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Cattle Mutilations (South America)

 
  

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Sebastian
18:34 / 04.07.02
Okay, the story thus far...

A curious and very general thing that I noticed yesterday is that the organs excissed do share some strictly histological traits, mainly being that the mucuos tissue of the anus, breasts and tongue have plenty of secretory glands (if I remember correctly from school) and the salivary glands are secretory organs themselves. All these are exocrine glands (exo- becuase they release their secretions to the exterior) and even the eye (also excisssed in some cases) has exocrine glands represented by the lachrymal and the michroscopic ones in the conjunctival mucosa. I do not have much to add, because the components of the secretions vary from gland to gland, and it is also quite self-evident because all of the organs excissed are "external", as far as we know, except for the parotid and the lachrymals. And I am thinking of this tissues in humans, I do not know anything about them in cows, though I assume they are quite similar.

It happens that a veterinarian was commenting yesterday that not the whole breasts were removed from a specimen, but just and only the nipples(???) of the cow, leaving a cute scar and the whole rest of the mammary gland intact. The nipple has a distinct histological feature, with also many exocrine gands.

For those heavily interesed in histology imaging you may have a look at The parotid salivary gland, von Ebner's glands in the tongue, the epithelium of the anus,the vagina, and a mammary gland, all of them human, of course.
 
 
grant
13:46 / 05.07.02
That's an interesting link - I hadn't come across that before.
Exocrine glands. Hmm.
 
 
Sebastian
16:21 / 08.07.02
The story thus far...

I have not been looking for more reports on the subject these days, so to ponder and make a tentative turn around and check what input generates from the board, even if its more reports of weirdness.

Whatever the case happens to be for "this", we have at least one consistent pattern that makes only the empirical, consensual phenomena, which we all and the media agree to denominate as "cattle mutilation". Point is, of course, that this phenomenic pattern fails to fit within any other "super" pattern that would make it fall in the whole BIG ongoing patterning of the same, one world we are supposed to agree we live in. Borrowing from the Robert Anton Wilson's metaphor, while digging the great collective reality tunnel, this definitely seems something undugged that would suggest we have been digging without knowing exactly where and how, and that we do not have total control on the digging of the tunnel as we are taught we have.

I mean, does it look like a plague or an epidemy? Maybe cryptozoology has still to discover, or start to glimpse, some specie or creature responsible, probably verging in the microscopic universe of invisible germs, bacteria, parasites, who knows, but if we want to blame it on an "epidemy" someone should start looking for the adequate "germ" or "animal" at least, and for the seasonal pattern.

A covered scientific project? Well, no matter how much money is spent, the phenomenon gathers something of an intended artificiality which so far appears to lack the human "project" aspect of a beginning, an end, and an objective, mixed a "failed" epidemic pattern as said in the point above. I mean, there is as much "human" doing in this as there is in a tilted computer repeating a sense-less loop (a loop that within the computer is sustained by its own compunding logic).

A harvesting of whatever may be in those organs? Okay, but why the secrecy, and who? This pattern is of course directly taken from sci-fi lore, where planet Earth has vital goodies for some chaps living across the galaxy, and we simply didn't know it. Point is that sci-fi is sci-fi, and those texts are in the "ficiton" section of bookstores and not under the "documentary", or in a still unexistent "other worlds" section, no matter how new agey the book store is.

Will next generations solve the mistery? I do not think that whomever solves this will be part of a next generation as we understand today a next generation is. This does not mean it will not be one of our biologival grandsons who solves this stuff, but if one happens to be, it is likely that history as we know it will hardly have any place in the world.

Does this stand for something? What does it mean? What you like it to stand for. Full free will is the rule regarding the meaning of these phenomena. If it works for you, fine. It doesn't seem to be working for governments and cattle owners, whatever they say it does "mean". I would like to check if the phenomena is increasing in regards to past decades, which would mean a gathering of turbulence threatening many basics of our newtonian, scientific, linear "mind". I can only retort back to the reality tunnel metaphor. We are not just digging one collective reality tunnel out of infinte ones, it also appears the digging is not entirely done by the guys who claimed and continue to claim responsibility to be digging it.
 
 
grant
19:43 / 08.07.02
Here's one explanation forwarded into the box today: INVISIBLE RAYS caused by WEIRD WEATHER.

