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ONE WEEK OF POSTING LIMITS

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06:44 / 25.06.02

Well that's a very negative view indeed.

07:19 / 25.06.02

i would certainly argue for the limit to go back up to fifteen. that amount is still making me focus much more, but on a day like yesterday - when there was something i felt was really important to discuss - i ran out of posts. it's good to have a limit, at least temporarily, but ten is just a little too low.

We're The Great Old Ones Now

10:21 / 25.06.02

I'd like to suggest that we junk the idea of posting limits until the board is humming a bit more - probably around October when the sun stops shining. It just doesn't make any sense to limit posting when there's not a whole lot of discussion going on anyway.

Regrettable Juvenilia

11:05 / 25.06.02

How about imposing the posting limit only in the Conversation? Is that even technically possible?

12:23 / 25.06.02

See, now this is funny--I wasn't even aware that the posting limits were still in place, since I haven't hit my limit in weeks...

The Natural Way

13:47 / 25.06.02

Imposing the posting limit on the conversation is a terrible idea. The conversation's there for conversation...you don't put a limit on the number of times you can reply to someone during a chat, do you?

I just hate this whole posting limit thing. It takes loads of the fun out of Barbelith. I just feel a bit imposed upoun here.

14:37 / 25.06.02

Oh come on... It's not forever! It's not like I've come around your house and eaten your children.

The Natural Way

14:44 / 25.06.02

No, and on the scale of REAL LIFE problems it's not so bad, but if you want my barbeopinion then, well, the whole thing does my head in....and I didn't ask for it...or agree to it, or anything. And look at you ! You ARE eating my children! My beautiful runsing babies!

Won't someone help my babies! He won't stop, and there goes an arm.........down, down his cavernous gullet!

Less searchable M0rd4nt

19:37 / 25.06.02

Can I say it? Can I say it? Can I say "is Barbelith dying?" pleeeease? Oh, go on, let me, oh you might.

I never get to say it.

19:42 / 25.06.02

Quick! Go make a "Is Barbelith Dying" topic before someone else does!

19:58 / 25.06.02

Mordant, you are so cynical.

I don't think Barbelith is dying...but I have noticed people leaving or posting less. And this has been happening well before the posting limits started.

The Return Of Rothkoid

20:39 / 25.06.02

Another problem I have with the post limits as a whole - apart from the others I've mentioned - is the fact that it's a rolling time period. If it was from, say, 24 hours starting 12am, GMT, then that'd be OK - but the fact that there's never any real way of telling how many posts you've got (or when they'd be freed up, as it appears to be determined on your posting habits of the previous day, which I'm fucked if I can remember.) is really infuriating. Especially when digging through old threads to add germane info...

And is it making a difference anyway?

Oh, and you'll pay, Bodiless. You'll pay.

[shakes fists of steel]

Less searchable M0rd4nt

21:04 / 25.06.02

Quick! Go make a "Is Barbelith Dying" topic before someone else does!

Well, we haven't had one for a few weeks. I like'em. Nothing gets the board buzzing more than a whiny "this place used to be so great when it was The Nexus/18 months back/last year/last month/last Tuesday and now it sucks etc etc" thread. If I can't do an "Is Barbelith Dying™" thread, can I do a "Tcch, it's just like a high-school round here™" thread, or a "Tee hee! It's so funny when You People™ fight-- just like a soap opera! Tee hee!" thread?

21:52 / 25.06.02

Heh. Like Mr Fear, I hadn't even noticed. At one time, the very idea of ten or fifteen-post limits would've crippled me...

09:08 / 26.06.02

Just in case anyone's interested, although people might be (are) posting less, they're not reading any less. We get just as much traffic on barbelith as we used to.

Jack The Bodiless

17:07 / 26.06.02

Is that just because of the posting limit? Or was that the case before you set them up?

And sorry if you saw negativity in my earlier post, but I just think it's a bad idea. I too haven't noticed the posting limit, in case you're wondering.

18:03 / 26.06.02

I was just thinking about what the outcome would be if there was a posting time restriction placed on individual threads (either by the original poster or forum moderators). That's restriction in terms of 'if you've already posted to this thread, you'll have to wait half an hour before you can do so again.' I know it's probably the most stupid idea to have been aired here for quite some time, but couldn't that help raise the bar a little, especially in those threads where people are tempted to go off on one; you're forced to take a time out from any debate and that time could help you to focus your ideas whilst also cooling off. It'd have the same aims as the weekly posting limit, but leave people free to post to as many threads as they wished.

The only reason I mention it is because of something I've just read elsewhere, suggesting that scientific debate in the 16th, 17th etc centuries was probably just as heated as it is now, the only difference being that the impossibility of immediate response to any comment an individual disagreed with imposed a period of time for that individual to frame an intelligent, considered response.

Cut me to ribbons now.

21:26 / 26.06.02

I find the limit to be rather frustrating, particularly as I've just returned to the board after a lengthy absence, and have a lot of topics to catch up on. Also, I like to talk a lot.

I would support a limit of 1 or 2 posts *per topic* per day, though.

