
 
The Natural Way
14:25 / 04.07.02
I reread Marvel Boy recently and it's now one of my favourite things ever. Just brilliant. Aaah, those fucking Astro-Gods......'sink suits'....mmmmmm....

Yes, Stone, I think yr right, but there was mention of 'The Palm'. Superb.
 
 
Captain Zoom
15:40 / 04.07.02
I think this and the previous issue would have worked far better as a double-sized first issue. I don't know if there's some esoteric reason for 13 issues, but people I forced the first issue on complained that not a lot seemed to happen, or rather that there were a lot of plots started but without a direction. If the first 2 had been a single issue I think it would have worked far better to draw people in, especially with Slade's proclamation at the end. The story seems to have slipped into gear and the stuff set up in the first issue seems only to have been a tool to force Slade's hand. Of course, it's not going to be all as cut and dried as that, is it? But to bring in new readers, I would have packaged one and two together.

Zoom.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
08:42 / 05.07.02
its realy straight in there innit:

we're the gamers ready to don our spartacus hughes fiction suits just like we did with jonny dreams without even knowing it at the time.

so hughes crosses over to the other side (does that make him 'good' - I know, silly question) just like john dreams does and just like the white suited bastard he's better than his rival (slade, king mob, grant) - public school c^~t.

The fight above the bonsai planet is the shiniest poppy-ist intepretation of demiurgic space opera I've seen on this parallel for quite some time no?

Mason as a fat ugly bastard doing his pissing trick again - Filth (just now anyway) feels almost like a Invisibles for Dummies - kind of explaining, or making clear at least, many of the themes and issues from its sister comic.

The obsession with control and order as opposed to the apparent anarchy of the invisibles world view clearly expressed in the filth this month. man, 'they' are so shit.

just to show you how much of a tosser I am, I read this comic forwards once, then backwards - grant's 'between panels' writing style has really developed into something very very cool - like a website or summat - non-linear is too dimensional a term to even describe its fluidity.

The I-life stuff is incredible - their design - teletubbies, pikmin, monsters inc - pop cultural shmuff rising and condensing in Morrisons nervous system and then being spat out into his one and only story, the one and only story

our obsession with duality.

runce and fear please.
 
 
Sax
08:42 / 05.07.02
The I-Life people are Teletubbies. Fantastic.
 
 
The Natural Way
10:51 / 05.07.02
Y'know, this week's Filth put me in mind of that oft wheeled out Morrison-gripe: "He said he'd explain what happens when we die, but he didn't! Waaaaah!" Right from the start of the Filth, to save/add to any confusion later he states explicitly that we're watching Feely's soul being consumed by the pretty Bardo-lights. Which is nice. Sometimes spoon-feeding is in order.

"The Crack": Oh yes. Naughty rude and earthy-other all at the same time. Really Lynchian, in that it reminds me of an essay I wrote 'bout 'Blue Velvet' entitled "Life in the Cracks" - those zones beneath the surface where the idic mad-things roil and blister. The fissures in the paving where the bugs squirm and the filth congeals. And I repeat: "Earthy" - this is real ground-beneath-our -eet stuff. Firmament. As Grant stated in the CrackComics letter column, this book's concerned with "Transcendental Materialty". Everything is Status Q - as it is - everything preordained (thankyou Mr. Hughes), surveillance is everywhere (Cheers, Ms. La Pen), and there can be no deviation. Reality is monolithic and set around us like concrete.

"But God's there, too, in the rock! He's in the rock!"
 
 
kid coagulant
14:31 / 05.07.02
yeah, all of that 'social hygiene' , 'status: q[uo]' stuff...

- 'The Crack' / 'The Frequency' = Invisible College?
- the Hand/i-life = cleaners/healers. Making fiends w/ the disease. Morrison seems to be giving us a lot of healers these days; all the stuff here + Xorn in new x men...

- the mercurial arts (the hand)
- intelligence (the palm)
- super-communications (3 fingers)
- martial arts (the fist)
- venereal arts (the finger)
- the science gestapo (the horns)

- nice of morrison to give us all special secret invsible hand signals.

- what's up w. the Nazi dolphins?

- notice Slade's hand in the last panel on pg 14. He's making a 'palm' hand signal.