An article from El Cordillerano quotes a man named Carlos Horacio Arriagada, a businessman who claims to have figured it all out:

Arriagada considers that we must "first see the characteristics of the area where the phenomenon is taking place. If analyzed, we would find that in Argentina we have two very definite air currents: one from the Pacific, which is cold, and another from the Atlantic, which enters through southern Brazil and is warm. When these two currents meet, the produce an atmospheric differential."

The place where both currents meet presents another peculiarity: "Uruguay, Cordoba, Santa Fe, Buenos Aires and la Pampa would be the epicenter. It would be necessary to make an in-depth study, but there is a high density of animals there. The phenomenon is also registered in Rio Negro and Chubut, tehrefore making it possible to draw a line through where these phenomena are taking place....we appear to be discussing a natural environmental problem, adn when something is natural, its form is neither clear nor precise. Its manifestations follow a pattern, but it is neither continuous nor perfectly deviant. There's been much talk about aliens, but things made with large technology are always similar and punctual. Natural causes have an evolving shape within a pattern which at first is hard to find. That's what occurs in this case."

According to his theory "the clash of currents may have produced a high ionization of space, in other words, a release of electrons which could be positive or negative. The other day I was listening to a lady from Saliquello who had seen considerable reddish light in the sky. The atmosphere is made up by large quantities of nitrogen, which is more or less the major component. In the light of ionization or the clash with very fast electrons, nitrogen turns reddish."

This would explain the apparent UFO sightings. "Green balls can also be seen, which are oxygen. The molecular gas of oxygen, when faced by an accelerated force of free electrons, emits green light. In other words, that it is possible to se reddish sky or green lights, which means nothing abnormal. The blue lights above may correspond to electromagnetic charges in motion, because there is a considerable charge and current throughout the area."

To Arriagada, the force responsible for the mystery is imperceptible to the human eye: "There is a clear physical phenomenon: the atmosphere is producing a large amount of electron-free particles. To me, the death of these animals, which all have hooves, is produced by rays as part of a natural process. This would be because the electrons are placed before the visible spectrum."


All the animals have hooves, see, which mean they're not grounded like people or cats or dogs would be.

Weird weather, I might add, is one of my favorite explanations for UFOs - they're actually bouncing balls of lightning-generated plasma, only appearing to be intelligently created craft.

I can imagine a time when cattle mutilations are thoroughly explained, but I don't think it will happen anytime soon. Unless somebody invests a *lot* of time into watching cows covertly, and one of the watched animals gets mutilated while under observation.

What does it stand for?

Hmm. Meaty version of crop circles, I suppose. The mysteries of the natural order that sustains us - the weird things BEHIND the mundane stuff that we city-dwellers are all-too divorced from. Maybe.
 
 
MJ-12
16:36 / 09.07.02
It seems fairly obvious that these are merely payback killings for the Martians who have been crushed by our space probes. If they ever figure out that it's humans instead of cows sending them up, things are going to turn real ugly.
 
 
grant
16:06 / 10.07.02


Note the very precise incisions around the jaw.


SOURCE: IFOR (Investigadores del Fenomeno Ovni de Rufino)
DATE: 07-07-02


ANIMAL MUTILATIONS NEAR RUFINO: THE COLONIA TRES ARBOLES CASE

**A mutilated calf was found on a field located 10km SE of Rufino, owned by one Mr. Caunedo and currently leased by Mr. Camilo Lisiardo.**

Mr. Lisiardo habitually tours the field in order to observe the state of his cattle. On June 28, he noticed that his herd was doing well. When he returned on Monday, July 1, he noticed a dead calf in a rather remote section of the field. Its body presented strange mutilations.

IFOR got in touch with Lisardo on July 2 and were immediately taken to the site. On site, they found the carcass of a small calf lying on its left side with its head pointed toward the southeast. They immediately became aware of a clean cut running from its nose to the throat. The lower maxillary and a small portion of the upper maxillary were completely clean, as though the animal had been dead for several months. It was also noticed that its right eye was missing and the orbital cavity was completely empty. Its belly, particularly around the navel, featured a circle almost 4 cm in dameter. Its hindquarters showed signs of predation, but Lisardo, who had seen the animal a day earlier, had detected a well-delineated circle in the anal region with the extirpation of said organ. The presence of the tongue was not detected through the lower maxillary.