--Riff

The Natural Way

08:19 / 27.06.02

THE RUNS OF REASON

No! Arrgh! Bollocks.

Look: not all Fora are there to provide a space for beardy debate. Keep the bloody posting limit for the headshop, the magic, the laboratory and the switchboard if you like, but scrap it for the more frivolous zones: conversation, comics, music, films and TV (I'm not saying we can't all enjoy a good beard over the aforementioned media, but we also like to get silly and chatty about them, so....)

I'm not sure about books. People tend to enjoy a good beard over a book.

Ive just realised....I have no idea if the idea above is possible...sorry.....

STOATIE LIEKS CHOCOLATE MILK

08:39 / 27.06.02

I was gonna post something to this thread saying how I still thought it was a good idea a couple of nights ago, but I'd reached my limit. Boy, was I cross. I stamped my little foot and everything.

Tom- has private messaging gone up/down/stayed the same? Because I know I've been using it more than I used to recently. Just curious...

11:45 / 27.06.02

It's not that bad. Geez, you people are acting like somebody is holding your children for ransom for something. Just stick it out, think of it as a fun little game. "Can I post everything I want to say, without going over my limit"

Private messaging has not been affected as far as I know. This was one of my concerns when the posting limit idea was brough up over in the Conversation.

12:56 / 27.06.02

I would support a limit of 1 or 2 posts *per topic* per day, though

surely that would be the surest way to kill a good debate?

I say lets see how it goes. although Im quite a chatty creature, Ive only reached my limit once, and that was only because it was counting my previous days posts against me.

18:10 / 27.06.02

If I've started a particularly impassioned thread, I like to oversee it and reply to respondents. A posts-per-thread limit of one or two would upset me.

Less searchable M0rd4nt

18:30 / 27.06.02

Yeah-- it's nice to be able to post links to useful info if somebody asks for more details, as often happens.

Regrettable Juvenilia

22:53 / 27.06.02

I take the exact opposite view to Runs - impose quite heavy limits on the Conversation, milder ones on the Spectacle, and none in the 'serious' fora. And none in things like Gathering and Policy, just cos it's impractical.

See how I am a grumpy old man who spoils your fun?

06:53 / 28.06.02

I think I suggested this before, but how about a limit on the amount of topics you can post to, as opposed to a limit on the posts themselves. So instead of using 10 or15 posts on 7 threads, you can have unlimited posts on, say, 5 threads. That way even the roll over won't affect you that much, since you can post on those five threads throughout the 24 hour period.

Besides that, I think the limit on new members is a far greater problem then posting limits.

The Natural Way

08:08 / 28.06.02

I can understand why you might want a tighter posting limit imposed on the Conversation, Fly. I accept that the it's a pretty big draw and all the waffling about bullshit might result in some "leakage" from the more beardy fora. I'll have to mull this one over I suppose, but, in the end, this is really a question of what people think Barbelith is actually for and I suspect, regardless of Tom's ideas about what this place is and where its going (the "Xavier's dream" of the 'lith), there's unlikely to be a general concensus on this matter. Peep's reasons for posting are many and varied and can be as boring as being fed up at work......

Not the Runs, of course....

Sounds cynical, maybe, but I never thought Barbelith was broken in the first place.

09:36 / 28.06.02

Me neither. I don't wildly object to posting limits / restricted membership, but, for the most part, wasn't everything perfectly groovy without them?

The Natural Way

09:47 / 28.06.02

Yes, but I think, for Tom at least, this is a whole looking-to-the-future deal.

10:51 / 28.06.02

Just because it's not broken doesn't necessarily mean that we shouldn't play about with the system a bit. That's all I've been seeing it as, a bit of experimentation.

Less searchable M0rd4nt

12:32 / 28.06.02

Mmm. I happen to belive in a bit of reversible dickering now and again. You never know what sort of effects you're going to get until you've actually tried stuff out. It's not like Barbelith is controlling the cooling systems of a nuclear power plant or anything.

17:13 / 28.06.02

wasn't everything perfectly groovy without them

I could be mistaken, but I think it was all 'groovy' til the bill came in. the more we chat, the more he pays. and now subscriptions are on the downward spiral, seems he needs to seek out alteratives

again, I could be mistaken

20:04 / 28.06.02

A data transfer limit, maybe? Hey Tom, if you want to know hosts who charge by the gig for data transfer, I can put you in touch - I use a "pay-as-you-go" lot myself....

I'd prefer a limit over a longer period myself - say 70 posts a week rather than 10 a day. But I can't say it's been a problem recently. I've not hit my limit apart from on the first day; when it was announced I'd already gone over 15 posts in the last 24 hours.

07:44 / 29.06.02

I have to admit that, apart from that one day, I haven't hit the limit, although I expect I'm getting pretty close. So on reflection it doesn't seem that bad a thing.

The Return Of Rothkoid

18:49 / 30.06.02

bk: I think these restrictions are aimed more at raising the bar, post-wise, rather than being solely about data transfer. IIRC, Cal's redesign trimmed a lot of the excess...

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