- more of that timeshift stuff from pg 1 of #1 on pg 15 pnl 1.

- 'are these words from the future?' = that whole 'man green/man yellow' alert on pg 4. We'll be hearing that again.

- bio-ship = fictionsuit? That Sharon Jones character is the most interesting one to me so far ('push...push...crackle water to western stabilizer boom...', 'we-am'). Rebis-esque?

- caught on tape!
- Slade on pg 7
- Dr Soon and i-life on pg 10 and 11
- torching of the bonsai planet on pg 21

- la pen = mother dirt?

- hand = hand of glory?
 
 
invisible_al
15:18 / 05.07.02
I-Life = teletubbies, yeah I loved this. They seem so cute and helpless at the same time as having to devour their creator for food. Then they take over the drone woman. Eeep in a word, wonder if she survived when the hand burned the bonsai planet?
 
 
The Natural Way
21:23 / 05.07.02
The mercurial arts are super-communication ("the frequency"). Stop confusing yrself. Mercury was the messenger of the gods.
 
 
Murray Hamhandler
21:26 / 05.07.02
Did this issue make any one else feel slightly uneasy? Was that the intent? Everything just seemed a little off-kilter. I felt almost in the same boat as the main character (I'd get up to check his name, but there's a cat in my lap), where I was being strung from one bizarre circumstance to another and never had any solid ground to plant my feet on. But I liked it.
 
 
rexpop
04:15 / 06.07.02
I suspect that like Fantastic Four: 1234 is is one that will read better in the collected edition.

Still so far its all pretty good stuff.
 
 
Ellis says:
11:38 / 06.07.02
I love the concept of a Bonsai Planet. Fuck genius.

I want one.
 
 
Ellis says:
11:41 / 06.07.02
That was supposed to say "Fucking genius".
 
 
The Natural Way
14:06 / 06.07.02
So, here it is:

The Frequency: Mercury (Hermes)
The Fist: Mars (Ares)
The Finger: Venus (Aphrodite)
The Horns: Saturn (carny remember)
The Palm: Sol (Apollo)?

Silly amount of nasty synchronicities accreting around this comic and myself.
 
 
glassonion
14:12 / 06.07.02
'the smartest man on barbelith' is quite a fan of early 90s techno y'know. the nazi dolphins are the heresy of the new age: 'if dolphins had as much intelligence as cats / and stopped trying to rescue sinking pieces of wood'. the secret department of the filth can i suspect be found on the cover of invisibles v3/4. judging from the 'mobilise' panel, this is not the first time slade and nil have had to deal with this before. anyone can be spartacus hughes, but really most people are greg feely as he lay dying. does anyone else just fucking love the art on this comic? makes so much sense - we always said that he could only draw ugly people - let's have a comic full of them! i went and bought ministry of space because of the last issue, and i fucking love the art in that as well. weston seems to be having a killing time again at last. sorry for the 'ares' 'wases' 'ises' etc. bit hard to talk aboput body-swapping and ego-hopping without them.
 
 
Monkey Boy Z
18:12 / 06.07.02
I imagine the different types of agents roughly correspond to the different elemental bla bla found in invis as well. Ned, as palm, is leader, dmitri is fist, miami is finger. Grant's teams usually break down into groups of three or five, so I imagine Spector and perhaps... a freshly imprinted Sparticus (?) will fill out the ranks of this team/cell/whatever.

I love those big pages with the upside down city and all the trash and the dolphins. The feeling reading them reminded me of the full page shots over in Transmet, especially in the new scum. Excellent Beats, like the weird, off-color shots from v for vendetta which were left out of the trade paperback and man, did that change the feel, tone, and pacing of that story.

I think that three finger one is "the crack," yeah? Not the frequency. And is that creepy cypherchick La Pen or Mother Dirt?

I think Mason-- I mean, Simon's disintegration was saying that no, this is not just the invisibles again. I think Grant is really trying to tell another story, not just the same old 4-dimensional checkers time to grow up space worm gnostic stickyness philosopher's model of reality thing... but, we'll see.

And for the record, I always thought Weston's Robin was the prettiest.

z
 
 
Our Lady of The Two Towers
18:50 / 06.07.02
I'm sure that treatment is available for that.
 