IFOR returned to the site on Wednesday the 3rd with veterinarian Hernando Brandino, who made a full examination of the animal, stating that the animals hindquarters had been predated by carrion eaters. After careful observations, posing a few hypotehses and making incisions with a nive, he was able to corroborate the similarity between the existing cuts and the ones made. While he did not altogether discard predator action, he leaned toward the evidence that said incisions could be due to the action of a sharp instrument. He was also alerted by how clean the lower maxillary looked, which would be the case in an animal that been dead for a long time. This find, which can be included in the long list of mutilations recorded in different parts of the country, since it follows the same patterns, cannot be linked to the observation of lights or other anomalous phenomena, since these have not been detected.
Regarding this specific case, we respectfully disagre with the explanation provided by SENASA that names the Common Red-Muzzled Mouse (Oxymycterus rufus) as the cause of thes mutilations for several reasons: among them, should this rodent exist in our area, its population density would be too low to provoke such depredations. On the other hand, there is no evidence that these rodents can make such straight and perfect incisions.

In the case involving this mutilated calf, it is very likely that the incisions were made by an edged instrument. What remains to be answered is who or what did it and to what end.
I. F. O. R.
Juan José Mecchi - Norberto Mollo - Leonardo Mollo
 
 
grant
02:39 / 11.07.02
Really - just when you think it can't get any sillier, it does.

This is positively brilliant... the state government denies that the "flesh-eating" mice even live there. They live in other parts of the country.

Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 10:21 AM
Subject: Argentina: Pampa Government Dismisses SENASA Report on Mutilations


SOURCE: El Diario de la Pampa
DATE: Tuesday, July 9, 2002

AUTHORITIES STATE THAT THE RED-MUZZLED MOUSE DOES NOT EXIST IN LA PAMPA
**Government dismisseses SENASA report on cattle mutilations**

The provincial government dismissed yesterday the official report presented by the National Health and Agroalimentary Quality Service (SENASA) regarding the causes of death and mutilations of dozens of bovines, since the "red-muzzled mouse", the alleged perpetrator of dozens of bovine deaths and mutilations, is not found in La Pampa.

This was made clear by the Minister of Production, Nestor Alcala, who pointed out that the rodents of this species "are unknown to me, nor do I believe they form part of the Pampan fauna."

Veterinarians and agronomist engineers echoed this sentiment. Gustavo Siegenthaler, director of the National Museum of History of La Pampa, noted that "this species has not been found in the surveys we have conducted." From 1986 to 1992, Siegenthaler headed a multidisciplinary team which produced a report entitled "Survey of Vertebrates in the Province of La Pampa."

"We have placed between 70 and 120 traps each night and have never found that species, and it does not appear in the bibliography either," he stated.

The book "Mammals of Argentina" by the Migule Lillo Institute, indicates that the "red-muzzled mouse" lives from Mesopotamia [Trans.Note: name given to the region of Argentina between the Paraná and Uruguay Rivers] to northeastern Buenos Aires province. "It cannot have spread to other areas, because it would have been detected," he explained. "And in the event that they were the authors of the mutilations, it would be assumed that they would be more or less significant populations, thus making them easy to find, which has not happened."

Veterinarian Maria Parturlane said that "the anapathological lesions (on the mutilated cows) cannot be said to have been caused by a mouse." Medical veterinarian Alberto Pariani, Academic Secretary and Professor of the School of Veterinary Medicine at the National Univ. of La Pampa at Pico, after reading the SENASA report, considered that "there are always field mice, but for example, in the cases we found in the field, there were no traces of rodent fecal matter."

Meanwhile it was learned yesterday that a mutilated cow was found in the "San Juan" pasture field near Algarrobo del Agula, owned by Pablo Bravo. Alcala said that "the report these people have put together (meaning SENASA, based on research from Univ. del Centro in Buenos Aires) may be what they saw, but I don't know that it agrees with what is happening in La Pampa or other parts of the country."

The SENASA report states that the mutilated bovines died "due to natural causes" and that subsequent lesions on the hide and organs were caused by predators such as rodents and even foxes in some cases.

The health organization thus attempted to pour cold water on the subejct, but few have believed in this version of the events. Furthermore, the Uruguayan government ruled, on the same day that the report was issued, that mutilations in that country were produced by the German Wasp (yellow jacket).

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Translation (C) 2002. Scott Corrales, Institute of Hispanic Ufology (IHU). Special thanks to Alicia Rossi.

 
 
grant
13:29 / 15.07.02
Not cultists, not flesh-eating mice... it's a MYSTERIOUS CAUSTIC AGENT.

This article is also nice enough to list all the current hypotheses.

Another article in my inbox says that the "caustic agent" theory is getting tested by some university scientists. Oh, and yet another article states that the mutilations have spread to "Colón" - which I *think* means Colombia.

Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 8:35 AM
Subject: Argentina: Government Study Suspects Toxic Presence



SOURCE: "El Diario de la Pampa"
DATE: July 11, 2002


MUTILATED COWS: Government comissioned a study--partially released--suspecting the presence of a toxic agent


Is a report presented by Dr. Marta Paturlanne--a police expert and officer in charge of the Santa Isable precinct of the Ministry of Production's Livestock Extension--suggesting that a narcotic or toxic element was present in some of the animals found out West? Why did the government not publicize this possibility. Nor is it mentioned if these agents may have consequences on humans.

When the first mutilated animals appeared in the Pampan Region, Bernardo Cané--the director of SENASA, said that they were the consequence of "esoteric practices" and finally stated that the incisions were produced by the "red-muzzled mouse".
Days later, the Minister of Production of La Pampa, Nestor Alcala, was kicking the stands: "That type of mouse does not exist in the region," he retorted, responding to a question posed by El Diario. Alcalá made his statement after having seen one of the official reports to which this newspaper later had access.

It is a report presented by Dr. Marta Paturlanne which posits that the lesions were not produced by known animals nor humans, and suggests another possibility: that the animals died upon breathing a toxic or narcotic agent. The report is in two folders with abundant explanations regarding the description of the anatomical/pathological lesions, but possible causes are suggested and photographs included the" La Pastoril Case" and "The Puesto de Sosa Case" in the western region of the province.Both describe the pattern lesions (defined by the Dept. of Pathology of the School of Veterinary Medicine of the National Univ. of La Pampa at General Pico). For example, in the "La Pastoril Case", the doctor describes the following characteristics:

-- the cow is missing facial musculature (jaw and upper molars) and the ocular globe and the left ear.
-- missing its pharynx, larynx, part of the trachea and its tongue.
--one fo the characteristics is the thorough cleaning of the Iodes bone, the bony base of the tongue.
--in the first few days after death, carrion birds shy away from the animal and the characteristic nauseating odors are not present. After the animal decomposes, foxes and other predators approach.
--absence of the mammary gland, perineum and vaginal tract.

Meanwhile--writes Paturlanne--the causes of death are not clear. She supposes that at least three animals died due to having breathed in a "caustic narcotic" or "toxic agent" because "dissection shows that the trachea and hard palate are affected." This would have produced a cessation of cardio-respiratory fucntion. "The mucosae of the hard palate appears mutilated, even carbonized," she writes. In any event, no studies have been made to establish this point. On the other hand, the report points out that the incisions are not produced by carrion animals since these will not approach the carcass. Paturlanne makes no mention of mice, because the report was produced only days before SENASA's report become known. Yesterday, when questioned by El Diario, she said that "we have no mice or ants here--nothing."

The mouse theory is further mistrusted by Gustavo Siegenthaler, Direcotr of the National Museum of History of La Pampa, and Alberto Pariani, academic secretary of the School of Veterinary Medicine.

The experts agree on the following, however:

-the incisions follow a similar pattern: the appear with clean cuts on the ear, eyes, cheek, tongue, vagina, rectum and mammary gland, among others.
-the incisions are made post mortem, since there is no evidence that the animals put up a fight.
-most of the incisions appear between five and ten days after the animals' death. However, at least three cattlemen claim that they appeared from "one day to another" in dead and mutilated animals, according to the School of Veterinary Medicine at Pico.
-the presence of narcotics, or firearm holes, or blows from heavy objects has not been detected.
-poachers were not involved because the incisions are useless (with the exception of the tongue) and there are neither human nor animal tracks).
-abnormal levels of radiation are not found at the mutilation sites, according to the Nuclear Activity Regulatory Authority, which conducted studies in Toay and Santa Rosa.

But who is making the incisions?

The hypotheses regarding the parties responsible for the mutilations are divided: SENASA and the Univ. del Centro de Buenos Aires at Tandil insist that "red-muzzled mice" and foxes were to blame. The Specialized Veterinary Diagnostic Service (SDVE) operationg out the INTA's Experimental Station in Balcarce states that in all cases "the bovines died normally and the extirpations were simply the work of carrion animals.