 
Wyrd
01:19 / 07.07.02
Hmmm, I'm hoping things will improve with issue 3. I only read the second issue today and I'm somewhat disappointed. I think there were too much expository downloads of information to the reader, and not well delivered. The device of Slade being the bumbling idiot so the reader can discover what's going on is pretty boring.

I just hope there's more to the Spartacus Hughes story - such as why he went nuts, and why he wasn't infected with I-Life? Mother Dirt says that he was "contaminated", but not by what. Did anyone else get the sense that somehow Hughes did what he did on purpose to kill Simon? And surely Slade should be infected after rolling around on the bonsai planet for a while.

Well, I'll give Morrison the benefit of the doubt for the moment. Roll on the next couple of issues I say.
 
 
yawn - thing's buddy
08:55 / 07.07.02
monkey - I'm not saying that this is the invisibles directors cut or a rehash or anything like that. The important issue for me, is this obsession with duality and the attempt to dissolve the threshold between opposing viewpoints. Its a theme that's been central to most of Morrion's stories, whether the boundary is between reality/fiction, chaos/order, those with beards/those without.

Filth has been fast forwarding through many of the concepts and imagery explored in Invisibles - I'll try and understand why as the story progresses - but the details concerning dualistic nature are plain to see - right down to the smallest scale when we see I-lifers 'befriending' cancer cells ie. getting someone/thing on your side (otherwise known as threshold busting).

so....
 
 
The Natural Way
14:29 / 07.07.02
No...look...argh...getting frustrated here.

Monkey: "The Crack" is where the Filth have their headquarters. Slade isn't asking what dept. he's in - he's asking where exactly he is. Y'know, "under the surface of everything you ever knew"....the microscopic world of control - this is the Outer Church via the super context, remember?

1 finger: Unity. The divine fuck.

2 Fingers: Division. Self and OTHER.

3 Fingers: (basic numerology this) next stage of unity after 1. Point A, point B and the energy that moves between them - communication

Not to mention the RKO style signals emanating from the hand itself.

Not sure, but have a feeling the hand symbol historically represents Hermes or Mercury.

Mother Dirt is speaking, not "poor autistic La Pen" (another Mercurial symbol - Mecury/Hermes being the scribe/messenger of the Gods). Christ, it's obvious the sector Nil and Slade are in is all about the (evil)divine word....

And, of course, Mother Dirt herself say's "here, in the frequency agents led by La Pen specialize in the Mercurial arts"....and later, if yr paying attention, Nil and Slade leave the area through an arch-way, above which is the three fingered hand-symbol.

Oh, and the three fingered hand-symbol is hanging about even before Mother Dirt breaks it down, so to speak.

Kay?

Phew.

I just want this stuff straight so that, if people want to talk about the symbolic landscape of the book, they can do so without getting all muddled. And because I'm anal.

I have a feeling that the Filth could be going with a gnostic model (to some extent it alreay is), but, right now, Grant's interested in us getting to know the demi-urge - to chat, to, as nice Mr. yawn points out, "make friends".
 
 
DaveBCooper
10:23 / 08.07.02
Monkey, I think the full-page pictures in V for Vendetta were only created to fill out the pages from the original Warrior episodes to make it fit a standard 32-page US comic, and so when they TPB-ed the story, they were removed.
But I’ve been wrong before. And I digress.

Liking the Filth so far, though as I was falling asleep reading #2 last night, I don’t know how much of the oddness and time-jumps in it was the creators’ work, and how much was my brain in meltdown. But it reads well, and I think the solid nature of Weston’s art works well here.

DBC
 
 
Spatula Clarke
19:31 / 08.07.02
Le Pen seems to have the ability to see Slade in much the same way that the Devil could see Jack in Invisibles (page 7).

I'm getting slight Indigo Prime vibes from this so far.
 
 
Nietzsch E. Coyote
04:43 / 10.07.02
Did this strike anyone of Total Recall?

A regular guy suddenly discovers he is a spy dude when they take off his implanted memories. He goes on a mission and he doesn't like who he is supposed to be, so he fights against his allies.

I think there is no Slade, Greg Feely is Real.
Any one can be Spartacus Hughes, anyone can be Slade.
 
 
The Natural Way
07:40 / 10.07.02
I think yr too hung up on "real".
 
  

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