-Provincial Government agencies dismiss the possibility that the red-muzzled mouse could be to blame, since the species does not inhabit La Pampa.
-Specialists from the Dept. of Pathology of the School of Veterinary Med. of the Natl. Univ. of La Pampa also question the SENASA report.
-The Uruguayan goverment prepared another report, stating that "yellow jackets" are to blame.

From April to the present, 59 mutilated animals have been found in our province, according to police statistics. "The number of cases I am aware of are 46, with one or more animals involved in each event," said Inspector Adolfo Sanchez. The causes are labelled as "damage". For each animal, the average loss is of 300 pesos. "The mutilations do not have a delinquent origin in themselves. Some owners made reports and others didn't, and the Police participated to unravel [the mystery], since it is clear that theft has not been the motive here," added Sanchez.

[....]

Aside from the theories presented by scientists, there are others. The hypotheses and suppositions range from alleged "genetic creations" like the Chupacabras to the presence of Umbanda-type sects, including a corporate plot to take over the properties in the region:

- UFO researcher Fabio Zerpa suggests "alien scientists" are conducting research on the planet. This version is supported by multiple accounts which claim that "strange lights" can be seen in the sky, and the alleged absence of tracks around the mutilated animals.
- Cults: the theory originally proposed by the Buenos Aires police.
- Green Dwarves: there are those who say that a creature known as "the green dwarf" is roaming around the province. Residents claim it is between 50-60 cm. tall, has a large head and ears, large green eyes, two legs and long arms.
- Chupacabras: this creature would be half-bat, half-kangaroo and half Grey-alien and murders cattle. It has been described as about 1.20 m tall, weighing 32 kg. and withn red eyes. It is said to jump or fly toward trees, attacking horses and chickens alike, draining their blood.
-Corporate Conspiracy: some residents believe in a corporate conspiracy aimed at causing fear among the locals to force them to sell their land at low prices.
-Aguara Guazú: a corpulent animal with long hands and legs native to Northern Argentina, but which occupied the banks of the Rio Colorado until the late 19th century. It has been dismissed since it feeds on small animals only.
-CIA: this theory holds that the mutes are the work of the US Government, linked to some kind of research in biological warfare.

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Translation (C) 2002. Scott Corrales, Institute of Hispanic Ufology. Special thanks to Alicia Rossi.
 
 
Sebastian
16:54 / 15.07.02
Thanks Grant, now I feel better. I'll go this weekened to enjoy the country with wife and kids.
 
 
grant
13:58 / 31.07.02
Just so y'all know, this is STILL going on - the death toll (for cows) is over 400 now, and spreading through the country.

Latest (and second reference to water tanks emptying):

Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 8:12 AM
Subject: Argentina: Waterless Tanks and Cows Out Of Place

SOURCE: El Diario de Balcarce (Year 7, No. 357)
DATE: July 28, 2002


WATERLESS TANKS AND COWS OUT OF PLACE

The discovery of a mutilated cow in a field of the "Buena Vista" area is surprising in of itself, but the discovery of waterless tanks and a lemon tree that lost all of its leaves in a single night, and cows sudddenly found in another pen have made this event an unexplainable one.

After the commotion over the mutilated cow had subsided, El Diario spoke to Gustavo Dimuro, a member of the family who owns the field and who takes care of the farm along with his brother, and to Jorge Latorre, a family friend who was present when the animal was discovered on Monday.

Dimuro remarked that last Sunday afternoon he was touring the field and distributing rolls of hay for the cattle to eat, and did not detect any anomalous activity. Since there was no rain on Monday morning, he made the same tour with Latorre and it was then that they found the dead bovine.

Approaching it, they were able to attest that it had been mutilated in the same manner as in the cases which have appeared in the national media. "We found that its entire palate bone was skinned, its tongue was missing and its anus and genitals had been torn off. It was a three to four year old cow, pregnant and in excellent health," Dimuro remarked, adding that when they found the fetus, it was intact. When INTA representatives opened the cadaver, the flesh was in perfect conditions, as though the animal had died only recently.

Unlike other cases that INTA Balcarce had the chance to analyze, on this occasion the death had occured between Sunday afternoon and Monday morning, which enabled them to make a more exhaustive study and
ascertain the cause of the bovine's death.

Latorre explained that the place where the dead animal was found showed no signs of kicking fits before death. "It's as though someone had placed it there. The grass is short and nothing could be seen. [...] It is remarkable that the animal was completely clean.

Although they gave little importance to it at the time, after the discovery, they remembered that only a few days ago the two water tanks in the field had been found completely dry. They refilled them and found that both tanks were still full, showing no signs of leaks anywhere (both tanks have cement floors). Nothing abnormal was detected afterward, causing them to joke that the same was occurring in the mutilated cow cases.

Another notable event occured between last Sunday and Monday. A lemon tree close to the site where the animal was found was completely leafless. This could have been caused by the wind or a powerful frost, but in both cases they were able to ascertain that the remaining plants were intact.

The strange events didn't end there, since to everyone's surprise, there were animals who had changed pasture fields without any explanation. "In a single pasture field I have 200 animals, and I found 3 cows in one pasture and 2 in another, where the heifers are kept. We looked to see if the barbed wire fence had been broken and we found nothing. We can't explain how this happened."

The strange events in the field remain unexplained and while logical conclusions are being sought, and even if the famous [red-muzzled] mice were involved--something that the men profess not to believe in--the strange events that parallel the mutilation, such as the missing water, the dropping of leaves from a single plant and the incredible transfer of animals from one pasture field to another constitute a mystery.
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Translation (C) 2002. Scott Corrales, Institute of Hispanic Ufology. Special thanks to Alicia Rossi.
 
 
Sebastian
14:42 / 31.07.02
Great. Thanks Grant. Remember I live rather close to these places.

Now, before Grant continues to bomb this thread and my nerves with reports, I request, ahem, I demand another round of speculations, any, no matter how far fetched or crazy.

My take today. There is a lot of philosophical musing about the fact that it can not be absolutely proved that animals do not possess advanced language and communication skills, which they may be concealing from humans, and thereby are not in fact conspiring against the entire human race, or at least running their own business. All these occurrences among cattle are their own vengeful adjustments with individuals of their specie discovered to disagree with the ultimate plans of their high chiefs, or who simply rejected particpation in a cult to a particular cow-God. In this job of cleansing rebel and dissident cows, the cow gestapo is being aided by other species (microscopic parasites, bees, mice) who can not avoid to break the behavioral patterns they have agreed to make recognizable to the human race. These other species may or may not be reluctant to participate in these operations.

Votes to this one any???
 
 
the Fool
23:06 / 31.07.02
My take on this, forgotten blood thirsty gods and spirits get bored waiting for sacrifices that don't happen any more. So they trundle down to the fields and go and get their own. Obviously they can't do humans anymore because then they will be tracked down and destroyed.

Except they don't go for hearts do they... that was always a big thing for maya/aztec gods... so there's that theory out the window...
 
 
cusm
16:28 / 01.08.02
I find it signifigant they go only for lips and asses. It appears the hotdog has become a prized dellicacy among the Grey Ones, creating a gold rush market to gather their primary ingredients.
 
 
grant
17:39 / 01.08.02
Just so you know, a bunch of birds were found today in an Argentinian state. Their insides were missing.

Personally, I've always thought the mutes were a way the "aliens" had of studying AND EMULATING the bodies of cows. They're using the beef industry to exo-form the Earth. Methane-rich atmosphere, a few degrees hotter than we're used to, higher levels of CO2. Remember, the Amazonian rain forest supplies a lot of our oxygen and atmospheric protection, and it's being bulldozed for cattle farms.
 
 
Kobol Strom
20:07 / 01.08.02
Why not just steal the DNA from two cows and repopulate the species elsewhere?Why risk coming to Earth night after night?.
Maybe its alien medical students?And just who flies around the universe in a big spinning christmas tree doughnut anyway?Have these guys got no self-respect? Not one single alleged UFO actually looks cool ,have you noticed that?Out of all the different kinds,why has no-one ever reported that it 'looked cool'. ..'yeah it was a bright doughnut and it flew.....we chased this light blue saucer...like a cigar with a light in the middle',I mean come on,are we the only species around with any sense of aesthetics?I mean ,just take a look at the International Space Station,-pure retro-futuristic poetry in motion.
I can't figure this one out at all,to be sincere,I've talked about it to my flatmates and they were all sarcasm too - but its a great enigma.
 
 
Kobol Strom
17:25 / 05.08.02
Uh oh!

BOVINES FOUND IN WATER TANK IN ARGENTINA
SUCO -- El Diario News reports, that on June 28, 2002, very near the border with San Luis Province a well-respected livestock producer found 19 dead animals within an Australian-type water tank. These tanks are steel-sided, sheet metal with a conical cap. Nine of the bovines were dead, according to subsequent medical-veterinarian examinations due to asphyxiation through immersion. The rest were alive, but affected by the low temperatures and were near dead due to freezing. The news was confirmed by police officials of Regional Unit 7, headquartered at Rio Cuarto. What no one can explain is how the 19 animals could have entered the enormous water tank, bearing in mind that they first had to cross an electric drover (sic), then a 1.50 meter tall fence, and finally, "jump" over the tank wall. Later, farmhands found a mutilated cow that had given birth to a calf. The cow was stressed showing burns and precise incisions in different parts of her carcass, as though experts had deftly used a special scalpel. These cases, according Dr. Cumin, have been investigated from the onset by veterinarians from the National University of Rio Cuarto. Ufologists posited the challenging possibility that teleportation occurred moving the 19 animals of large size and weight from their cow pen into the tank. Government authorities who have been blaming red-muzzled mice for the mutilations now must explain how the mice carried the bovines into the tank.


from

http://ufoinfo.com/filer/2002/ff0230.shtml
 
 
Sebastian
20:13 / 05.08.02
Whadda hellsthat sposd to b!?!?

And if the news is from june 28 why do we learn now and through the july 30th filer's-files?

If they were not teleported, then something really big must have moved them.

Anybody has enough place at home for me?
 
 
Stone Mirror
05:27 / 14.08.02
In an unexpected development, the "goat sucker", chupacabra, has been found to be on the government payroll, receiving $42 a month in unemployment benefits. Details here...
 
 
Lionheart
21:02 / 02.09.02
Hmmmm.. I've just thought of a good sceptical explanation. It was inspired by somebody here who made a college/medical students joke.

Maybe the reason that there's no blood on, in, or near the animal is because it wasn't killed where it was found. Maybe somebody took the cow somewhere, maybe even a specially equiped van, cut em up and dumped them where they got the cow.

Then the questions would be: Were there any tire marks near the sites? Did anybody hear or see choppers (helicopters)? And why is this being done?

Why the question: "Did anybody see or hear any helicopters?" should be asked is because that whoever is doing this could be lifting the animals using a helicopter. And some helicopters are almost completly silent so they could only be spotted visually.
 
 
Sebastian
17:18 / 11.09.02
I have just read that Persinger and Lafreniere have data which demonstartes that UFO and other anomalies tend to cluster along earthquake faults with some peaking before earthquakes.

I don't know anything about earthquake faults, and I am not following up on this local matter for the moment, but it is worthy of notice that we had an earthquake on June 18th, 2002, when this thread was atop of the list and I was screaming for someone to give me shelter out of this country fearing a cow might fell on my skull on the way home.

The earthquake apparently started in Chile and was quite observable. Some Buenos Aires colleagues of mine where in teleconference with other colleagues in Santiago, Chile, and they interrupted the conference due to the quake. Somewhat simultaneously we were ordered to evacuate the buildings here in downtown, and people above the tenth floor saw the city's skyline moving up and down as if they were on board of a ship.

Whatever, it sounds nice to me that "the crack between the worlds" may be more objective and concrete than what we usually assume it to be. Anybody has identified a good web resource about Persinger and his analysis?
 
 
grant
01:55 / 24.10.02
Sebastian, lock your doors at night.
Sorry:

> UFO ROUNDUP
> Volume 7, Number 43
> October 22, 2002
> Editor: Joseph Trainor
>
> http://ufoinfo.com/roundup/
>
>
> ARGENTINA PROBES HUMAN
> MUTILATION CASE
>
> Police in Argentina are investigating a
> strange case
> in the city of Cordoba, which some people are
> calling a "human mutilation."
> "An elderly woman was found dead and
> mutilated in
> her dwelling in Cordoba," a city 300 kilometers
> (180 miles) west-northwest of Buenos Aires, the
> national capital, "and the local police are trying to
> establish why two dead dogs were found beside the
> cadaver."
> "According to sources, police personnel
> accompanied by the deceased's nephew, entered the dwelling
> at Calle Amberes No. 8775 (street) in the barrio
> Arguello (neighborhood) to the west of the city of
> Cordoba and
> found the owner, 72-year-old Sra. Sara
> Margarita Priano, dead on the floor."
> "Sources indicated that the (woman's)
> body was missing part of the torso, hip and skull, and
> that two dead dogs lay beside it."
> "The judicial police is seeking to
> establish the time and the cause of death, as well as the
> reason behind the mutilations. Researchers--following the
> directions of the prosecutor's office--are trying to
> ascertain what relationship, if any, exists between" Sra.
> Priano's death and the dogs' deaths.
> Between April and August of 2002,
> according to the Argentinian newspaper El Tribuno, there were 27
> cattle mutilations in the countryside around Cordoba.
> The unusual nature of Sra. Priano's death has
> ufologists in Argentina wondering if it might be the first
> "human mutilation" in that country.
>
> (See the Argentinian newspaper Cronica for October 15, 2002, "A
> macabre discovery: Elderly woman found dead and
> mutilated in Cordoba." Muchas gracias a Scott Corrales y
> Gloria Coluchi para eso caso. E tambem a Ufologia
> Brasileira por o articulo do jornal.)
>
>
 
 
Sebastian
13:01 / 24.10.02
I'll say it only once bub,



Lets get this over with.
 
 
grant
13:54 / 15.04.03
Just in case you thought it was over:

Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 1:46 PM
Subject: [inexplicata] Argentina: Mutilated Animals Found Near Cuchillo Có


INEXPLICATA
The Journal of Hispanic Ufology
April 14, 2003

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------




SOURCE: El Diario de la Pampa
DATE: April 13, 2003

CONCERN GROWS AMONG RANCHERS: Mutilated Animals Found Near Cuchillo Có


Concern spread among some Pampan cattlemen of the Lihuél Calel department, who expressed their fear at the discovery of several repeated animal mutilations in their rural area.

GENERAL ACHA (Agencia) -- Cattlemen from a broad section of the Lihuel Calel department are concerned by the return of cattle mutilations. In an interview with El Diario, a young rancher whose property is located on Provincial Route 13, 60 km west of Cuchillo Có, and who requested anonymity, remarked that two mutilated cows and a calf were found on his property last year, being simlar to the ones which achieved prominence in this and other provinces in 2002. The cattleman noted that there also occurred a case involving the mutilation of a wild boar cub.

Worried by the situation, he stated: "it seems that they've taken against me now, because in 15 days they mutilated six calves, all of them black, plump, weighing between 160 and 220 kg., which were in an open field. The last one was found last Thursday some 500 meters from the street and some 4 kilometers from the house, while I was away in General Acha. The same occurred on Friday with a sheep," he added.

When consulted about the condition in which the animals are found, and the type of mutilation presented, he explained that "some were male and others female, but similar incisions can be found in all of them -- perfectly [even] and cured, as though cauterized. They were missing their tongues, jaws, ears, eyes and hide in a strech from the front (sic) to the start of the chest. The females were missing their udders and the males their testicles." He later noted that "I turned one of these over to remove its ribs, but one of them, which was under the body, was cracked and was "mashed", as though it had experienced a powerful blow."

"I removed two ribs for the dogs, which eat it, but since it was hanging from a hook in the shed, [it emanated] a strong odor of ammonia and sulfur which became unbearable." He explained that his remaining animals grazed far from the mutilated one.

Upon discussing the hypotheses put forth by the local livestock producers, he stated that "some cattlemen do not believe that natural deaths are involved, nor mutilations by carrion animals and much less by the long-muzzled mouse. This is a subject that deserves far deeper study to put an end to it, as it affects us financially. Scientists from a foreign power could be involved, performing the mutilations for analysis. We base this on the fact that some "lights" have been seen over the area during the night."

Finally, he recalled that "a rancher from the area found that cow belonging to another pasture had been deposited on his property. For this reason we request whoever is responsible to look into these events and research them thoroughly."

=====================================
Translation (C) 2003. Scott Corrales, Institute of Hispanic Ufology. Special thanks to Gloria Coluchi.
 
 
FinderWolf
15:26 / 16.04.03
Holy crap. I'm mystified but at the same time despondent that nothing will ever truly be done or come to light about this stuff.
 
 
captain yossarian
16:57 / 13.05.03
did you read THIS??

http://english.pravda.ru/main/2003/01/31/42821.html


it´s the pravda... no small newspaper...
 
  

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